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Yea the gameplan seemed very pass heavy tonight. Great season Elder. Hold your heads high. LW is a damn good team. 10-3 with that schedule is excellent. Lost to Moe, Lw, Eds. One of them will win state I would guess.
I thought this team would be pretty mediocre, so 10 wins is a big achievement.Yea the gameplan seemed very pass heavy tonight. Great season Elder. Hold your heads high. LW is a damn good team. 10-3 with that schedule is excellent. Lost to Moe, Lw, Eds. One of them will win state I would guess.
According to the Spectrum broadcast Elder threw the ball 5 times in the 1st half. They were down 20-3 early 3rd Quarter and were averaging minimal yards on the ground, that's including the long run by Schoster in the 1st Quarter.Yea the gameplan seemed very pass heavy tonight. Great season Elder. Hold your heads high. LW is a damn good team. 10-3 with that schedule is excellent. Lost to Moe, Lw, Eds. One of them will win state I would guess.
Interesting you say this.I would’ve liked to seen them run the ball a little more early, especially the opening drive
Run to set up the pass. They still would’ve needed to throw the ball. It’s moronic to think they could’ve just hammered the ball down West’s throat all night.Interesting you say this.
How many other passes ended up as scrambles?According to the Spectrum broadcast Elder threw the ball 5 times in the 1st half. They were down 20-3 early 3rd Quarter and were averaging minimal yards on the ground, that's including the long run by Schoster in the 1st Quarter.
The West DL was stout. And their defensive team speed is elite. I expected Elder to be able to run the ball more effectively and I expected them to stop the run more then they did.
Great season though. I know many people didn't expect a 10-win season or even an 8-win season which they achieved in the regular season. I agree that one of Eds, Moeller or West should win state. Springfield may have something to say about it, but definitely a good bet one of the other 3. Thanks as always to the seniors, good luck in your future endeavors.
Whatever you have to tell yourself.Run to set up the pass. They still would’ve needed to throw the ball
It’s not, it’s about balance. West still had to throw the ball. That said, it looked like there was some miscommunication in the Secondary on some of those plays.Whatever you have to tell yourself.
I've been saying all year that the way to winning is to pound the ball, especially in November. Go figure the team that won ran the ball better.
Now, I couldn't make any games tonight, but Elder had a great season. The few games of theirs I saw this year, they were definitely one of the better Elder teams. Way to represent the West Side!
West wasn't balanced, and neither was Elder.....West ran better. And, no, West didn't have to pass, they scored 1 TD through the air and 2 on the ground. Take away their 1 pass TD and they still win by double digits.It’s not, it’s about balance. West still had to throw the ball. That said, it looked like there was some miscommunication in the Secondary on some of those plays.
They still had to throw to set up those TDs. They hit the Sail/Corner Route more than a few times.West wasn't balanced, and neither was Elder.....West ran better. And, no, West didn't have to pass, they scored 1 TD through the air and 2 on the ground. Take away their 1 pass TD and they still win by double digits.
Colerain was notoriously undisciplined and coughed the ball up a lot under Coombs and Bolden. That's whyThey still had to throw to set up those TDs. They hit the Sail/Corner Route more than a few times.
Again, if you only have to run the ball, why did Colerain, with all those LOADED teams, only win one state title?
Or maybe better teams would stuff the box to take away the Option?Colerain was notoriously undisciplined and coughed the ball up a lot under Coombs and Bolden. That's why
Must be it, all those losses to X in playoffs with 6 in the box or Elder with 7 in the box.Or maybe better teams would stuff the box to take away the Option?
I agree with this.I realize it was an uphill battle for Elder but the offensive play calling made no sense. How is throwing a deep corner route to a 5'9" WR against LW your best option? Why didn't the big TE run any drag routes or seam routes? No creativity with the Elder passing game. Elder gave it a good fight but without some really stupid penalties on LW that game was not that close.
i can tell you x didnt load the box. 3 3 stack all night for the most part. omar not the smartest.Must be it, all those losses to X in playoffs with 6 in the box or Elder with 7 in the box.
Man talk about loading up the box on D.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but they never point up a lot of points in those losses and quite often they had Defenses loaded with D1 talentMust be it, all those losses to X in playoffs with 6 in the box or Elder with 7 in the box.
Man talk about loading up the box on D.
They were able to play their Safety/Adjuster in the box, that made a difference.i can tell you x didnt load the box. 3 3 stack all night for the most part. omar not the smartest.
btw, in case you guys didn't know LW has 4 d1 guys in secondary. its a pretty good advantage at the high school level.
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yes, but not a significant one. JMO. im not arguing with anyone, just stating X didn't break the stack too often.They were able to play their Safety/Adjuster in the box, that made a difference.
That guy was usually their best athlete on Defense.yes, but not a significant one. JMO. im not arguing with anyone, just stating X didn't break the stack too often.
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not going to argue that. x didn't have that guy this year.That guy was usually their best athlete on Defense.
Elder got the most out of their talent and I can give Ramsey credit for also over achieving a bit. But the guy has to be creative with the offense when playing a team like LW. You are not going to win that game being super conservative
I agree. I think the coaching staff did a great job this yr. They had a lot of very good high school players, but not D1 talent like Moe or LW and thats who they ended up losing to.Elder got the most out of their talent and I can give Ramsey credit for also over achieving a bit. But the guy has to be creative with the offense when playing a team like LW. You are not going to win that game being super conservative
They need to figure out how to get more D1 talent at the skill positions into the program. Imagine what this staff could do with just 1-2 elite skill players. I expect Dugan, Schorsch McKenna, Boeing, Arnold, and Cowans to be D1 players. But no RBs or WRs are close to D1 players. Frankly, they don’t have a true every down RB in the program at all. Evan Meier will probably get the bulk of carries next yr, but he’s similar to Flowers, where he’s more of a 3rd Down Back. Trenton Meyer was the JV RB, he has potential, but he’s got to develop. Outside of young Re, none of the WRs have big play potential. There’s some good HS level WRs that have good hands, run good routes and block their a** off, but they don’t scare Defenses.I agree. I think the coaching staff did a great job this yr. They had a lot of very good high school players, but not D1 talent like Moe or LW and thats who they ended up losing to.
I don’t like the defeatist attitude, they were in the state title game 3 yrs ago, so it’s not impossible to compete at the highest level. Why spend all that $ on a new weight room if you’re not serious about competing? Elder isnt going to chase after players, but they’re not going to keep them out of the school. This is why they have to figure out a way to get those kids interested in Elder. It does help more kids from Price Hill are playing for Victory. They should be getting a few good athletes they wouldn’t normally get in the incoming class.Now that the season is over I too am very proud of what these players and coaches accomplished.
I think the better team won last night and our team overall speed was just not competitive enough. And I am not sure if it will be in the future unless the philosophy changes on trying to find a few players each year that are not in the traditional Elder mold. It appears this is the way Elder wants to roll and I will just have to accept it because I will always back the only high school that I want all my grandsons to go to.