Bittner’s bday is in the summer. It’s not uncommon at all to turn 18 in the summer before Sr year.You have always singled out the Bittner and Hambleton Visi teams as kids who are so much older than everyone else. With no proof of course.
"Have I had say a 7th grader that's a couple weeks older than a few of the 8th graders? Yes." So you admit that as being true with a young 8th grader and an older 7th grader, but the reverse can't be true? You can't have an older 8th grader with a younger 7th grader? Of course you can, and it happens all the time.I’ve coached a long time Trey and never had a kid 2 years older than classmates. Have I had say a 7th grader that’s a couple weeks older than a few of the 8th graders? Yes. Is it 5-6 kids per team as you allege? Of course not. Maybe have had it twice in the last 10 years.
Again, the educated elite, how much of an advantage was there when him and 4-5 of his very athletic teammates were the oldest kids on their teams (some even older than this), some by 15 months as compared to the youngest kids in their grade, and 24-27 months older to the youngest kids in the grade below them when/if they combined with other grades. This isn't hard.Bittner’s bday is in the summer. It’s not uncommon at all to turn 18 in the summer before Sr year.
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Case in point, the game wasn't even an hour over, and there's an Elder poster blaming Moe for cheating. Literally proved my point perfectly yet again.It's the same group that acts holier than thou about "recruiting" and "cheating" when they lose to Moeller in any sport.
LOL. Using one poster as an example for an entire fan base. Typical.Case in point, the game wasn't even an hour over, and there's an Elder poster blaming Moe for cheating. Literally proved my point perfectly yet again.
I'll never understand the vast inferiority complex for a successful program the extreme right and left fans have.
Over the years, this fanbase constantly blames refs and other programs cheating because they haven't expanded their recruiting efforts.LOL. Using one poster as an example for an entire fan base. Typical.
And we will never understand your obsession.Case in point, the game wasn't even an hour over, and there's an Elder poster blaming Moe for cheating. Literally proved my point perfectly yet again.
I'll never understand the vast inferiority complex for a successful program the extreme right and left E fans have.
Especially after every other Elder fan on here called him out for being an idiot.LOL. Using one poster as an example for an entire fan base. Typical.
There's nothing I posted that was untrue. They were older and more physically mature kids in grade school. It played out in their dominance on the grade school field. People saw this and thought they were the next coming.What month were you born Trey? I bet it’s like February or March. That would explain why you are so inferior to those of us born in July and August. That 6 months we are older than you really shows.
PsychoSome others over the years that you will also deny, but are pretty much all true:
1) Constant predictions of state champs and D1 athletes coming out of grade school (99% being wrong)
2) Railing on some of the kids that chose Taylor - even though those kids are the ones playing college ball
3) Denying that teams with a large percentage of older kids on their rosters had anything to do with their dominance
4) Denying that the little Panther teams in baseball and basketball are controlled and directed by former players who set up the program for themselves and their buddies to get "the inside track" on making rosters when they get to Elder
5) Denying that recruiting expansion has nothing to do with taking away opportunity from "our kids"
6) Saying that many other programs "Cheat" to get kids even though it's not illegal
7) Saying that Elder has made great strides in diversity and inclusion and that "everyone is welcome" (unless he's a stud athlete that will take roster spots)
Elder has so much real estate in your brain for no reason whatsoever. Some of what you say is for sure true, but the parts that you believe to be true or aren’t widely held thoughts/beliefs…you take those and dramatize them to an insane extent. Why do you care this much about a school you didn’t go to? The 4 GCL schools are all extremely similar, I can promise you that as someone who has connections at all 4. The mentalities, all very similar among the “traditional” or “legacy” students, if you will.Some others over the years that you will also deny, but are pretty much all true:
1) Constant predictions of state champs and D1 athletes coming out of grade school (99% being wrong)
2) Railing on some of the kids that chose Taylor - even though those kids are the ones playing college ball
3) Denying that teams with a large percentage of older kids on their rosters had anything to do with their dominance
4) Denying that the little Panther teams in baseball and basketball are controlled and directed by former players who set up the program for themselves and their buddies to get "the inside track" on making rosters when they get to Elder
5) Denying that recruiting expansion has nothing to do with taking away opportunity from "our kids"
6) Saying that many other programs "Cheat" to get kids even though it's not illegal
7) Saying that Elder has made great strides in diversity and inclusion and that "everyone is welcome" (unless he's a stud athlete that will take roster spots)
I know it is - yet so very hard for people here to come clean with. Why?Some of what you say is for sure true
Not really - just speaking the truth. It's my mission to call out the consistent BS spewed in this thread, led by the ringleader of being wrong - pboy. Literally everything he says the opposite happens.Elder has so much real estate in your brain for no reason whatsoever.
Your mission? What a loser. Find something better to do with your life.Not really - just speaking the truth. It's my mission to call out the consistent BS spewed in this thread, led by the ringleader of being wrong - pboy. Literally everything he says the opposite happens.
I like 90% of Elder people. But damn, those other 10% that play the holier than thou card about "recruiting" and "cheating", and the entitled groups that are sitting in the background setting up things for them and theirs - needs to be called out.
You just like don't someone shining the light on it.Your mission? What a loser. Find something better to do with your life.
Little Panthers don’t have baseball teams.Some others over the years that you will also deny, but are pretty much all true:
1) Constant predictions of state champs and D1 athletes coming out of grade school (99% being wrong)
2) Railing on some of the kids that chose Taylor - even though those kids are the ones playing college ball
3) Denying that teams with a large percentage of older kids on their rosters had anything to do with their dominance
4) Denying that the little Panther teams in baseball and basketball are controlled and directed by former players who set up the program for themselves and their buddies to get "the inside track" on making rosters when they get to Elder
5) Denying that recruiting expansion has nothing to do with taking away opportunity from "our kids"
6) Saying that many other programs "Cheat" to get kids even though it's not illegal
7) Saying that Elder has made great strides in diversity and inclusion and that "everyone is welcome" (unless he's a stud athlete that will take roster spots)
The last time I made a prestigious list like this was the email I got that I won a Lowes snow blower.pboy - disagrees with me just to disagree, but we agree on more things than he will admit
adselder - at least comes with logical arguments and is open to what can be better
JElder, Don Flamenco, cincifbfan, ?????, and FourthandOne - good insight but also not afraid to call them out on things that need to change
And then these guys below who will do whatever they can to hold onto their privileged entitlement and cannot fathom positive change different from what they're used to. The "it's how we've always done it" guys with zero openness for anything new or different.
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I thought baseball used Westars as their "pipeline" into the Elder baseball program. Maybe that's changed.Little Panthers don’t have baseball teams.
As far as basketball goes, wouldn’t you agree that former players would be likely coaches due to knowing the game? Little Panther kids have also been a HUGE help with Elder winning more consistently. One of the 1st LP teams to exist was the Keller Harp Kirch teams. It’s been a great avenue for kids to play ball against dif comp than they see in WBC all season long. And ps, anyone who wants to start a LP team and is willing to coach can make a phone call and get a team together tomorrow.
What he considers us “agreeing” on things, is him copying things I’ve been saying for over a decade. Him attacking the grade school staffs is not one of those things. I appreciate the Feeder system, but there’s usually not enough talent alone to be competitive at a high level. That doesn’t mean the feeder system isn’t valuable. They need that to be the foundation of the program.The last time I made a prestigious list like this was the email I got that I won a Lowes snow blower.
I saw a classmate from Elder share this on FB. Victory brought in some temporary lights for their varsity game yesterday.
Weststars is not an affiliate of Elder at all. Anyone who wants to start a Weststars team is able to. Obviously Little Panthers is a feeder org for Elder just like Little Lancers is for LaSalle. X also has teams that feed for them. These are not AAU orgs that play year round. Tryouts for Panther teams usually start in 7th grade. At the younger levels it’s typically a dad who takes all the time putting a team together and of course it’s done with people that Coach knows. Again, if someone wants their kid playing hoops outside of the grade schools they can start their own team. Some grades have 4 teams playing different levels of comp. This is a great thing considering all these players are getting more minutes and getting training from grade school coach and Panthers coach. By the time 7th grade rolls around there are 10-12 players picked to play for the top team. The kids that don’t make that team can still play for panthers in a league that is better suited for their ability at that time. It keeps them interested in the game and gives them the ability to get better. You are wrong on this topic and obviously not close to the situation and going off silly comments that you have been supposedly told by a few parents.I thought baseball used Westars as their "pipeline" into the Elder baseball program. Maybe that's changed.
And for basketball, I agree and disagree. I agree having past players helps in teaching the game. What I don't agree with is more often than not, it's normally a dad and a buddy who's the assistant, and their others buddies who make up the team. And SOME (not all) of those kids simply are on the team because of associations, not because they're among the best players in the grade. Some grades are worse than others based on how connected the coaches are to the Elder program.
Also, I think it's a great opportunity to get outside kids interested in Elder at an early age. Open up the tryouts to everyone - in fact, they typically don't even have tryouts at the younger grades, it's hand-picked, and when they do have tryouts, it's only for kids that are going to Elder. That's a huge miss imo, and it's done to protect spots for these hand-chosen kids. You won't convince me it's not, as the teams rarely change from who's on the top team vs. who's not, and from who's on the team in grade school vs. who makes the teams in high school.
I'm not going to go back and do an analysis, but the vast majority of kids playing on the 5th grade team end up making the Elder team. That's just not realistic if you're truly assessing talent and improvement and making real roster decisions every year.
Fair enough - just feels a little too "in the family" where past players, their kids and their buddies are getting the bulk of the opportunities. Would be cool to open up the program to some outside talent, but doesn't seem to be in the cards.Weststars is not an affiliate of Elder at all. Anyone who wants to start a Weststars team is able to. Obviously Little Panthers is a feeder org for Elder just like Little Lancers is for LaSalle. X also has teams that feed for them. These are not AAU orgs that play year round. Tryouts for Panther teams usually start in 7th grade. At the younger levels it’s typically a dad who takes all the time putting a team together and of course it’s done with people that Coach knows. Again, if someone wants their kid playing hoops outside of the grade schools they can start their own team. Some grades have 4 teams playing different levels of comp. This is a great thing considering all these players are getting more minutes and getting training from grade school coach and Panthers coach. By the time 7th grade rolls around there are 10-12 players picked to play for the top team. The kids that don’t make that team can still play for panthers in a league that is better suited for their ability at that time. It keeps them interested in the game and gives them the ability to get better. You are wrong on this topic and obviously not close to the situation and going off silly comments that you have been supposedly told by a few parents.
At the younger levels you can have kids that will probably go to X or LaSalle or wherever. Once they hit 7th grade they want kids that are most likely going to Elder. If the kid isn’t sure where he wants to go to school he can still play Panthers. The only kids getting weeded out by this time are kids who are def not going to Elder. Almost always that kid who wants to go to LaSalle or X Will then play for their AAU team or a team that feeds into said school they want to attend.