USMNT Abroad

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Thanks for starting this. I somehow missed Hoppe's move. Excited for him to get another shot at top flight football.

Another recent move of significance is:

CB Erik Palmer loaned from Manchester City in the EPL to Troyes in Ligue 1
 
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OldSoulon said:
I remember hearing that soccer would be the biggest sport in the US for the first time in 1968.
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Even with the highly increasing gay population in the country, it’s never going to be the most popular sport.
 
MLS' growth is unquestionable. It is on solid ground where 20 years ago it was bordering on folding. The guys in charge have done a fantastic job turning that situation around, starting with controlling their own stadiums.

The league recently signed a multi-billion dollar broadcasting rights contract with Apple. That is possibly the biggest sports business story of the year that no one is talking about. The league has now dramatically increased its TV monies - and could signal a coming shift by professional sports into the digital streaming arena.

The focus going forward for the league will be improving its reputation on the field outside of North America. It is still seen as a small time league with, on average, subpar players. The new broadcasting deal will go a long way in addressing that.

Within its region, MLS is incrementally becoming the main league, shifting power away from Mexico's Liga MX, something the Mexicans are not unaware of. In fact, there are rumors that the two leagues will eventually form some kind of merger, united leagues sort of situation - something sort of under way with the Leagues Cup expanding in 2023 to include every team from both leagues. Could be a decade or more out before something official but I do believe it is coming. Gone are the days of LMX turning their noses up at MLS.

My hot take is MLS will overtake the NHL within 20 years. MLB is struggling to capture younger demographics. Football is under assault for head injuries. The NBA is stagnating domestically and is taking a reputational beating over the increasing influence of the Chinese within the league. How these leagues order in popularity in 30-40 years is anyone's guess, but I would put money on MLS being in the Top 3.
 
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I think it's conveniently taken out of context a bit to make a better clickbait headline. He didn't specifically say the United States, but "this part of the world" while talking about an event that also includes Mexico and Canada as hosts.

Soccer has come a long way in the US, but at this point it is nowhere close to where I recall it being pumped up as heading towards as a kid. It's probably at least another 20-30 years away from potentially passing the NHL and I'd probably argue MLB (poor younger demographic audience share), but even then I'd say it will be popularity as a whole and not specifically the domestic MLS league, which in the scheme of global soccer is probably still like an equivalent to high class A minor league baseball. The lesser quality of the domestic league comparative to the best European leagues, even if the product continues to improve, is always going to be a severe impediment for the growth and success of soccer in this country.
 
Living in NYC for the past decade, I've seen first hand what a soccer-crazy city looks like. I have no doubt that as a "sport" soccer will surpass baseball and hockey nationwide within a very short amount of time.

MLS is a whole different story however. I struggle to see exponential growth with its popularity unless major changes occur within its roster/competition structure. I've learned over the years that an overwhelming majority of soccer fans who live outside of MLS markets cannot be bothered with the league.

Even in NYC, I've observed that most soccer fans would rather watch European or Latin American soccer matches at the bar than see their local MLS team in person. The two NY based teams are only averaging 15-18k/match - nowhere near full capacity for either.

I get that the new and improved MLS is built on sustainability but global soccer clubs are only going to market harder in the US and aim to steal the time and money of these fans from the MLS.

I like the combined MLS-LigaMX idea. It could lend itself to some type of promotion-relegation model that would be revolutionary for American sports.
 
As some may know I am in the sports licensing business and while the MLS has not over taken the NHL yet we have seen in the past 3-4 years a nice increase in this business. It is coming from primarily two demographics: 1) Mexican/Central Americans that are starting to identify with their new cities by showing allegiance to their MLS team. What is interesting is they still identify primarily with the home country when it comes to international soccer but they are leaving their home country clubs for a MLS club. 2) Millennial hipsters and young families. This is the money demo too and in 5-10-15 years MLB and the NHL will miss these folks. They are primarily into the culture of the sport, (chants, drums, meeting at a bar before, etc...) and not as much Ws and Ls. They also like the fact that they know when games will end and there is no open ended time limit like baseball, some drawn out OT, or most importantly long TV time outs.

With that being said the TV numbers still really stink and while improving have a long way to go. Also outside of LA the other big metro markets have really not gotten into the MLS. IN particular NYC and Chicago are disappointing with the Pacific NW and mid sized markets with either no or lousy MLB teams being the best supporters with regards to merch.
 
Homegrown development is truly the key for the league taking the next step toward gaining international recognition and respect. It's a double-plus of improved product quality on the field + greater money made from international transfers. A young keeper like Slonina creating a bit of a bidding war had next to no chance of happening 10 years ago.

Pro/rel is a tough sell. The league would have to be popular enough that the second division makes sufficient money.
 
Auggie said:
With that being said the TV numbers still really stink and while improving have a long way to go. Also outside of LA the other big metro markets have really not gotten into the MLS. IN particular NYC and Chicago are disappointing with the Pacific NW and mid sized markets with either no or lousy MLB teams being the best supporters with regards to merch.
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I expect MLS will be a gate driven league for a long time.

NYC has been a tough sell for two reasons. First, NYRB play in Harrison, NJ in an area that's not that easy to get to. I saw the Crew play at Red Bull Arena a number of years ago and it was easily an hour by train out there from Manhattan. And NYCFC plays in a baseball stadium. Second, it's a city full of "Eurosnobs" - soccer fans who scoff at MLS. It's a problem that hasn't worked itself out the way it has with Mexican fans in California.

Chicago has been an even bigger clusterbuck. They are the first and only club to abandon their stadium to return to their former NFL digs. If I were a billionaire looking to get into MLS, a second club in Chicago might be my move with the Fire apparently being run by a bunch of guys going hard into the melort.

Still, the biggest market failure has to be FC Dallas. They were part of a short-lived wave of teams to do an exurb stadium build, and virtually all of those have proven to be a failure. MLS has since, officially unofficially, pushed for stadiums to be close to the urban center near public transit (they definitely "know their audience"). But there is really no excuse for a team in the Metroplex not selling out 30,000 seats a night, easy. Other than they built the stadium in Frisco.

A new stadium can do wonders if done correctly. Columbus is proof of that. They struggled to get 15,000 into Crew Stadium on a beautiful summer evening. Now they're bringing in 19,000 per. One should expect the other second generation soccer stadiums to be another huge boon for the league.
 
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Marcus Aurelius said:
Tyler Adams joins Leeds United in the Prem. Reunites with Jesse Marsch.

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U.S. midfielder Adams signs for Leeds United

United States midfielder Tyler Adams has signed for Leeds United from RB Leipzig, it was announced.
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It's an exciting time for those who want to see more American representation in the EPL.

This year we'll have:

Brendan Aaronson (Leeds)
Tyler Adams (Leeds)
Christian Pulisic (Chelsea)
Tim Ream (Fulham)
Antonee Robinson (Fulham)
Matt Turner (Arsenal)

Then you'll have guys like Zack Steffen and Ethan Horvath on loan from Prem clubs in the Championship and a number of other players competing in the 2nd tier as well (Dike w/ West Brom, Sargent w/ Norwich, Holmes w/ Huddersfield, Gooch w/ Sunderland).
 
Current and some former Chelsea players seem to lobbying Pulisic to stay. We'll see. He and Sterling would be a tough pair.
 
Marcus Aurelius said:
I expect MLS will be a gate driven league for a long time.

NYC has been a tough sell for two reasons. First, NYRB play in Harrison, NJ in an area that's not that easy to get to. I saw the Crew play at Red Bull Arena a number of years ago and it was easily an hour by train out there from Manhattan. And NYCFC plays in a baseball stadium. Second, it's a city full of "Eurosnobs" - soccer fans who scoff at MLS. It's a problem that hasn't worked itself out the way it has with Mexican fans in California.

Chicago has been an even bigger clusterbuck. They are the first and only club to abandon their stadium to return to their former NFL digs. If I were a billionaire looking to get into MLS, a second club in Chicago might be my move with the Fire apparently being run by a bunch of guys going hard into the melort.

Still, the biggest market failure has to be FC Dallas. They were part of a short-lived wave of teams to do an exurb stadium build, and virtually all of those have proven to be a failure. MLS has since, officially unofficially, pushed for stadiums to be close to the urban center near public transit (they definitely "know their audience"). But there is really no excuse for a team in the Metroplex not selling out 30,000 seats a night, easy. Other than they built the stadium in Frisco.

A new stadium can do wonders if done correctly. Columbus is proof of that. They struggled to get 15,000 into Crew Stadium on a beautiful summer evening. Now they're bringing in 19,000 per. One should expect the other second generation soccer stadiums to be another huge boon for the league.
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There is also some longstanding beef between NY-NJ soccer fans and NYRB going back to their days as the Metrostars. Just an all around messy situation there that doesn't seem to get any better.
 
Matthew Hoppe to join Zach Steffen in Middlesbrough on $3.6m transfer. Would be nice for him to work his way back into World Cup squad contention, he has a pretty unique skillset and has a knack for sh!thousery. May be difficult for him to do in the Championship but his versatility could help him out, assuming he gets to showcase himself.
 
Chelsea are still apparently shopping Pulisic. Latest is they're after a player swap with AS Roma for Nicolo Zaniolo. Would definitely not prefer that move for Pulisic. Italy seems to be a rough place for skill players to shine.
 
I know the Gold Cup doesn't really mean that much but that was one exciting USA/Canada match last night.
 
vamp2syd said:
I know the Gold Cup doesn't really mean that much but that was one exciting USA/Canada match last night.
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I guess it was fun but to me this was like watching a JV game where guys were trying to make a name for themselves with wayyyy too many dumb mistakes. That one stick for a center back for USA looked as bad as any defender I have seen in a while, let's pass the ball past the goal line so the other side gets a corner?!? Canada wasn't any better with a bunch of guys just running around fouling because they were a step behind. I would not be shocked if Mexico wins this thing because they need it more than any other country left.
 
Auggie said:
I guess it was fun but to me this was like watching a JV game where guys were trying to make a name for themselves with wayyyy too many dumb mistakes. That one stick for a center back for USA looked as bad as any defender I have seen in a while, let's pass the ball past the goal line so the other side gets a corner?!? Canada wasn't any better with a bunch of guys just running around fouling because they were a step behind. I would not be shocked if Mexico wins this thing because they need it more than any other country left.
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I agree - exciting game, but poorly played overall.
 
Not sure if this is a good place to talk about the USWNT but since I saw nothing on the girls soccer forum I would at least call out that this 2024 team looks like a disaster. Manager is going to take the brunt of the criticism, probably because he is a guy, but from what I have seen in a small sampling the players look lost and have no focus. Waiting now for mental health to be the secondary excuse and how the rest of the world is catching up. The bottom line is we have the legal & social culture that other countries do not that forces equality of the sexes; females in most other countries just dream of this situation so we should dominate this tourney. On to Sweden and I am guessing they put these ladies out of their misery in the round of 16.
 
I can't wait until somebody slaps wigs on a boy's U15 team, calls them women, and they enter this tournament and bring home the hardware.

Now THAT I will watch.
 
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