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Old 09-02-12, 08:30 AM
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Big Red--wow!!!!

Just read the plain dealers expose' about the ongoing problems in Steubenville----this sounds like a real mess. Also sounds like more than just the two kids charged might have some exposure....what a shame.
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Old 09-02-12, 08:31 AM
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Just read the plain dealers expose' about the ongoing problems in Steubenville----this sounds like a real mess. Also sounds like more than just the two kids charged might have some exposure....what a shame.
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Old 09-02-12, 08:32 AM
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http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index...ootball_t.html
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Old 09-02-12, 08:41 AM
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Terrible thing. IF a crime was indeed committed, then those involved should be brought to justice, swiftly and with prejudice. What they're talking about in the article is heinous and disgusting.

BUT... let's not miss this in the following discussion: This is NOT an indictment of Coach Reno Soccaccio or his staff, or the program. Everything you hear about the coach is that he is a fine man with a long-term great dedication to the success of the young men in his charge, on AND off the field. IF one or more of them did commit this terrible thing... that should NOT be an held in any way against the coach or the staff or the school or the community at large.

Based on that, I think calling this thread "Big Red - wow!!!" is EXTREMLY INAPPROPRIATE and UNFAIR.
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Old 09-02-12, 09:03 AM
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Inapporpriate and Unfair??

"heinous and disgusting"

What should I have called the thread? What "team" is embroiled in this mess?

Did I make any statements about the coach (who by all accounts is a stand up guy?).

Did I make statements about the community (pretty much all of them who have nothing to do with this "heinous and disgusting" crime?) Although the detective investigating states that he wishes more "with information" (because lots of tweets, cell phone messages, etc seem to have contained info. regarding the incident--but have since those folks have tried to erase all of it, etc.) would come forward to help sort it out.....

Read the article and let folks judge for themselves---

P.S. many said the same/similar things regarding Joe P., the Penn State football "culture", etc. when the "news" about his former assistant coach first appeared.......all indications that I'm aware of (but I donot know the Stuebenville coach personally) are that this coach is a great mentor, etc. like you stated.
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Old 09-02-12, 09:09 AM
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What should I have called the thread? What "team" is embroiled in this mess?
None. The fact that those allegedly involved is on the team is incidental. If they had the same employer, we wouldn't be on here titling the thread something like "Wal-Mart - wow!!!"

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Did I make any statements about the coach (who by all accounts is a stand up guy?).
Never said you did... but based on my experience on this board, SOME WILL.
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Old 09-02-12, 09:19 AM
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IF one or more of them did commit this terrible thing... that should NOT be an held in any way against the coach or the staff or the school or the community at large.
One no, but if half the school, or community, knew or knows something, and said or says nothing, I would hold it against them in some way.

This is so far beyond the pale of a kid screwing up. That happens at every school.

I hold Reno and Big Red football in higher regard than any program in Ohio besides my own. In this town in this particular case he might be the only one, or at least best one, to aid the investigation IMHO. Similar to another legend and we know how that ended.
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Old 09-02-12, 09:31 AM
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Check the Puddle where Big Red people tend to hang out. There's a 40+ page thread on this incident that has generated nearly 80,000 views in about 10 days. Much more information there.
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Old 09-02-12, 09:34 AM
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If you call the report that part of the crime---an evening of sexual assualts/rapes of a girl who had allegedly been drugged and possibly taken from one house to another (including the allegations that some of the "activites" occurred at the home of one of the "big red football coaches" by some current/former big red football players and other big red athletes----INCIDENTAL") than you either didn't read THIS article, and the accompanying blog , are a huge fan of big red or this coach---or just plain "don't get it!!"

I'm sure this will all get sorted out---hopefully the "guilty" juveniles and adults (if any) will be appropriately punished. Just sounds like more people/students could be helping to investigate the incident(s)-----and aren't.
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Old 09-02-12, 09:37 AM
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BUT... let's not miss this in the following discussion: This is NOT an indictment of Coach Reno Soccaccio or his staff, or the program. Everything you hear about the coach is that he is a fine man with a long-term great dedication to the success of the young men in his charge, on AND off the field. IF one or more of them did commit this terrible thing... that should NOT be an held in any way against the coach or the staff or the school or the community at large.
That has been his reputation to date, and I have no personal knowledge that this reputation has not been rightfully earned. That said, the notion that he doesn't know all of his players that were involved at any level in this situation can only be true if he's made the choice to actively not know. That is bothersome.
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Old 09-02-12, 09:52 AM
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Terrible thing. IF a crime was indeed committed, then those involved should be brought to justice, swiftly and with prejudice. What they're talking about in the article is heinous and disgusting.

BUT... let's not miss this in the following discussion: This is NOT an indictment of Coach Reno Soccaccio or his staff, or the program. Everything you hear about the coach is that he is a fine man with a long-term great dedication to the success of the young men in his charge, on AND off the field. IF one or more of them did commit this terrible thing... that should NOT be an held in any way against the coach or the staff or the school or the community at large.

Based on that, I think calling this thread "Big Red - wow!!!" is EXTREMLY INAPPROPRIATE and UNFAIR.
Apparently, discussions about how you treat young women was not part of the off the field mentoring and coaching. It's apparently OK for football players to share their off the field "achievements" through social media. Pretty darn disgusting. Bravado and community-wide silence tells us alot.
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Old 09-02-12, 10:00 AM
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The original tweets are on prinniefied.com. Read them and try not to vomit.
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Old 09-02-12, 10:35 AM
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Just starting to read this article. Front page...first sentence...reference to an upcoming game with the Benedictine TIGERS. The demise of the American newspaper...
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Old 09-02-12, 11:02 AM
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Reading the tweets, and reading the articles... When the parents of the girl were concerned when she came home... The frightening part is they should be thankful she made it home at all. The way these kids acted and treated the situation, it just says to me that they didn't care if she lived or died.
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Old 09-02-12, 12:50 PM
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Apparently, discussions about how you treat young women was not part of the off the field mentoring and coaching. It's apparently OK for football players to share their off the field "achievements" through social media. Pretty darn disgusting. Bravado and community-wide silence tells us alot.
Morality is decided by individuals/players, not coaches. Disciplining is decided by the coaches who do things really stupid like this. The actions of the players do not reflect Reno. What the kids did was really stupid, and it might cost them a state title this year.
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Old 09-02-12, 01:02 PM
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This is huge and many people outside of the area and program are getting involved. There are eyes from everywhere not only watching but investigating this. Law enforcement has many tools today that these dumb kids did not realize existed. These "social" media websites are not anonymous when subpoena's start getting doled out. Much to the dismay of "Fred Walsh" and others like him, this will not be handled like many other things in local communities have been handled for a long time. If a crime was committed it will be found out and when law enforcement start talking years in jail people will crumble and start worrying more about saving thier own azzes and sing like canaries. I do not know Reno nor does the casual fan. As unfair as any comparison may be, people thought they knew Joe Paterno also. But history also says not to rush to judgement and let the case work itself out. Remember the Duke lacrosse kids? Or the time the girl from the Bronx had Sharpton and company ready to incite riots over the heinous things that happened to the Brawley girl? So I am not willing at this point to be the judge, jury and executioner but if it happened, buckle up. It is going to come out and one way or the other, someone or many are going to answer for it.
Another thing that caught my eye was a drinking party with kids at a coaches house?? What is going on??
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Old 09-02-12, 01:39 PM
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This is huge and many people outside of the area and program are getting involved. There are eyes from everywhere not only watching but investigating this. Law enforcement has many tools today that these dumb kids did not realize existed. These "social" media websites are not anonymous when subpoena's start getting doled out. Much to the dismay of "Fred Walsh" and others like him, this will not be handled like many other things in local communities have been handled for a long time. If a crime was committed it will be found out and when law enforcement start talking years in jail people will crumble and start worrying more about saving thier own azzes and sing like canaries. I do not know Reno nor does the casual fan. As unfair as any comparison may be, people thought they knew Joe Paterno also. But history also says not to rush to judgement and let the case work itself out. Remember the Duke lacrosse kids? Or the time the girl from the Bronx had Sharpton and company ready to incite riots over the heinous things that happened to the Brawley girl? So I am not willing at this point to be the judge, jury and executioner but if it happened, buckle up. It is going to come out and one way or the other, someone or many are going to answer for it.
Another thing that caught my eye was a drinking party with kids at a coaches house?? What is going on??
Great post. The social media nonsense should be enough to bench some of the players for at least 1 game. I am disappointed in Coach Reno at this point.
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Old 09-02-12, 01:56 PM
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He's dressing two players who forwarded and posted a YouTube video that is now evidence in a rape case. The only other program in the state where these two would still be in uniform is Kenton.
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Old 09-02-12, 01:57 PM
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Woody, you are correct about those former rape cases, but this isn't going to be a he said/she said type of case. It looks more like a they did....then posted pics, videos, tweets case. I feel for the victim and good people that reside in Steubenville.....this story is going to blow up nationally.
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Old 09-02-12, 02:00 PM
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First all props to Reno for what he has accomplished in his life.
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Now, you want me to believe that either he, his assts, teachers, the principal, school board members, trainers, other players have NO inkling of what happened here?

BS
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Old 09-02-12, 02:01 PM
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He's dressing two players who forwarded and posted a YouTube video that is now evidence in a rape case. The only other program in the state where these two would still be in uniform is Kenton.
I've read your commentary on the other site....You have quite the over this whole situation, don't you? Almost seems to make you happy it happened.
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Old 09-02-12, 02:11 PM
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I've read your commentary on the other site....You have quite the over this whole situation, don't you? Almost seems to make you happy it happened.
Yeah. That's it, sport.

You're right though...they'd probably dress for you guys too.
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Old 09-02-12, 02:16 PM
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Mr Walsh nailed it on the head when he said to the reporter that the parents are not in charge anymore! Most parents today want to be the "cool parent" or their kids best buddie instead of a role model or disciplinary. When I screwed up at school or anywhere else I wasn't afraid of the principal or police I was petrified walking in the door and my dad blasting me with both barrels. If all this is true these little punks should be sent away for a long time!
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Old 09-02-12, 02:32 PM
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Some of the student athletes associated with the investigation were on the field during the victory over Benedictine this past Friday night, assuming the PD article is accurate. That amazes me.
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Old 09-02-12, 02:33 PM
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The situation is very sad, but do you think that Steubenville will be forced to forfeit their first two games that they won because of this? I mean if more football players are arrested in connection to this, do you think the OHSAA may step in?
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Old 09-02-12, 02:50 PM
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I doubt that they will have to forfeit any games, they have not been found guilty yet. It may also depend on when they were arrested and charged before or after these games were played. I find it amazing that the Steubenville BOE and coaching staff let them play if in fact they did play. I would not let these people involved anywhere near the program or school. Ask anyone from Penn State if they would do thing differently!
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I don't think that would be a violation of OHSAA rules.
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Old 09-02-12, 03:55 PM
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I don't think that would be a violation of OHSAA rules.
I'm sure the ohsaa has a morality and standards of conduct clause much like what the NCAA used to punish penn state.
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I'm sure the ohsaa has a morality and standards of conduct clause much like what the NCAA used to punish penn state.
OHSAA defers to the school system...

http://www.ohsaa.org/general/about/Bylaws.pdf

OHSAA bylaws.

Bylaw 4. Section 5. Conduct, Character, Discipline
4-5-1 In matters pertaining to personal conduct in which athletic contests and their related activities
are not involved, the school itself is to be the sole judge as to whether the student may participate
in athletics.

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Old 09-02-12, 05:02 PM
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One might reasonably assume that the participation standard in Steubenville is simple: you can play if you're not in jail.

This isn't the first time players have suited up while in apparent violation of a Code of Conduct; it won't be the last. It happens at any number of schools. However, those misdeeds rarely rise to the level of complicity in or witness to rape and/or the dissemination of pornography.

Reno might do well to remember how quickly Paterno's reputation was shattered.
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