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Old 08-30-17, 01:25 PM
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I mean the best defense is a good offense right
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Old 08-30-17, 02:37 PM
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That was kicked around at one point, I don't think that would be a good use of the best player on your team. For one, you'd want the batter or two ahead and behind Joey to get better pitches because of the chance to pitch around him. Putting him in the leadoff would be a waste because the pitcher would hit before him after the first inning.
Now, if you went with the old Cardinal way of hitting Hamilton 9th, pitcher 8th and leading off Votto, that may have some merit. My guess with Votto's power numbers, I'd just keep him in the 3 hole for the next 5 years.
Worth trying it out. Team is going nowhere fast this year. Granted it's only 2 sports, but it likely allows Votto more ABs. Your way of thinking is very prehistoric, Joe Maddon has used Schwarber in the leadoff spot and Rizzo in the leadoff spot. If he managed the Reds, I wonder where he'd hit Votto?
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Old 08-30-17, 07:05 PM
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Did anyone see the interview where Dick Williams said the Reds would have payroll flexibility to add a front line starter and that the Reds would be willing to trade assets (prospects or MLB players) for a Bona fide controllable starter?

He also stated the everyday 8 is ready to compete next season so it us up to him and ownership to put together a rotation to compete.
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Old 08-30-17, 07:52 PM
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Well, here's the story so that everyone can read what he actually said:

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/spor...ter/609788001/
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Old 08-30-17, 08:09 PM
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Well, here's the story so that everyone can read what he actually said:

http://www.cincinnati.com/story/spor...ter/609788001/
Thank you Steve. I had not seen it. I was reiterating what someone else had told me.
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Old 08-30-17, 08:17 PM
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They'll need to trade for 2-3 legit starters to make a difference.
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Old 08-30-17, 09:30 PM
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Old 08-30-17, 10:56 PM
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Homer went a good 6 innings tonight, 2 runs and most important, no injuries. Looks like the setback from the last outing was a false alarm.
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Old 08-31-17, 06:19 AM
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Did anyone see the interview where Dick Williams said the Reds would have payroll flexibility to add a front line starter and that the Reds would be willing to trade assets (prospects or MLB players) for a Bona fide controllable starter?

He also stated the everyday 8 is ready to compete next season so it us up to him and ownership to put together a rotation to compete.
I'll believe it when I see it. Outside Choo I can't think of a big name FA signing in recent memory. I'll give them credit for going out and getting Latos who at the time was a very good #2, but they just don't seem to go out and get big names.
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Old 08-31-17, 07:11 AM
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That interview didn't sound very promising on payroll expansion anyway. Suarez is a nice asset, but I'm not sure he brings such a valuable return as a controllable starting arm. The Reds are in a very tough spot to contend anytime soon. A return to semi-respectable mediocrity is probably the ceiling with their current situation, unless they strike lightening in a bottle a couple times.
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That was kicked around at one point, I don't think that would be a good use of the best player on your team. For one, you'd want the batter or two ahead and behind Joey to get better pitches because of the chance to pitch around him. Putting him in the leadoff would be a waste because the pitcher would hit before him after the first inning.
Now, if you went with the old Cardinal way of hitting Hamilton 9th, pitcher 8th and leading off Votto, that may have some merit. My guess with Votto's power numbers, I'd just keep him in the 3 hole for the next 5 years.
So you are in favor of Votto getting 40 fewer plate appearances each season than Billy? That's the drop off from leadoff to batting 3rd. "Pre-historic thinking" was the correct phrase used above.
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So you are in favor of Votto getting 40 fewer plate appearances each season than Billy? That's the drop off from leadoff to batting 3rd. "Pre-historic thinking" was the correct phrase used above.
A lineup based on OBP would look like:
1B Votto
SS Cozart
3B Suarez
C Barnhart
2B Gennett
RF Schebler
LF Duvall
CF Hamilton
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Do you think this lineup would be more effective?
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That interview didn't sound very promising on payroll expansion anyway. Suarez is a nice asset, but I'm not sure he brings such a valuable return as a controllable starting arm. The Reds are in a very tough spot to contend anytime soon. A return to semi-respectable mediocrity is probably the ceiling with their current situation, unless they strike lightening in a bottle a couple times.
That "lightning in a bottle" might be Matt Harvey. The Mets might outright release him this off season or try to trade him. He'll probably make around $6 million next year in his final arbitration year. He has been injured and terrible the last 2 seasons. The Mets might pay him in hopes he rebounds to his old form and brings a small return at the deadline. However, the Mets have been dumping payroll like crazy with no intention of competing in the next couple of years. There's a decent chance they just let him walk.
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Old 08-31-17, 12:10 PM
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They'd need more than Harvey back to his ace-self (very unlikely) to be more than mediocre.
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Old 09-01-17, 06:49 AM
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Well looks like Brandon will be going to the angels.

While Verlander deal was wild, first a veto then it happens
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Old 09-01-17, 07:22 AM
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A lineup based on OBP would look like:
1B Votto
SS Cozart
3B Suarez
C Barnhart
2B Gennett
RF Schebler
LF Duvall
CF Hamilton
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Do you think this lineup would be more effective?
Somewhat, but to use those 8 I would go:
1B Votto
SS Cozart
RF Schebler
LF Duvall
3B Suarez
2B Gennett
C Barnhart
CF Hamilton
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I want my big bats to have the chance to swing with Votto on base.
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Old 09-01-17, 02:38 PM
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Somewhat, but to use those 8 I would go:
1B Votto
SS Cozart
RF Schebler
LF Duvall
3B Suarez
2B Gennett
C Barnhart
CF Hamilton
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I want my big bats to have the chance to swing with Votto on base.
That's a lineup I would like to see. I would bench Hamilton in favor of Winker though and use Billy to pinch run late in games.
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Old 09-02-17, 12:17 AM
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The lineup I would like to see would have the Reds best OBP guys (other than Votto) hitting in front of Votto. Not only is Votto the Reds best hitter, but he's by far the best hitter with RISP (.357 BA).

Adam Duvall is getting the most ABs with RISP, but he's not doing a very good job at getting the runners in. In about 140 ABs with RISP, he's only hitting .243/.291/.436 with 53 RBIs. Duvall has struck out in about 30% of those ABs, obviously giving no chance of a run scoring. It's disappointing that Votto has been on base 257 times via a hit or walk and only scored 91 runs. Obviously that's not all on Duvall, but part of it is his lack of production with runners on.

You can even consider batting Suarez towards the top of the lineup with Cozart. Not only is Suarez hitting for decent average and power this year, but he's 6th in the NL in walks. Put two guys with high OBPs at the top of the lineup and let Votto hit them in. If you want Hamilton in CF, bat him 9th.
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Old 09-02-17, 07:29 AM
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Somewhat, but to use those 8 I would go:
1B Votto
SS Cozart
RF Schebler
LF Duvall
3B Suarez
2B Gennett
C Barnhart
CF Hamilton
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I want my big bats to have the chance to swing with Votto on base.
I'd never bat Schebler 3rd. I'd switch him with either Suarez or Gennett.
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Old 09-02-17, 07:30 AM
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The lineup I would like to see would have the Reds best OBP guys (other than Votto) hitting in front of Votto. Not only is Votto the Reds best hitter, but he's by far the best hitter with RISP (.357 BA).

Adam Duvall is getting the most ABs with RISP, but he's not doing a very good job at getting the runners in. In about 140 ABs with RISP, he's only hitting .243/.291/.436 with 53 RBIs. Duvall has struck out in about 30% of those ABs, obviously giving no chance of a run scoring. It's disappointing that Votto has been on base 257 times via a hit or walk and only scored 91 runs. Obviously that's not all on Duvall, but part of it is his lack of production with runners on.

You can even consider batting Suarez towards the top of the lineup with Cozart. Not only is Suarez hitting for decent average and power this year, but he's 6th in the NL in walks. Put two guys with high OBPs at the top of the lineup and let Votto hit them in. If you want Hamilton in CF, bat him 9th.
I pretty much agree with this entire post.
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Old 09-02-17, 11:58 PM
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So you are in favor of Votto getting 40 fewer plate appearances each season than Billy? That's the drop off from leadoff to batting 3rd. "Pre-historic thinking" was the correct phrase used above.
No team/ or very few teams/ put their best hitter, especially a power bat, in the leadoff spot. Stop being silly.
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Old 09-03-17, 12:00 AM
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6 innings 0 runs for Tyler Mahle tonight vs. the Pirates. The kids are starting to come around.
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Old 09-03-17, 02:28 PM
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Old 09-04-17, 03:18 PM
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Turned on the game just in time to see Hamilton's walk-off.
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Old 09-04-17, 07:21 PM
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Another good start for Homer today. Lorenzen has not been very good the 2nd half. Good to see Billy get the walk off!
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Old 09-04-17, 07:44 PM
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Another good start for Homer today. Lorenzen has not been very good the 2nd half. Good to see Billy get the walk off!
14red thinks the Reds relievers should all be like Andrew Miller. Lorenzen is under contract, cheap, and is a staple in this bullpen whether you like it or not!
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Old 09-04-17, 07:45 PM
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It's good to see. It's why we all watch the game.
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Old 09-04-17, 08:32 PM
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14red thinks the Reds relievers should all be like Andrew Miller. Lorenzen is under contract, cheap, and is a staple in this bullpen whether you like it or not!
Lorenzen's ERA the 2nd half is over 6. Not exactly what you want in the backend of the bullpen.
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