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Old 05-15-18, 08:19 AM
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I was going to say, I never bet bc I didn’t want to associate with shady people. Now, you’ll probably be able to place live bets on your phone. The industry is going to explode very quickly.
You can already do that though.
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Old 05-15-18, 08:50 AM
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Yes and no. It will rise for sure but the money will mostly be from idiot degens and not serious big time gamblers. Their money will stay overseas in online accts. Casinos cant match rebates, promos, odds, tax breaks, juice etc that online companies can. They actually cater to the player, foreign concept here. Casinos have much bigger overhead and with juice likely rising, smart money from syndicates will remain overseas

If you read the article I posted from Bloomberg about that gambler in Hong Kong, that is where I believe the big syndicates will move towards. Real time, live betting on scenarios that can be stats driven. We already see it in parimutuel wagering like fantasy sports and horse racing. These syndicates have their algorithms and they really just take advantage of us little guy, dumb gamblers. If people really knew how they have no shot against these syndicates on sites like draft kings they would never play it. I think the syndicates will remain in parimutuels heavily and also get involved in real time,scenario betting. That is where they have the biggest edge imo.

They have a huge edge in parimutuel wagering vs wagering against the house.

Honestly with juice and other expenses quickly lining up I am not sure how profitable it will be for either side. In the long run changes will have to be made to adapt to this. If they dont, over the course of time, I dont think it will be as profitable as many think. Yes it will make money, we will see a boom in bets placed from dumb money, and it will be a huge business (like it already is). There is reason for some skepticism from a gamblers perspective




Been following this pretty closely for a couple years now bc a race track was the main driving force behind this. Monmouth Park in two weeks will already have a sportsbook. Hats off to them and other people in the racing biz for making this possible
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Old 05-15-18, 08:58 AM
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Saw people on twitter say it is crazy to think bookies wont be around in 10 years. I think bookies will see this as a good thing. There will always be a market for people who want to bet on credit. They also will have a competitive advantage over most sportsbooks. They wont be affected by the potential integrity fee am d tax regulations etc.

Also not every state will get behind this, like Texas
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Old 05-15-18, 09:01 AM
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To be clear I am not OBCFing/Nokiaing/BigShorting the gambling industry. Just pointin out a few things they will have to overcome from a gamblers perspective. (Mainly focused on big time whale money) juice and higher expenses dont matter to the common weekend warrior. They will place bets no matter what.
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Old 05-15-18, 09:20 AM
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Be interesting to see if the Indian Casinos will get favorable legislation in certain states like New Mexico that will give them better tax rates or even a potential monopoly for a few years.

I wonder what the start up is for making an operating software online to take bets?

Also hearing some states (bc of casino lobbyists) want it to be brick and mortar gambling (not online, in person) for a few years to give casinos and race tracks a leg up in competing and driving up attendance . Would be stupid imo.
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Old 05-15-18, 09:42 AM
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Anything else you want to add, Turpin?
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Old 05-15-18, 09:57 AM
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How long before sports organizations demand a cut from betting parlors/sportsbooks/online. How much will that cut be? How will it affect the "juice". Gonna see sports gambling potentially take a hit as far as fair odds.
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I see this as a huge positive for horse racing
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CDI up around 6% today.

They have a presence nationally but the big ticket, Churchill Downs is in Kentucky, and Bevin said he won't pass legislation support sports books.

Red Mile would be popping if they had a sportsbook
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.leg...e-revenue/amp/

Integrity fees being written into legislation is one way they will have "leverage"
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/apnews....75eeee14e4d9ec

Mlb and NBA want 1%. They want money, they are interested, and they will get some compensation.
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Huge positive for black market bookies IMO. Their operating expenses remain the same. They can offer better value in terms of "juice"
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There is already similar legislation in regards to horse racing and other entities making money off of their product (races).

Sites that offer tourneys like Derby Wars (not run by a track) have to give a percentage of their earnings to the tracks that they offer tournaments for.
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https://www.washingtonpost.com/busin...=.17ff851d80d6

From the article

11 a.m.

The NCAA’s chief legal officer says the organization is still reviewing the Supreme Court’s decision but adds that it “will adjust sports wagering and championship policies to align with the direction from the court.

Donald Remy added that the NCAA is reviewing the decision “to understand the overall implications to college sports.”
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Clarifying something in this previous post.

Would like to point out it this is because of parimuuel betting so the legislation may not apply to regular sports betting since it isnt parimutuel.
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https://www.bloomberg.com/news/featu...se-racing-code

This is an article about arguably the best gambler in the world.

Auggie and to anyone else


This is a great article outlining the way gambling takes place on the big stage. Syndicates with computers and algorithms. Sports gambling, in the future you described auggie, will be dominated by these syndicates using tools just like this but into plate appearances and tons of other plays like that

This dude is my hero. Long article but well worth the read. I highly reccomend it
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Waiting 3+ hours for a sub even money bet. real good value in sports betting.

This isnt directed at you pboy. Just sports gambling people in general. Which will likely be myself since I am a degen.
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Evan you are the man
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Probably not conducive to getting more bets from their clientele.

Bring on the cocaine and alcohol
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Yes and no. It will rise for sure but the money will mostly be from idiot degens and not serious big time gamblers. Their money will stay overseas in online accts. Casinos cant match rebates, promos, odds, tax breaks, juice etc that online companies can. They actually cater to the player, foreign concept here. Casinos have much bigger overhead and with juice likely rising, smart money from syndicates will remain overseas

If you read the article I posted from Bloomberg about that gambler in Hong Kong, that is where I believe the big syndicates will move towards. Real time, live betting on scenarios that can be stats driven. We already see it in parimutuel wagering like fantasy sports and horse racing. These syndicates have their algorithms and they really just take advantage of us little guy, dumb gamblers. If people really knew how they have no shot against these syndicates on sites like draft kings they would never play it. I think the syndicates will remain in parimutuels heavily and also get involved in real time,scenario betting. That is where they have the biggest edge imo.

They have a huge edge in parimutuel wagering vs wagering against the house.

Honestly with juice and other expenses quickly lining up I am not sure how profitable it will be for either side. In the long run changes will have to be made to adapt to this. If they dont, over the course of time, I dont think it will be as profitable as many think. Yes it will make money, we will see a boom in bets placed from dumb money, and it will be a huge business (like it already is). There is reason for some skepticism from a gamblers perspective




Been following this pretty closely for a couple years now bc a race track was the main driving force behind this. Monmouth Park in two weeks will already have a sportsbook. Hats off to them and other people in the racing biz for making this possible
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Saw people on twitter say it is crazy to think bookies wont be around in 10 years. I think bookies will see this as a good thing. There will always be a market for people who want to bet on credit. They also will have a competitive advantage over most sportsbooks. They wont be affected by the potential integrity fee am d tax regulations etc.

Also not every state will get behind this, like Texas
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To be clear I am not OBCFing/Nokiaing/BigShorting the gambling industry. Just pointin out a few things they will have to overcome from a gamblers perspective. (Mainly focused on big time whale money) juice and higher expenses dont matter to the common weekend warrior. They will place bets no matter what.
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Be interesting to see if the Indian Casinos will get favorable legislation in certain states like New Mexico that will give them better tax rates or even a potential monopoly for a few years.

I wonder what the start up is for making an operating software online to take bets?

Also hearing some states (bc of casino lobbyists) want it to be brick and mortar gambling (not online, in person) for a few years to give casinos and race tracks a leg up in competing and driving up attendance . Would be stupid imo.
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Old 05-15-18, 10:05 AM
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Says the guy who thinks big sports orgs wont get a cut
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Old 05-15-18, 10:08 AM
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Anything else you want to add, Turpin?
im sure there will be more.
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Old 05-15-18, 10:08 AM
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Turpin approaching Weirdo territory with the consecutive posts.
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Old 05-15-18, 10:09 AM
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I am weirder than him.

Check the derby thread, basically a running blog lol
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Old 05-15-18, 10:23 AM
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Old 05-15-18, 10:24 AM
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Is there any other way? I am definitely going to go on an online message board and brag about them, complain about fit bit challenges they lost, accuse other kids of cheating, complain about transfers in high school, and lie about how well acclimated and normal they are
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Old 05-15-18, 10:46 AM
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Lol. Good plan.
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ronnie as soon as you have an answer to that question, I'll make you President of the US. I have no idea what the answer to that question is. We make it easy for people to be poor in America.
Freedom is such an awful thing. Everybody should just do what our leaders say is best for us.
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Old 05-15-18, 01:17 PM
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Freedom is such an awful thing. Everybody should just do what our leaders say is best for us.
chs, sadly for some people they would be alot better off if someone just told them what to do, they can't think for themselves.
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Old 05-15-18, 01:30 PM
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Old 05-15-18, 01:34 PM
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chs, sadly for some people they would be alot better off if someone just told them what to do, they can't think for themselves.
Anyone see the irony in this post?
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Old 05-15-18, 01:44 PM
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chs, sadly for some people they would be alot better off if someone just told them what to do, they can't think for themselves.
Spoken like a good Republican.
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chs, sadly for some people they would be alot better off if someone just told them what to do, they can't think for themselves.
Really, is a life controlled by others better than one where I make my own decisions and live with the consequences, good or bad?
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Anyone see the irony in this post?
He lets someone tell him what he’s worth.....no raise in 5 yrs.
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14red is the reason we have warnings on plastic bags to not put over your head.
No EP, what I see every day in the paper and TV, and hear on the radio is why those warnings are on there...but mainly lawyers.
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