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Old 09-23-18, 04:15 PM
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Adam Duvall/ last 30 games 5 for 45 .111 average 0 HR 0 Rbi. Overall hitting .191
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Old 09-24-18, 06:57 AM
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Thanks for the Duval update Troy.
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Old 09-24-18, 07:12 AM
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Thanks for the Duval update Troy.
On 2nd thought, I agree.
What can it hurt?
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Old 09-24-18, 08:29 AM
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Frazier, Bruce, Cozart, Duvall...pretty much anyone who's left the Reds recently has gone downhill. Who knows if Duvall is even in baseball in the next few years.
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Old 09-24-18, 08:30 AM
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Pretty tough commentary from Marty Saturday, but probably some merit. He said with the offensive swoon in September, it appears many of the Reds have mailed it in for the season. That's just a horrible way to end a season.
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Old 09-24-18, 08:53 AM
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They are allowed to trade for TOR pitching.
Lol, okay. Who are they trading? For who? And for how long? People seem to think the offense and starting 8 are playoff caliber, but they are below the NL average in runs/game.
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Old 09-24-18, 11:14 AM
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Where did you get your information?
According to spotrac and baseball-reference, those salaries aren't even close!
I would suggest you re-check your sources.
Also from Spotrac - averaged over life of contract
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Old 09-24-18, 11:40 AM
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Adam Duvall/ last 30 games 5 for 45 .111 average 0 HR 0 Rbi. Overall hitting .191
Could we make the claim that batting behind or near Votto is one of the few reasons Duvall got pitches to hit? I'm not sure i can think of a guy who's numbers fell off as quickly as Adam's. He was a 4th/ 5th outfielder with the Giants, pretty good defensively. Comes to the Reds, makes the All Star game, makes the home run derby, then just falls apart. It seems like the 2nd half of last season, after the home run derby, he's never been the same.
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Old 09-24-18, 11:46 AM
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Luis Castillo, last 15 games:
2.93 ERA
1.05 WHIP

Pretty good case for a rotation spot in 2019.
I'd guess Castillo will pitch opening day in 2019. He's been really good lately.
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Old 09-24-18, 12:12 PM
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Also from Spotrac - averaged over life of contract
Most of those guys were currently actually making significantly more than what you quoted.
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Old 09-24-18, 12:15 PM
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Duvall is a type 1 diabetic, he’s always tapered off at the end of a season. So a poor year is ending with a notable lull. I hope he can rebound next year.
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Old 09-24-18, 01:49 PM
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Duvall is a type 1 diabetic, he’s always tapered off at the end of a season. So a poor year is ending with a notable lull. I hope he can rebound next year.
But in the majors, he's never been a full time player until he came to Cincy.
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Old 09-24-18, 01:55 PM
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But in the majors, he's never been a full time player until he came to Cincy.
Okay.
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Old 09-24-18, 02:43 PM
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Current contracts of studs:
- Kluber - may win another Cy Young - making 7.7M per year on his contract which ends 2020.
- Sale - dominant when healthy - making 6.5M per year, contract ends 2020
- Bumgardner - 7M per year - ends 2020
- DeGrom - 7.4M per year - ends 2021

Bargains!
Everyone is telling me that these great pitchers make more than this currently. Thanks. I know. I clearly labeled "per year", meaning the average annual value of the contract. Go here if you care: https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/contracts/starting-pitcher/ Scroll down to find the guys I named.

Allow me to spell out my point more clearly, since I clearly did a poor job of making the point:

If your organization is smart and lucky, you can identify great pitchers BEFORE they are great, and sign them long term, and end up with relative bargains. Clearly the 4 guys I named should be among the most expensive pitchers in baseball in 2018, but they are not.
- Sale - 27th most expensive starting pitcher - $12.5M
- Bumgarner - 29th - $12M
- Kluber - 33rd - $10.7M
- DeGrom - 46th - $7.4M

This actually supports the concept that IndianDad put out there about trying to lock up Castillo and Mahle long term in June. It is not a terrible idea, it is exactly how the guys above got locked up long term for good money that has them well under market value now. Their teams identified them and took a chance, and it paid off huge for them.

Of course, it can backfire too. That is why in June my reply to Indiandad was "it is too early" on these guys. Now maybe in October we have seen enough of Castillo to take that chance on him. Lock him up for 4-5 years and maybe we have ourselves a Kluber in his prime. Might be worth a chance...
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Old 09-24-18, 03:41 PM
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Everyone is telling me that these great pitchers make more than this currently. Thanks. I know. I clearly labeled "per year", meaning the average annual value of the contract. Go here if you care: https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/contracts/starting-pitcher/ Scroll down to find the guys I named.

Allow me to spell out my point more clearly, since I clearly did a poor job of making the point:

If your organization is smart and lucky, you can identify great pitchers BEFORE they are great, and sign them long term, and end up with relative bargains. Clearly the 4 guys I named should be among the most expensive pitchers in baseball in 2018, but they are not.
- Sale - 27th most expensive starting pitcher - $12.5M
- Bumgarner - 29th - $12M
- Kluber - 33rd - $10.7M
- DeGrom - 46th - $7.4M

This actually supports the concept that IndianDad put out there about trying to lock up Castillo and Mahle long term in June. It is not a terrible idea, it is exactly how the guys above got locked up long term for good money that has them well under market value now. Their teams identified them and took a chance, and it paid off huge for them.

Of course, it can backfire too. That is why in June my reply to Indiandad was "it is too early" on these guys. Now maybe in October we have seen enough of Castillo to take that chance on him. Lock him up for 4-5 years and maybe we have ourselves a Kluber in his prime. Might be worth a chance...
Do you think Castillo's price has gone up, down or stayed the same since June?
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Old 09-24-18, 05:10 PM
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Everyone is telling me that these great pitchers make more than this currently. Thanks. I know. I clearly labeled "per year", meaning the average annual value of the contract. Go here if you care: https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/contracts/starting-pitcher/ Scroll down to find the guys I named.

Allow me to spell out my point more clearly, since I clearly did a poor job of making the point:

If your organization is smart and lucky, you can identify great pitchers BEFORE they are great, and sign them long term, and end up with relative bargains. Clearly the 4 guys I named should be among the most expensive pitchers in baseball in 2018, but they are not.
- Sale - 27th most expensive starting pitcher - $12.5M
- Bumgarner - 29th - $12M
- Kluber - 33rd - $10.7M
- DeGrom - 46th - $7.4M

This actually supports the concept that IndianDad put out there about trying to lock up Castillo and Mahle long term in June. It is not a terrible idea, it is exactly how the guys above got locked up long term for good money that has them well under market value now. Their teams identified them and took a chance, and it paid off huge for them.

Of course, it can backfire too. That is why in June my reply to Indiandad was "it is too early" on these guys. Now maybe in October we have seen enough of Castillo to take that chance on him. Lock him up for 4-5 years and maybe we have ourselves a Kluber in his prime. Might be worth a chance...
It’s not what they are making “per year”.
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Old 09-24-18, 05:26 PM
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It’s not what they are making “per year”.
He was speaking in terms of AAV. It is generally how contracts are viewed by the front office when determining a players value.
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