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Old 02-24-18, 07:25 PM
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North Canton D1 District - discussion, etc

All sectionals feeding to the site are done. I'm not sure if there are any sixth-match situations or not that could delay the pairings.

Your sectional champions and runners-up:
Kenston - Nordonia (Walsh Jesuit)
Will. South - Mentor (Mayfield)
Wadsworth - Wadsworth (Medina)
Mass. Perry - Mass. Perry (Aust. Fitch)
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Old 02-24-18, 08:37 PM
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Wadsworth wins this going away
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Old 02-24-18, 10:36 PM
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Anyone know when pairings will be posted ??
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Old 02-25-18, 07:50 AM
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Does anyone know anymore about the injury to Nastasi. He defaulted in the finals with his shoulder heavily wrapped. During his semifinal match it appeared to be bothering him. Hope it was just precautionary.
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Old 02-25-18, 08:33 AM
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What’s the hold up with the Hoover brackets?
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Old 02-25-18, 09:58 AM
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Whatís the hold up with the Hoover brackets?
I was wondering the same thing. I am guessing that one of the sectionals ran into a problem with the 5 match rule. That means the match will not be wrestled until Tuesday and will delay the brackets until most likely Tuesday night or Wednesday morning. I believe this happened last year as well. I am sure Bucksman could enlighten on us the situation.
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Old 02-25-18, 10:12 AM
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I was wondering the same thing. I am guessing that one of the sectionals ran into a problem with the 5 match rule. That means the match will not be wrestled until Tuesday and will delay the brackets until most likely Tuesday night or Wednesday morning. I believe this happened last year as well. I am sure Bucksman could enlighten on us the situation.
I can not speak to this specific situation but it was the case last year. The only two wrestle offs came from the Kenston Sectional as it had the greatest number of full, or close to full, teams.
The wrestle off was held at Beachwood on Monday following the sectional events.
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Old 02-25-18, 10:28 AM
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According to baumspage brackets, the only bracket I saw incomplete for Hoover district was 132 at M.Perry fifth place match. I could be wrong....
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Old 02-25-18, 11:21 AM
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Why not but both kids name on bracket and release bracket. After match is over Monday or Tuesday take losers name off bracket. Just doesn't seem hard.
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Old 02-25-18, 11:37 AM
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Why not but both kids name on bracket and release bracket. After match is over Monday or Tuesday take losers name off bracket. Just doesn't seem hard.
I think you may be confused. If there is indeed a match that is holding up bracketing, then it is a 3rd/4th place match (5th/6th would not matter). Therefore, there would be two spots on the bracket that are open and if they were to draw the bracket before hand and the two wrestlers know where they could land, win or lose, then it could have an effect on that match's outcome.

What I am wondering is why don't they draw all of the other brackets and just leave the one that still needs to be figured out alone for now??
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Old 02-25-18, 12:04 PM
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Looks like all matches were wrestled.
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Old 02-25-18, 12:06 PM
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I think you may be confused. If there is indeed a match that is holding up bracketing, then it is a 3rd/4th place match (5th/6th would not matter). Therefore, there would be two spots on the bracket that are open and if they were to draw the bracket before hand and the two wrestlers know where they could land, win or lose, then it could have an effect on that match's outcome.

What I am wondering is why don't they draw all of the other brackets and just leave the one that still needs to be figured out alone for now??
Correct me if Iím wrong but isnít there a pattern of how the sectionals are paired up once 106 is drawn? If this is true then if they released some of the weights then you could figure out pattern and know youíre draw based on if you finish 3rd or 4th
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Old 02-25-18, 12:34 PM
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Correct me if Iím wrong but isnít there a pattern of how the sectionals are paired up once 106 is drawn? If this is true then if they released some of the weights then you could figure out pattern and know youíre draw based on if you finish 3rd or 4th
I think you are right. So, yeah, I guess all brackets do need to be held then....but if all matches have been wrestled theeeeeeeeeeen???
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Old 02-25-18, 12:56 PM
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I think you may be confused. If there is indeed a match that is holding up bracketing, then it is a 3rd/4th place match (5th/6th would not matter). Therefore, there would be two spots on the bracket that are open and if they were to draw the bracket before hand and the two wrestlers know where they could land, win or lose, then it could have an effect on that match's outcome.

What I am wondering is why don't they draw all of the other brackets and just leave the one that still needs to be figured out alone for now??
Well that makes sense.
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Old 02-25-18, 01:31 PM
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Anybody see unwrestled matches 1-4
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Old 02-25-18, 03:44 PM
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Brackets up on Baumspage
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Old 02-25-18, 03:55 PM
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Anyone know the schedule for Friday? 2 rounds championship and 1 Consi?
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Old 02-25-18, 04:02 PM
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Anyone know the schedule for Friday? 2 rounds championship and 1 Consi?
Just 2 championships
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Old 02-25-18, 08:39 PM
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Most weights here are either weaker (some clearly, i.e. 106 and 113) or co-equal to the corresponding weight at Perrysburg. I could argue that 170, 182, and 285 are stronger here than at Perrysburg.

A couple significant scratches impact the qualifiers to state from this district, though it happens to be at two of the stronger weights of the tournament - Gruber at 126 and O'Horo at 170.

I have Wadsworth getting nine to state, Massillon Perry at 5 (though that could easily be at least one more if not even a second additional kid); and then four each for Fitch, Medina, and Walsh. The distribution of qualifiers should be pretty balanced between the schools once you get past Wadsworth - and Massillon Perry.

106
SF-1: Lewarchik (Wad) over Roberts (Fitch)
SF-2: Howard (Maple) over TBD
CSF-1: Roberts over Waller (MP) or Yarbrough (Cop)
CSF-2: Hamad (Nord) over the bottom semifinalist
placers: Lewarchik, HOward, Robets, Hamad, Waller/Yarbrough

113
SF-1: Butler (Copley) over Walker (Maple)
SF-2: Sabin (Ment) over Williams (MP)
CSF-1: Potter (Med) over Walker
CSF-2: Williams over Slipkovich (Board)
placers: Butler, Sabin, Williams, Potter, Slipkovich

120
SF-1: Canitano (Solon) over Hacker (Wad)
SF-2: Heil (Brun) over Callow (Twin) or Norman (MP)
CSF-1 Hacker over Wiseman (Stow)
CSF-2: Dressler over Callow/Norman
placers: Heil, Canitano, Hacker, Dressler, Wiseman

126
SF-1: Sutton (Fitch) over DeBoe (Ment)
SF-2: Jones (Shaker) over Fields (Brun)
CSF-1: Bailey (Green) over DeBoe
CSF-2: Nastasi (Ken) over Fields
placers: Sutton, Jones, Nastasi, Bailey, Fields

132
SF-1: Fields (Brun) over Brichford (Mad)
SF-2: Messer (Wad) over Boysel (Hud)
CSF-1: Graber (Green) over Brichford
CSF-2: Boysel over Brenneman (Nord)
placers: Fields, Messer, Graber, Boysel, Brichford

138
SF-1: Gottschalk (Walsh) over Patten (Stow)
SF-2: Baughman (Wad) over Collica (Nord)
CSF-1: Kaminski (Green) over Patten
CSF-2: Collica over Sparkman (MP)
placers: Baughman, Gottschalk, Collica, Kaminski, Sparkman

145
SF-1: Wissel (Med) over Khalfani (Cop)
SF-2: North (Wad) over Vinas (MP)
CSF-1: Khalfani over Rieheld (Stow)
CSF-2: Perrine (Nord) over Vinas
placers: North, Wissel, Khalfani, Perrine, Vinas

152
SF-1: Schmidt (Walsh) over Marinozzi (Ment)
SF-2: Carr (MP) over Farenchak (Walsh)
CSF-1: Corrigan (Twin) <or Riggenbach (Wad)> over Marinozzi
CSF-2: Farenchak over List (Med)
placers: Carr, Schmidt, Farenchak, Corrigan, Marinozzi

160
SF-1: Reicosky (Hoover) over Loparo (Wad)
SF-2: Ferree (Fitch) over Koplow (Ken)
CSF-1: Loparo over Rozier (Fire), or James (UL)/Coleman (Hud)
CSF-2: Koplow over Ceferrati (Twin)
placers: Ferree, Reicosky, Loparo, Koplow, Ceferrati

170
SF-1: DiPietro (Walsh) over Shelley (Ment)
SF-2: Soehnlen (MP) over Chrisman (Med)
CSF-1: Shelley over Blaz (Wad), or Caniglia (Hud)/Appling (May)
CSF-2: Chrisman over Tolarchyk (MJ)
placers: Soehnlen, DiPietro, Chrisman, Shelley, Tolarchyk

182
SF-1: Marcelli (MJ) over Steele (CLH)
SF-2: Baughman (Wad) over Serikbaev (WSO)
CSF-1: Blackiston (MP) over Steele
CSF-2: Wokojance (Barb) over Serikbaev
placers; Marcelli, Baughman, Blackiston, Wokojance, Serikbaev

195
SF-1: Smith (Hoover) over Curtis (MP)
SF-2: Douglas (Fitch) over Frisone (Walsh)
CSF-1: Clemson (McK) <or Zentiska (Barb)> over Curtis
CSF-2: Frisone over Jackson (Wad)
placers: Smith, Douglas, Clemson, Frisone, Curtis

220
SF-1: Meaney (Laksd) over Parker (Solon)
SF-2: McComas (Wad) over Luster (MP)
CSF-1: Parker over Meinhard (Shaker), or Sevastos (Brun)
CSF-2: Luster over Puchajda (CF), or Sanders (UL)
placers: McComas, Meaney, Luster, Parker, Puchajda

285
SF-1: Cunningham (Laksd) over Millin (MP)
SF-2: Earnest (Wad) over Mather (UL)
CSF-1: Hill (Bed) <or Saipaia (McK)/Petrey (Fitch)> over Millin
CSF-2: Mather over Morrocco (Stow)
placers: Earnest, Cunningham, Mather, Hill, Millin
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Old 02-26-18, 02:19 AM
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Messed up on posting this before, but my predictions can be found here: www.borofanohio.net/n-canton-hoover-district
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Old 02-26-18, 09:18 PM
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Will be interesting to see each sectionals advancement from this district. Guessing some realignment might be in order.
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Old 02-26-18, 09:30 PM
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Will be interesting to see each sectionals advancement from this district. Guessing some realignment might be in order.
Can you elaborate more on your thoughts
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Old 02-26-18, 09:39 PM
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Will be interesting to see each sectionals advancement from this district. Guessing some realignment might be in order.
It will never be perfect. But I would like to see a draw like the South sectional did it. Wonder how things would of played out if schools could pick where they wanted to go.
How or who seeds teams for picking order.
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Old 02-26-18, 10:26 PM
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Personally I feel sectionals should be done by geography only. I think it’s the fairest way.
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Old 02-26-18, 11:41 PM
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How does geography make it the fairest way? Sectionals A & B loaded due to the teams that are located in those regions...sectional C OK & sectional D weak due to the teams that located in those regions.

How does that give you a fair representation at district? A, B, C, & D were just examples & weren't meant to represent any certain areas, but we all know that it could be because it does happen that way.

The best way to choose sectionals is to seed the teams & let the coaches choose where they want to go...same as they would choose a line in a tournament.
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Old 02-27-18, 12:11 AM
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All other sports are done by geography so why should sectionals for wrestling be any different? If it’s tough it is what it is. Put the work in to get better
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Old 02-27-18, 08:23 AM
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No dog in this fight, but nothing will ever be perfect. Every year some weight classes are loaded and some are weak, at every sectional. To move Team A to a different sectional doesn't guarantee sectionals are fair and balanced. To do that, you would have to separate individuals, not teams, and that just isn't feasible.

And I hate to sound crass, but if a sectional has 5 or 6 kids in a weight class that are all very good, whomever takes 5/6th, while they might qualify for district in a different sectional, are not likely to make states anyways once at districts, since they weren't top 4 at sectional and all those kids feed same district.

The only thing I see as "unfair" is when a sectional has 4 or 5 kids total in a weight, so a kid qualifies by showing up. A coach from another team at our sectional had an interesting solution....in sectionals that have no numbers, allow B wrestlers/B teams to join.

This team (won't name them) said "we could have sent our B team to Willoughby South and helped fill those brackets, and then our kids have a chance to qualify for districts themselves".

Since people always talk about how to increase numbers and participation, thought this was an interesting concept. Might be difficult to make work (do you only get to if you have a full B team? Can you send individuals?) but was an interesting idea at least.
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Old 02-27-18, 09:22 AM
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I have thought about ways to do this for a league a few times, and also an idea for sectional.

This would be a way to fill sectionals.
The Saturday before sectionals you have a sectional qualifier. It is for all kids not being entered as "a" into the sectional.
You then use the qualifier to fill open weights (you decide if full is 12, 16, or the # of teams assigned to the sectional.

Place kids all the way out and then hopefully you have fill ins to fill each bracket.

I would think you would need some sort of equalizer to make sure each team had an equal shot to fill weights.
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Old 02-27-18, 10:18 AM
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All other sports are done by geography so why should sectionals for wrestling be any different? If itís tough it is what it is. Put the work in to get better
That not true. Central Ohio get to pick in just about every sport.
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Old 02-27-18, 10:54 AM
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This topic has been discussed with the people in charge of this. They're only argument for not doing some sort of seeding is that, "If they do it for one sport, they have to do it for all sports."

I'm not so sure why that HAS to be, but even if so, why wouldn't you let the coaches/teams seed themselves to give their team the best opportunity for success? Not to mention I thought that it was their job to ensure that our district's athletes had the best opportunities to succeed.

I will give one example that I feel exemplifies why we need to do this. An inner city wrestler, wins his conference, but doesn't bother to show up to his sectional because he knows the competition there is tough. While on the other side of town, the wrestler(s) he beat at conference are qualifying for district...simply because of geography. While I do not condone a wrestler simply not showing up because he is projecting what will happen, I get it.

So I ask, Is that fair to the kid? Is it representing our district in the best way? Does that help grow the sport?
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