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Old 07-09-18, 11:19 AM
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I enjoyed all the DeGrom / Syndergaard / Greene discussion. I said my piece earlier, but will agree with Monclova Steve again. DeGrom may be on the block, but Mets will not part with Syndergaard. He is too young, talented, cheap and under their control. And the Reds should not part with Greene.
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Old 07-09-18, 11:21 AM
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Kick in the gut this weekend. Up 5-0, 7-2 on Saturday and letting it get away was awful. And yesterday we were right there again.

But this all stems back to having 5, 6 inning starts and just pushing that bullpen over and over. A slight Hiccup for Huges Saturday, he's been pretty good all season and this one just go away. Still have to find a way to win that. We were fortunate to even have a shot yesterday. Jackson Stephens is a AAA pitcher and will never make long term significant contributions at the major league level.
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Old 07-09-18, 11:34 AM
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The better question is do the Reds trade Gennet? He’s only 28, but nobody knows if he’s a late bloomer (like Jake Arrieta) or a 1 yr wonder. I tend to lean towards trading him if they get a top 10 prospect from a team.
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Old 07-09-18, 11:45 AM
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Leading the NL in OBP by a mile. In other words, he is the toughest out in the NL. His power numbers are off a bit, but historically the first half of the season is his bad half.

Who was the genius who said he should bat lead-off? Oh yeah, that was me in March. He is setting the table beautifully for Scooter and Suarez to knock him in. All 3 are worthy All Stars this year, if numbers mean anything.
Probably leads the league in take 3 strikes.
ranks 25th in HR's by 1st baseman
14th in RBI's by 1st baseman
24th in slugging % by 1st baseman

not all star numbers from a power position in my book.

His fielding is not that great nor is his game awareness.

The other 2 REDS definitely deserve to be there but not Votto....

Just my opinion.
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Old 07-09-18, 12:28 PM
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Vamp, 100% agree on Votto.
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Old 07-09-18, 12:50 PM
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The better question is do the Reds trade Gennet? Hes only 28, but nobody knows if hes a late bloomer (like Jake Arrieta) or a 1 yr wonder. I tend to lean towards trading him if they get a top 10 prospect from a team.
I'll be interested to see what the trade market is for Scooter. Most teams don't put much resources into their 2nd base position. If the market is low enough, maybe the Reds do consider keeping him and signing him to a team friendly deal.
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Old 07-09-18, 02:34 PM
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Not a big Paul Daugherty fan, but it's good to see some appreciate Billy on offense. Yes, we all want him to get on base more, but when he's on base, he scores more than anyone else in baseball.

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/spo...lue/765438002/
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Old 07-09-18, 02:39 PM
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Probably leads the league in take 3 strikes.
ranks 25th in HR's by 1st baseman
14th in RBI's by 1st baseman
24th in slugging % by 1st baseman

not all star numbers from a power position in my book.

His fielding is not that great nor is his game awareness.

The other 2 REDS definitely deserve to be there but not Votto....

Just my opinion.
If you watch the games, a lot of those taken third strikes are not strikes. He knows the strike zone better than a lot of umpires.
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Old 07-09-18, 03:24 PM
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It almost appears that Castillo is on the same path as Iglesias and Lorenzen. He simply cannot keep his pitch count down, and he can't stay consistent. Could he be a closer candidate / back of the bullpen guy in a year or so? I just am not sure he's starter material.
He is trying to throw hard instead of pitch. He leaves pitches up in the zone to get rocked because he is overthrowing. He has no confidence right now so he is just trying to throw it harder.
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Old 07-09-18, 03:26 PM
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The better question is do the Reds trade Gennet? Hes only 28, but nobody knows if hes a late bloomer (like Jake Arrieta) or a 1 yr wonder. I tend to lean towards trading him if they get a top 10 prospect from a team.
Not all teams top 10 prospects are equal.
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Old 07-09-18, 04:20 PM
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If you watch the games, a lot of those taken third strikes are not strikes. He knows the strike zone better than a lot of umpires.
If MLB ever goes to the auto strike / ball calling, Votto will get more walks. I think alot of umpires call strikes based on where the catcher sets up the glove. There is no way you can line up in the inside shoulder of the catcher and see the outside corner properly.
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Old 07-09-18, 05:21 PM
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If you watch the games, a lot of those taken third strikes are not strikes. He knows the strike zone better than a lot of umpires.
And, to be fair, most of them are strikes. He may (and does) know the strike zone incredibly well, but his vantage point is not nearly as good as the umpire's.
That said, I have seen him get rung up a few times on a ball out of the strike zone.
I tend to go by what one of my coaches told us: "Don't come back here saying that pitch was 1/4" outside".
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Old 07-09-18, 05:32 PM
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I enjoyed all the DeGrom / Syndergaard / Greene discussion. I said my piece earlier, but will agree with Monclova Steve again. DeGrom may be on the block, but Mets will not part with Syndergaard. He is too young, talented, cheap and under their control. And the Reds should not part with Greene.
Do you consider Senzel "untouchable"?
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Old 07-09-18, 06:13 PM
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Not all teams top 10 prospects are equal.
Yeah, but in April and May they were looking at maybe a top 20 Prospect and player TBA. I think of you get a solid prospect, pull the trigger.
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Old 07-09-18, 06:13 PM
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Do you consider Senzel "untouchable"?
He should be.
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Old 07-09-18, 06:47 PM
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If you watch the games, a lot of those taken third strikes are not strikes. He knows the strike zone better than a lot of umpires.
And some of his ball 4's were strikes.... it evens out.

point, with 2 strikes if it is close you swing.
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Old 07-09-18, 06:52 PM
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and once again....

called strike 3 on Votto, and yes IT was a strike.
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Old 07-09-18, 07:12 PM
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and once again....

called strike 3 on Votto, and yes IT was a strike.
cut him
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Old 07-09-18, 07:37 PM
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If you watch the games, a lot of those taken third strikes are not strikes. He knows the strike zone better than a lot of umpires.
Sure he does from his viewpoint and he also knows the umpires that have a wide or narrow strike zone. Trying to prove an ump wrong over and over again
still gets you rung up no matter how good your eye is. All you can ask for is consistency and adjust.
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Old 07-09-18, 08:23 PM
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1st and 2nd with no outs, Votto..... double play......
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Old 07-09-18, 08:25 PM
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once again, 1st and 2nd with no outs, this time Barnhart is up... lets see what happens....

well.... he couldn't move the runners over either.... he caught a Votto I guess....
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Old 07-10-18, 12:05 AM
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I mean Votto did have a home run today so feel like that may also be worth mentioning.
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Old 07-10-18, 07:01 AM
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I mean Votto did have a home run today so feel like that may also be worth mentioning.
Screw that. He left runners on base. DFA him.

Right Vamps?
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Old 07-10-18, 07:05 AM
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No. Votto sucks, the home run was a fluke.
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Old 07-10-18, 07:37 AM
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I mean Votto did have a home run today so feel like that may also be worth mentioning.
Lol. I wish Joey Votto was good at baseball.
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Old 07-10-18, 08:39 AM
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Love beating the Tribe...
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Old 07-10-18, 08:44 AM
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Joey walked his last at bat, the last two pitches were borderline strikes...called balls. He actually hung in the batter's box a split second after ball four because I think he thought it was a strike.
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Old 07-10-18, 10:50 AM
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Do you consider Senzel "untouchable"?
No. But his value would be lower now given recent health history, so who would be willing to give us fair value? My preference would be to keep him unless the Reds get an offer too good to pass up, which seems unlikely until he has a stretch of good health and good production.
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Old 07-10-18, 10:51 AM
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The entire goal of baseball hitters is to not make outs. Joey Votto does that better than anyone. Yet a few geniuses with a keyboard want to keep whining about the times he does make outs or mistakes. Look at the entire body of work, and appreciate greatness when you see it.
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Old 07-10-18, 12:34 PM
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Sure he does from his viewpoint and he also knows the umpires that have a wide or narrow strike zone. Trying to prove an ump wrong over and over again
still gets you rung up no matter how good your eye is. All you can ask for is consistency and adjust.
That's all well and good and part of the subjectivity of the game. Pretending he's horrible for taking a lot of close pitches is just asinine.
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