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Old 03-25-18, 01:52 PM
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I would bet that a lot of ML's kids work in some capacity in farm labor, whether it's a family farm, being a seasonal laborer for a major landowner, or doing something related to machinery/equipment maintenance.

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Old 03-25-18, 02:12 PM
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Two things are repeated over and over to avoid poverty for your children. First, keep the family intact, second, responsibility to provide via a job. I think both of those are accomplished at higher than average rates in MAC country.
I would imagine that many families in the MAC area form after marriage. I would suspect that probably 95% of MAC kids grow up in a household with their mother and father. Not mom and a boyfriend, not Ďjust momí, not some other arrangement of legal guardianship. This canít be overlooked, I believe. Not necessarily saying every mom-and-dad household is perfect or that one canít be successful with absence of parents in their home lives, but if nothing else there are social and structural advantages to having two adults in the house that can provide for their childís wellbeing and needs.
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Old 03-25-18, 02:16 PM
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I would imagine that many families in the MAC area form after marriage. I would suspect that probably 95% of MAC kids grow up in a household with their mother and father. Not mom and a boyfriend, not Ďjust momí, not some other arrangement of legal guardianship. This canít be overlooked, I believe. Not necessarily saying every mom-and-dad household is perfect or that one canít be successful with absence of parents in their home lives, but if nothing else there are social and structural advantages to having two adults in the house that can provide for their childís wellbeing and needs.
Probably closer to 75% but still higher than average.
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Old 03-25-18, 07:36 PM
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^^^ I also think geographic proximity to extended family helps a little. Many MAC families live in the town that one or both of the parents grew up in, so quite a few immediate relatives often live fairly close by.

Most kids will work harder at a sport knowing that aunts, uncles, cousins, grandparents will be at the games cheering them on. It feels good to feel special.

And by saying this I don't mean to make the MAC communities out to be unique, idyllic places that are superior to everywhere else, but some of the "outdated" family conditions in our towns seem to help the hs sports teams.
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Old 03-25-18, 07:39 PM
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CC looked more athletic than ML, but the difference was less than I had anticipated.

Not a particularly keen insight I realize, but I felt like saying that.

And I was impressed by the CC kids' composure and class. They had to be very frustrated to lose this game, but showed good character through it all.
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Old 03-25-18, 08:04 PM
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^^^ I also think geographic proximity to extended family helps a little. Many MAC families live in the town that one or both of the parents grew up in, so quite a few immediate relatives often live fairly close by.

Most kids will work harder at a sport knowing that aunts, uncles, cousins, grandparents will be at the games cheering them on. It feels good to feel special.

And by saying this I don't mean to make the MAC communities out to be unique, idyllic places that are superior to everywhere else, but some of the "outdated" family conditions in our towns seem to help the hs sports teams.
I actually find that to be pretty common in most small towns.
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Old 03-25-18, 08:07 PM
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To understand how 'rural' the Marion Local school district is, consider this:
- There is not a single stop light in the entire school district
- There is not a single fast food restaurant in the entire school district

It is made up of 6 small very small towns with 6 Catholic churches (plus the Maria Stein Relic Chapel) and 5 drinking establishments.
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Old 03-25-18, 09:47 PM
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To understand how 'rural' the Marion Local school district is, consider this:
- There is not a single stop light in the entire school district
- There is not a single fast food restaurant in the entire school district

It is made up of 6 small very small towns with 6 Catholic churches (plus the Maria Stein Relic Chapel) and 5 drinking establishments.
Only 5? I smell an opportunity....
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Old 03-25-18, 10:08 PM
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CC looked more athletic than ML, but the difference was less than I had anticipated.

Not a particularly keen insight I realize, but I felt like saying that.

And I was impressed by the CC kids' composure and class. They had to be very frustrated to lose this game, but showed good character through it all.
Well stated. Totally agree.
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Old 03-25-18, 10:50 PM
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Only 5? I smell an opportunity....
Partners?
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Old 03-26-18, 08:15 AM
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Partners?
It's a running joke around here.... every Catholic church has a bar across the street. German Catholics and beer go together like milk and cookies.
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Old 03-26-18, 08:31 AM
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CC looked more athletic than ML, but the difference was less than I had anticipated.

Not a particularly keen insight I realize, but I felt like saying that.

And I was impressed by the CC kids' composure and class. They had to be very frustrated to lose this game, but showed good character through it all.
I agree, ML's ability to handle CCA's full court pressure and score easy baskets from it I thought was the key to the Flyers victory. Neither team was very good in the half court offense.
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Old 03-26-18, 09:31 AM
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CCA was certainly a class act. Sadly, that was likely their coach's last game (from what the rumor mill says). And he didn't particularly coach well, in my opinion. Many of the "excuses" being posted on here from CCA fans/backers are truthful. Poor execution on trapping the ball. Bad clock management. Poor shot quality with the lead. Bad use of playing stall ball. Bad use of fouls in situational ball down the stretch. CCA simply got outcoached.

That said, their coach was the most humble person on the floor after the game, taking the time to walk around, congratulate the team, hug individuals, and talk to the press with humility. He did a great service to that school and those kids.

But, bottom line is ML got it done. Excellent coaches at MSML. They will be contenders in multiple sports for years to come. Hats off.
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Old 03-26-18, 01:50 PM
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Bottom line it was one of the best Championship games I have seen in years. Didnt have a dog in the fight and enjoyed every minute of the four quarter and ot's. I re-watched it on TV when I got home yesterday and it was still fun to watch.

Congrats to ML, well deserved title
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Old 03-28-18, 01:19 PM
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I don't know how the competitive balance works but....

how can a school have an enrollment of 42 but competitive balance of 86? or close to that....
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Old 03-28-18, 01:36 PM
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A huge percentage of enrollment would have to reside outside of the boundaries of whatever is designated as their "district" (Willoughby?).

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Old 03-28-18, 01:53 PM
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A huge percentage of enrollment would have to reside outside of the boundaries of whatever is designated as their "district" (Willoughby?).

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With that difference between actual and CB did they have ANY boys who resided in the district?

THat just doesn't seem feasible but I guess schools outside our immediate area are much more different than we see.
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Old 03-28-18, 02:01 PM
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With that difference between actual and CB did they have ANY boys who resided in the district?

THat just doesn't seem feasible but I guess schools outside our immediate area are much more different than we see.
THankfully
With that high of CB count, I would say most of their bball players resided outside of their district.
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Old 03-28-18, 02:03 PM
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With that difference between actual and CB did they have ANY boys who resided in the district?

THat just doesn't seem feasible but I guess schools outside our immediate area are much more different than we see.
THankfully
I think it essentially means that a lot of kids didn't go to their designated "feeder" (believable, IMO for a small urban Christian school) or showed up in 9th grade or later (also believable, IMO, even for non-athletes). Depending on the condition, I believe either of the above result in a CB adjustment of +1 or +5 for basketball. I would bet that even with non-athletes, they have a lot of +5s.

I believe that Willoughby is a fairly small suburb east of Cleveland, both in geographic and population size. Smaller D1 high school, I believe. Probably about the same size as say a Troy. I would bet CCA has a ton of legit students from fairly close by larger suburbs such as Mentor.

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Old 03-31-18, 10:04 PM
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This is not the gridiron.

CC wins easily.

Stop being a MAC homer.
just checked in on this Thread....you are NO Stukenburg in predicting games...
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Old 03-31-18, 10:17 PM
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That's MAC country for you. They do not make excuses, whine about private schools recruiting, nor do they get intimidated against schools that have the resume like Stirred not Shaken was describing. CCA probably thought that because of their very impressive accomplishments this season, they had the state title in the bag; a huge mistake against a MAC country school. This game, and this flyers team exemplifies the reason why I like to regard the schools in the MAC as the gold standard for public schools. I'm typically a northeast Ohio homer, but I have a soft spot for MAC schools. They represent how things were once upon a time in high school sports. Where communities took great pride in their local high school football teams. Where the players where so inspired by their pride in their small town community that they would not leave their community school district to form an all star team, but rather, to compete together with fellow athletes and represent their community, in victory or defeat. And then on Friday nights, the entire community would rally around the games, in victory or defeat. Communities which would otherwise be obscure, would get their time on the map, if their local team was successful. No, I recognize those days are long gone now. But still, MAC country is an echo of those days. Of what high school sports used to be.
that is about as good as I've ever heard it explained....
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Old 03-31-18, 10:19 PM
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It was ONE kid, #10 trying to be the star of the show without playing one second. It was pretty obvious what the clown #10 for ML was up to.
wasn't at the game....but I thought what was going on at the end of the bench...was GREAT....at least what I've seen in replays.....
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Old 03-31-18, 10:30 PM
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ML coach Kurt Goettemoeller was probably also a difference maker for Marion against CC - excellent x's and o'x guy who relates well to his staff and to his players.

He deserves a significant degree of the credit.
Big hand to Coach G, great guy, great teacher(AT Minster), past couple of years has taken some grief from the Flyer Faithful, but the Marion Grad stuck with it, and did a hellva JOB this year
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Old 04-01-18, 11:15 AM
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Big hand to Coach G, great guy, great teacher(AT Minster), past couple of years has taken some grief from the Flyer Faithful, but the Marion Grad stuck with it, and did a hellva JOB this year
Yes he did ( take grief for previous years ) and I was one of them, with talent comes big expectations. However congratulations on a job well done this season.
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Old 04-03-18, 12:59 PM
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Marion local swag

I had never seen Marion local, or anyone from their conference until I went to Kettering to watch them in their regional semi. Both teams, it was amazing to see towns come together like that, very cool. Being from Butler County I had never had a chance to see them. Now I'm a fan! Does anyone know where I could buy a Marion local tshirt?
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Old 04-03-18, 01:17 PM
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I had never seen Marion local, or anyone from their conference until I went to Kettering to watch them in their regional semi. Both teams, it was amazing to see towns come together like that, very cool. Being from Butler County I had never had a chance to see them. Now I'm a fan! Does anyone know where I could buy a Marion local tshirt?
Village Sports Shop in Chickasaw, OH. Probably can find their phone no. on the internet.
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Old 04-03-18, 01:58 PM
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Look up mvp sports and you will find em. Not sure you can order online though
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Old 04-03-18, 02:06 PM
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Look up mvp sports and you will find em. Not sure you can order online though
Yes it is called MVP now, old age kicking in.
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Look up mvp sports and you will find em. Not sure you can order online though
Haven't been to Chickasaw for years....you're saying they still don't have internet?
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Old 04-03-18, 04:15 PM
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I had never seen Marion local, or anyone from their conference until I went to Kettering to watch them in their regional semi. Both teams, it was amazing to see towns come together like that, very cool. Being from Butler County I had never had a chance to see them. Now I'm a fan! Does anyone know where I could buy a Marion local tshirt?
You don't happen to know a guy calling himself hoser, also from Butler County, do you ? He has been doubting our description of community support in the MAC area for years.
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