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Old 03-02-18, 06:10 PM
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It doesn’t matter if the student(s) in question participated in the altercation or not. The rule is you can’t leave the confines of the bench area during a fight. Period. No exceptions. That’s an NFHS rule. Doesn’t matter if he was in the fight or not.
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Old 03-02-18, 06:11 PM
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The student In question did not participate in the altercation. His name was on a list the refs sent to the state. This one student is the kid in question. The news and most everyone else took whatever information they had and ran with a story without all the facts.

There was a parent meeting at Dunbar last night where the principal and coaches detailed all of the information and why DPS was fighting the incident. Dunbar's goal is to prove that they did everything the state required and that the OHSAA was not correct in bringing down the sanction. This is the issue, not 7 kids. One kid. Stay tuned...

Is it too much to say that the OHSSA might have done something wrong?

It doesn't matter if they were wrong.

Bylaw 8, Section 3(1) of the OHSAA Constitution and Bylaws reads in part, “
Protests arising from the decisions of interpretations of the rules by
officials during the game will
not be considered
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are final.” This means that correctable errors must be
corrected during the game and within the time established by playing rules
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Old 03-02-18, 06:41 PM
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The student In question did not participate in the altercation. His name was on a list the refs sent to the state. This one student is the kid in question. The news and most everyone else took whatever information they had and ran with a story without all the facts.

There was a parent meeting at Dunbar last night where the principal and coaches detailed all of the information and why DPS was fighting the incident. Dunbar's goal is to prove that they did everything the state required and that the OHSAA was not correct in bringing down the sanction. This is the issue, not 7 kids. One kid. Stay tuned...

Is it too much to say that the OHSSA might have done something wrong?


Based on just the facts that you presented, no the OHSAA did nothing wrong.The ref turned in the names, OHSAA inquiry was not answered by Dunbar and so the forfeit.
If Dunbar thought there was a mistake, it is on Dunbar to prove the record wrong in a TIMELY manner, not ignore it. The OHSAA tried to contact Dunbar on the matter, Dunbar ignored it, not exactly a smart thing to do when you are already on probation. Maybe DPS should hire some adults to oversee their athletics, amateurs are not working out.
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Old 03-02-18, 07:25 PM
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The OHSAA cited Dunbar’s use of an ineligible player in its last tournament game, and the school’s failure to enforce suspensions against multiple junior varsity players stemming from a Jan. 10 on-court fight during a game.

In its court filing Friday, Dayton Public Schools included an affidavit from Dunbar junior varsity coach Donnovan Brown. Brown claims that a “John Doe” player who splits time between the junior varsity and varsity teams is the player OHSAA said should have been suspended, but played in a Dunbar tournament game Feb. 23.

Brown says in his affidavit that he watched video of the altercation twice – the day after it happened and again this week – and the “John Doe” player was not involved in the fight, so he was not suspended.

In the primary court complaint, DPS’ attorney wrote that “at no point between Jan. 10, 2018 and Feb. 23, 2018, did any OHSAA official advise DPS administrators at either Dunbar or Thurgood Marshall that all players leaving the bench area during the altercation were or should have been suspended for two games.”


Sorry but the OHSAA tried to inform the school 7 times regarding the situation and Dunbar failed to respond--and now a JV coach is going to go back and watch a tape from January--this is totally ridiculous. What the hell was the varsity coach and AD doing since January 10th?

Dunbar needs to take the suspension and stop messing up Fenwick and Thurgood's season by now forcing those kids and coaches to wait until next Thursday to play--just selfish--OHSAA members need to vote Dunbar out of the Organization and let them be a Prep School with no rules.
I read the game is at 9:30 too. Ridiculous!
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Old 03-02-18, 08:07 PM
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Attorneys are very good at telling the literal truth while they dissemble--it's a big part of the job.

So how can we reconcile:

1. "The OHSAA made seven documented attempts to communicate with the school regarding the mandated suspensions."

and

2. “at no point between Jan. 10, 2018 and Feb. 23, 2018, did any OHSAA official advise DPS administrators at either Dunbar or Thurgood Marshall that all players leaving the bench area during the altercation were or should have been suspended for two games.”

Maybe the letters from the Association specifically listed the players who were required to be suspended, instead of referring vaguely to "all players leaving the bench area"? That's what I'd do if I were drafting the letter. There's no way I'm leaving it to the schools to figure out who to suspend; the game officials' decision is final.
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Old 03-02-18, 10:30 PM
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The student In question did not participate in the altercation. His name was on a list the refs sent to the state. This one student is the kid in question. The news and most everyone else took whatever information they had and ran with a story without all the facts.

There was a parent meeting at Dunbar last night where the principal and coaches detailed all of the information and why DPS was fighting the incident. Dunbar's goal is to prove that they did everything the state required and that the OHSAA was not correct in bringing down the sanction. This is the issue, not 7 kids. One kid. Stay tuned...

Is it too much to say that the OHSSA might have done something wrong?
IF the kids # was on the list of players that left the bench (that's the standard- not wether or not they were involved in any fighting) that the officials turned in then that is all that matters. If you are saying that Dunbar is disputing that it is too late- the #s that were on the report are the ones that had to fulfill the 2 game suspension as laid out above. The time to dispute that (with said video coverage)would have been when the AD was given the list of players that had to serve the suspension.
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Old 03-03-18, 09:34 AM
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IF the kids # was on the list of players that left the bench (that's the standard- not wether or not they were involved in any fighting) that the officials turned in then that is all that matters. If you are saying that Dunbar is disputing that it is too late- the #s that were on the report are the ones that had to fulfill the 2 game suspension as laid out above. The time to dispute that (with said video coverage)would have been when the AD was given the list of players that had to serve the suspension.
Correct....the OHSAA would have told them which kids were suspended. It's not like they just sent a letter saying "hey, the refs said you had some kids leave the bench...why don't you just pick some guys and suspend them for 2 games so we can get this over with....""
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Old 03-03-18, 10:47 AM
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https://t.co/fmPjY9ImQJ?amp=1

Dayton daily news with some more info
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Old 03-03-18, 01:59 PM
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I love how the Dunbar AD kept sending her responses to the OHSAA automated address, not to the OHSAA director of officiating who was emailing her trying to get answers.

They're going to whacked in court, then OHSAA will show no mercy. Will be interesting to see if OHSAA hits Dunbar with a suspension
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Old 03-03-18, 03:57 PM
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I love how the Dunbar AD kept sending her responses to the OHSAA automated address, not to the OHSAA director of officiating who was emailing her trying to get answers.

They're going to whacked in court, then OHSAA will show no mercy. Will be interesting to see if OHSAA hits Dunbar with a suspension
You are correct sir--As I said yesterday the OHSAA membership should vote Dunbar out of the OHSAA and let them become a prep school that can travel anywhere they want, have basically no rules or restrictions, and end the ineptitude of Baker and his cohorts.

What is being overlooked is how this impacts both Fenwick and Thurgood by forcing them to wait until a judge throws this out and then instead of playing as planned on Sunday they have to now wait until Wednesday--this is a joke!!
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Old 03-03-18, 04:12 PM
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I hate this for all the kids involved. Totally unfair that adults in DPS continue to hurt their own kids!!

Court should be interesting. Many have challenged the OHSAA. Few have won. The OHSAA usually has all their i’s dotted and t’s crossed. If I had to bet, the OHSAA wins. The question is, if they win, what’s the penalty??? I would hope it starts with a new district AD that is approved by the OHSAA. There has got to be a couple “retired” ADs who can spend a couple years righting the DPS ship.

If Dunbar wins this, I hope DPS realizes that their district AD is not fit for the position. Time to hire someone who knows what they are doing and willing to put the time and effort required into the job instead of working at the airport when he should be working for DPS.
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Old 03-03-18, 06:08 PM
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The kids share some blame- two DPS schools players fought, that's what started this mess.
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Old 03-05-18, 02:16 PM
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This sure appears like the people in charge dropped the ball and now want to create such a scene that OHSAA gives in to make this go away and get the tournament going. I wish the OHSAA would tell Dunbar to drop the lawsuit and accept the violation punishment or your membership is revoked. This whole thing is a black eye on the spirit of the games and sportsmanship which to OHSAA claims to promote. Either follow the rules or go elsewhere.
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Old 03-06-18, 05:03 PM
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Just saw the Dunbar/fairmont vs fenwick game has been moved to Saturday at hamilton.
The game is scheduled for 3:00.
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Old 03-06-18, 06:04 PM
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Dunbar won the lawsuit
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Old 03-06-18, 06:23 PM
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Does anybody give Fenwick a chance in this game?! I mean Dunbar has had 8 days to prepare for them and Fenwick gets zero days....
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Old 03-06-18, 06:51 PM
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This sure appears like the people in charge dropped the ball and now want to create such a scene that OHSAA gives in to make this go away and get the tournament going. I wish the OHSAA would tell Dunbar to drop the lawsuit and accept the violation punishment or your membership is revoked. This whole thing is a black eye on the spirit of the games and sportsmanship which to OHSAA claims to promote. Either follow the rules or go elsewhere.
Glad they didn't listen to this! Lol

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Old 03-06-18, 08:44 PM
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Just saw the Dunbar/fairmont vs fenwick game has been moved to Saturday at hamilton.
The game is scheduled for 3:00.
Dunbar vs. Fenwick is Wednesday at 9:30 at UD Arena.

Dunbar/Fenwick winner vs. Woodward is Saturday at 3 at Hamilton.

At least that is as I understand it at the moment.
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Old 03-07-18, 07:50 AM
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Does anybody give Fenwick a chance in this game?! I mean Dunbar has had 8 days to prepare for them and Fenwick gets zero days....
Who do you think was under more stress? The team that was "in" and waiting to see who they were going to play or the team waiting on the sidelines to see "if" they were going to play. Please, Fenwick had the clear advantage. Heck all they needed to do is prepare for pressure anyway.


They had 8 days to prepare for the heat they have yet to see in the almighty GCL north. 8 days is a lot of time to put in a pressbreaker or two or six. Good luck both teams. Time to get back to bball for both of you!
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Old 03-07-18, 09:40 AM
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Who do you think was under more stress? The team that was "in" and waiting to see who they were going to play or the team waiting on the sidelines to see "if" they were going to play. Please, Fenwick had the clear advantage. Heck all they needed to do is prepare for pressure anyway.


They had 8 days to prepare for the heat they have yet to see in the almighty GCL north. 8 days is a lot of time to put in a pressbreaker or two or six. Good luck both teams. Time to get back to bball for both of you!
I would agree with preparing for the pressure they will see. However, i do disagree with how they would prepare defensively against Dunbar or Thurgood. Two totally different teams in terms of player personal to prepare for. BTW the almighty GCL north has two teams playing in a district final and one GCL central team that won a district title.
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Old 03-08-18, 11:25 AM
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Dunbar continued to practice and prepare for only one team Fenwick. Fenwick was told to prepare for one team (Thurgood) and then with no time to prepare got told surprise it is Dunbar. In my way of thinking this was completely unfair to Fenwick.
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Old 03-08-18, 11:49 AM
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Dunbar continued to practice and prepare for only one team Fenwick. Fenwick was told to prepare for one team (Thurgood) and then with no time to prepare got told surprise it is Dunbar. In my way of thinking this was completely unfair to Fenwick.
The final score was 27-26 Dunbar. Everybody from both teams stood there for 10 minutes without moving and the Fenwick player missed a free throw to send it to overtime. How much preparation goes into that?......?
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Old 03-08-18, 02:08 PM
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Dunbar won the lawsuit
Does anyone know why Dunbar won the lawsuit ? IMO a judge is setting a bad precedent with this ruling, : don't have to follow the rules and if caught just file a lawsuit.
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Old 03-08-18, 02:21 PM
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Does anyone know why Dunbar won the lawsuit ? IMO a judge is setting a bad precedent with this ruling, : don't have to follow the rules and if caught just file a lawsuit.

There is a whole different thread on this.

State accused them of playing a student athlete that should have been suspended for 2-games. Said athlete was in the locker room during the fight and did not participate in the fight or leave the bench. The state made a mistake and Dunbar challenged that mistake and won.

The issue is that one kid and his whereabouts during the incident. That is the issue, cut and dry.
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Old 03-08-18, 03:43 PM
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There is a whole different thread on this.

State accused them of playing a student athlete that should have been suspended for 2-games. Said athlete was in the locker room during the fight and did not participate in the fight or leave the bench. The state made a mistake and Dunbar challenged that mistake and won.

The issue is that one kid and his whereabouts during the incident. That is the issue, cut and dry.
I firmly believe the Dunbar Head Coach lied to the court about John Doe being in the locker room.
The coach lied to get his team reinstated.
DPS even contradicted the coach’s FALSE testimony when they wrote in their filing that the reason John Doe left the bench was to avoid the altercation.
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Old 03-08-18, 03:50 PM
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I firmly believe the Dunbar Head Coach lied to the court about John Doe being in the locker room.
The coach lied to get his team reinstated.
DPS even contradicted the coach’s FALSE testimony when they wrote in their filing that the reason John Doe left the bench was to avoid the altercation.
I believe in the Easter bunnny too.

What you believe does not matter. The facts of the case do. Good Grief!
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Old 03-08-18, 07:47 PM
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DuMbar. Liars and cheats.
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Old 03-09-18, 06:06 AM
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I believe in the Easter bunnny too.

What you believe does not matter. The facts of the case do. Good Grief!
Not facts. Lies.
Just because O.J. was found Not Guilty doesn’t mean he didn’t murder his wife.
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Old 03-09-18, 07:39 AM
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The final score was 27-26 Dunbar. Everybody from both teams stood there for 10 minutes without moving and the Fenwick player missed a free throw to send it to overtime. How much preparation goes into that?......?
Maybe if they had been able to better prepare they would not have had to make a free throw just to get to overtime. I know most people do not like slow down basketball, but at times it has been proven to be the factor in winning a game or games. Just a side note, I hate the shot clock in basketball. Let us just run and gun!!!!!!!
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Old 03-09-18, 08:20 AM
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Not facts. Lies.
Just because O.J. was found Not Guilty doesn’t mean he didn’t murder his wife.
The OJ reference...Hmmmmm? Not relevant to HS boys basketball at all. SMH!

Kids accused was not on the court. He was in the locker room. Only 12 players were seen on the video. What other facts do you need?
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