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Old 03-25-18, 03:50 PM
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The local newspaper thing is so true. I miss the game stories and profile stories on the local kids. Not to mention box scores, statistical leaders, athlete of the week etc. It was always exciting to read about a friends kid or a neighbor who was profiled in the local paper.
That's true even in the city. The Enquirer used to have at least a paragraph or two on every single game in the area; a student from the home school would phone in a report on the game along with the box score, an Enquirer hack writer would turn it into a story and put it under the student's byline.

The change isn't just at the papers. Forty years ago we had a squad of four or five student statisticians working games (younger kids working the JV game and learning from the upperclassmen who did the varsity) and one of the perks of being head statistician was that byline in the paper. Now the stats are compiled after the fact by a coach looking at game film...if they're compiled at all. After a loss it tends to not even happen.
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Old 03-25-18, 03:57 PM
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When public teams are assembled like Deer Park, why would the student body invest an entire day to support kids that they have no investment in (and vice versa). I’m guessing MSML—an opposite case in building a team—had plenty of support.

And Fizz is correct: despite the effort and commitment we saw amongst young people in Washington DC yesterday, the vast majority of kids in our society never leave their home any more. It’s way too much effort, and if it doesn’t involve them, they could care less. That type of kid wasn’t attending ANY games this year—even If they were played at their high school a mile-and-a-half away.
According to OHSAA the D-4 Championship game was the best attended among the 4 Championship games even though it started at 10:45. That is somewhat surprising and has to be discouraging for OHSAA.
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Old 03-25-18, 04:07 PM
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That's not at all surprising. Marion Local brought a huge following, and I think more "casual" fans were interested in the D4 game due to the "David vs. Goliath" aspect of it.

Solon, Trotwood and Africentric killed the attendance in their respective games with the weak followings they brought. Saturday attendance would have been better if teams like Lorain, Lexington, Meadowbrook and Hiland survived the semi-finals.

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Old 03-25-18, 05:17 PM
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And a lot of the coaches (sitting in worst seats than long-retired school administrators, but I digress...) who have been in town since Thursday generally see this game and then head home. I know there was little appeal to the majority of the coaching fraternity in the D-3 game, and at that point why linger around till 5:45 for the D-2 game?
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Old 03-27-18, 04:46 PM
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The local newspaper thing is so true. I miss the game stories and profile stories on the local kids. Not to mention box scores, statistical leaders, athlete of the week etc. It was always exciting to read about a friends kid or a neighbor who was profiled in the local paper.
And the sad part is with the technology we have today stuff like this would be easier than ever.
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Old 03-27-18, 07:54 PM
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Varsity Club doesn't open until noon?

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Old 03-27-18, 09:30 PM
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Maybe the question we should ask about the State Finals is not how many were at the games but how many saw the games? Before they were broadcast live the max number who saw the games live were, what, 18,000? With live broadcast now how many see them live? Unless my team was there I would never go to the finals but I did watch some of the games on tv.
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Old 03-27-18, 10:36 PM
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Maybe the question we should ask about the State Finals is not how many were at the games but how many saw the games? Before they were broadcast live the max number who saw the games live were, what, 18,000? With live broadcast now how many see them live? Unless my team was there I would never go to the finals but I did watch some of the games on tv.
That's a great question and appears to be a tightly held secret.

Financially, as long as the OHSAA does not charge members a fee, the declining attendance isn't really a problem. I'm of the opinion that showing the games on television is growing the game and at some point, hopefully attendance will start to climb again. It does seem that the OHSAA needs to make both football, basketball, and wrestling bigger events for the state tournament to attract crowds that may not be interested in the actual matchups but want to have the championship weekend experience.

Personally, I would like to see lower ticket prices. Others have mentioned that it's not bad for individuals but a family of four (or more), it can be very expensive.
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Old 03-28-18, 05:41 AM
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It shouldn't be that difficult to find out numbers for households with cable that can get the televised games. I used to watch when they were on STO. We have DISH in our house and not cable. So, when the Ohio play-offs roll around I'll be watching play-off games from tsun, Illinois, Indiana, Colorado, Washington, California, Texas, West Virginia, Pennsylvania, anywhere that they are on. I watch them with the same interest, or lack there of, as if the team I support is not one of the participants.
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Old 03-28-18, 10:02 AM
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According to OHSAA the D-4 Championship game was the best attended among the 4 Championship games even though it started at 10:45. That is somewhat surprising and has to be discouraging for OHSAA.
Not surprising at all....as soon as ML won on Thursday I would have bet that the D4 final would be the biggest attendance on Saturday. ML brought the entire district....and ALOT of friends from aroudn the MAC. Throw in all the fans who wanted to see Cornerstone get beat and it's easy to see why the crowd was larger than the other games. Heck, at the end of the game everybody in the arena was a ML fan....except for the 200 or so C-stone faithful
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Old 03-28-18, 11:31 AM
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Not surprising at all....as soon as ML won on Thursday I would have bet that the D4 final would be the biggest attendance on Saturday. ML brought the entire district....and ALOT of friends from aroudn the MAC. Throw in all the fans who wanted to see Cornerstone get beat and it's easy to see why the crowd was larger than the other games. Heck, at the end of the game everybody in the arena was a ML fan....except for the 200 or so C-stone faithful
Not surprising ? Has the D-4 game ever had the biggest crowd at the tourney before this year ? On a side note the D-4 girls championship game also led the girls tourney in attendance.

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Old 03-28-18, 12:42 PM
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Before they were broadcast live the max number who saw the games live were, what, 18,000?
Is it true that games weren't broadcast at all before STO started doing it? I have a distinct recollection of watching a game on TV in Cincinnati one year in the 70s when we couldn't go to the tournament. I'm thinking it was a local broadcast, done because a local team (probably Elder) was playing. Did this happen anywhere else?
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Old 03-28-18, 02:11 PM
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Is it true that games weren't broadcast at all before STO started doing it? I have a distinct recollection of watching a game on TV in Cincinnati one year in the 70s when we couldn't go to the tournament. I'm thinking it was a local broadcast, done because a local team (probably Elder) was playing. Did this happen anywhere else?
The games were on Ohio New Network (ONN) before they went off the air.
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Old 03-28-18, 02:23 PM
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That's a great question and appears to be a tightly held secret.

Financially, as long as the OHSAA does not charge members a fee, the declining attendance isn't really a problem. I'm of the opinion that showing the games on television is growing the game and at some point, hopefully attendance will start to climb again. It does seem that the OHSAA needs to make both football, basketball, and wrestling bigger events for the state tournament to attract crowds that may not be interested in the actual matchups but want to have the championship weekend experience.

Personally, I would like to see lower ticket prices. Others have mentioned that it's not bad for individuals but a family of four (or more), it can be very expensive.
Gotta wonder how long that will last. Tournament revenue makes up 80% of the overall OHSAA revenue. Attendance keeps dropping, gotta make up that money somewhere.
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Old 03-28-18, 02:25 PM
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Not surprising ? Has the D-4 game ever had the biggest crowd at the tourney before this year ? On a side note the D-4 girls championship game also led the girls tourney in attendance.
I would bet the D4 game has had the largest attendance before if there have been any D4 games since they've played at the Schott with a Mercer/Shelby/Auglaize county team vs. a NWO team such as Lincolnview or a SEO team such as Oak Hill.

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Old 03-28-18, 02:34 PM
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The games were on Ohio New Network (ONN) before they went off the air.
Thanks, I'd forgotten that.

I'm sure what I'm talking about wasn't ONN, though, because it was long before the first cable systems. Elder games in '73 or '74. And maybe Lincoln Heights in '70; I was pretty young and my memory is fuzzy.

Back when every session was sold out, I guess is what I'm getting at. I don't know how many people those broadcasts reached but they certainly took no bite out of attendance.
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Old 03-28-18, 03:31 PM
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Keep in mind the weather on a Saturday wasn't great in cincinnati so many who planned on attending the Moeller game watched on TV instead. I will never understand how the families of players/ coaches get such crappy seats on the ends of the courts.
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Old 03-28-18, 03:44 PM
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Not surprising ? Has the D-4 game ever had the biggest crowd at the tourney before this year ? On a side note the D-4 girls championship game also led the girls tourney in attendance.
Not surprising based on the teams that were there in the other divisions. Typically D4 wouldn't be the largest crowd on Saturday....but knowing the teams in D2 and D3 I didn't expect them to top D4....and with the D1 game being so late on Saturday and the NCAA tourney going on it's always a crapshoot
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Old 03-28-18, 07:06 PM
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Back in 1964 we in grades 6-8 at Covington went to the gym to watch Piqua Catholic play Celina Immac Conception in the class A semifinals on tv. Both high schools are no more.
I doubt JH public school kids today are going to be allowed to watch two private schools play. Pretty sure WHIO covered it and I'm certain it was piggybacked onto the coverage of Dayton Belmont's AA semifinal coverage. Hoskins and May won their championship, pc lost to Ichs who then lost. I assume we watched so our basketball happy principle could watch the game , + PC's coach was former coach at Cov with many friends their.
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Old 03-28-18, 07:27 PM
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The games were on Ohio New Network (ONN) before they went off the air.
For a few years in the early 80s WXIX in Cincinnati had both the boys and girls championship games on I still have aVHS tape of Roger Bacon vs Barberton from 82 when I managed for Bacon Andy MacWilliams and Omar Williams called the game
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Old 03-28-18, 07:42 PM
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Up in NEO one of the local stations covered the finals way back. I remember watching Canton McKinley, Central-Hower, Barberton, East Tech, St Joe's on TV in the 70's-80's.
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Old 03-29-18, 08:47 AM
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Not surprising ? Has the D-4 game ever had the biggest crowd at the tourney before this year ? On a side note the D-4 girls championship game also led the girls tourney in attendance.
In the post-LeBron era (2004-2017), the D4 final had the largest attendance four times. The Saturday morning game (aka game 9) had the largest crowd nine of the fourteen years.
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Old 03-29-18, 12:32 PM
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The games were on Ohio New Network (ONN) before they went off the air.
Their broadcasts were terrible, including the announcers. I recall the man who started JJ Huddle was one.

But it was the only way to see the games at that time, so we endured!
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