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Old 10-05-18, 09:30 PM
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Anyone coach can look smart when you blitz every play after your opponent loses a starting offensive lineman. The entire game changed after Finley went out.
It's a big loss, the Center is usually responsible for making those Blitz calls. However, the Offense has to adjust their play calling accordingly. If you know Moe is bringing pressure up the middle, get the ball out quick on the edge.


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So dont you have to adjust? Keep a back in? Run a screen? Find where the blitzer is coming from and take advantage?
It's hard to remember a more streaky offense. When they're in sync and in rhythm they're extremely hard to stop. However, once staffs start to pickup on their tendencies, they can predict Elder's play calls with a high amount of accuracy.
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Old 10-05-18, 10:07 PM
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To many Moe Defenders in Elder backfield tonight. Saw a number of sacks while only rushing 3. Elder D was pretty solid.
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Old 10-05-18, 10:15 PM
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To many Moe Defenders in Elder backfield tonight. Saw a number of sacks while only rushing 3. Elder D was pretty solid.
That was the difference. I keep thinking of the play, Elder nearly has Moeller’s QB sacked, he gets the ball off the last second a places it in a perfect spot that led to a big gain and Moe scoring the tieing TD.

Bittner nearly broke free a few times on that last drive but just couldn’t get rid of the ball.
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Old 10-05-18, 10:23 PM
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That was the difference. I keep thinking of the play, Elder nearly has Moellerís QB sacked, he gets the ball off the last second a places it in a perfect spot that led to a big gain and Moe scoring the tieing TD.

Bittner nearly broke free a few times on that last drive but just couldnít get rid of the ball.
That last possession he didnít stand much of chance. In that drive even when given minimal time they were moving the ball. Have to hold the line enough on final 4th down to at least get a real play off.
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Old 10-05-18, 10:26 PM
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Elder had 4 possessions in the 2nd half that went:
TD
INT in red zone
3 and out
Downs to end game

I don't think it had to do with adjustments - they put up over 400 yards of offense didn't they? Three things hurt the Elder offense - sacks, penalties and turnovers. Both turnovers from the sounds of it were due to pressure, all are correctable.

It seemed like Moeller did make a few adjustments in the 2nd half offensively as they went:
3 and out
FG
TD
FG
Knee to end game

When did Finley go out - was that end of 3rd Qtr or later in the game? That definitely hurt but Elder moved the ball again on the final drive. The sack on 2nd down was something they couldn't overcome.
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Old 10-05-18, 10:29 PM
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Elder had 4 possessions in the 2nd half that went:
TD
INT in red zone
3 and out
Downs to end game

I don't think it had to do with adjustments - they put up over 400 yards of offense didn't they? Three things hurt the Elder offense - sacks, penalties and turnovers. Both turnovers from the sounds of it were due to pressure, all are correctable.

It seemed like Moeller did make a few adjustments in the 2nd half offensively as they went:
3 and out
FG
TD
FG
Knee to end game

When did Finley go out - was that end of 3rd Qtr or later in the game? That definitely hurt but Elder moved the ball again on the final drive. The sack on 2nd down was something they couldn't overcome.
I want to say that was end of Q3, same drive they threw the Int.
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Old 10-05-18, 10:31 PM
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That last possession he didn’t stand much of chance. In that drive even when given minimal time they were moving the ball. Have to hold the line enough on final 4th down to at least get a real play off.
To be fair, Trischler and Royer made some incredible plays on that drive. Most of the time that ball Royer caught gets picked off, he just happens to be an incredible athlete.
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Old 10-05-18, 10:38 PM
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7 penalties is definitely way to many, about 380 Yds total offense.
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Old 10-05-18, 10:41 PM
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To be fair, Trischler and Royer made some incredible plays on that drive. Most of the time that ball Royer caught gets picked off, he just happens to be an incredible athlete.
They did awesome, with little to no time to execute the plays that they did!
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Old 10-05-18, 10:48 PM
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7 penalties is definitely way to many, about 380 Yds total offense.
At least 5-6 were major penalties (1 PI, 2 Facemask, 2-3 holds). And they were legit, no doubt penalties.
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Old 10-05-18, 10:49 PM
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They did awesome, with little to no time to execute the plays that they did!
And even if Elder had their Kicker, no way do you let a HS kid kick a 50 yd FG to tie the game unless itís the absolute last play of the game.
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Old 10-05-18, 10:54 PM
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At least 5-6 were major penalties (1 PI, 2 Facemask, 2-3 holds). And they were legit, no doubt penalties.
For sure. 78 yds in penalties way to many for game like that. Oh well, need to find a way to block better. Next week wonít be easy.
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Old 10-06-18, 12:17 AM
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How about Moeller's punter? That kid changed the field three times with his leg; each punt had a perfect spiral, and 4/5 of his kickoffs were touchbacks. The value of special teams
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Old 10-06-18, 06:09 AM
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I could be wrong but Moe's #99 was the punter and the kicker was #1. Either way, the duo was very impressive and difference makers in the game.

Very few realize how impactful special teams are, until you see a team with average kicking, go up against a team with exceptional kicking. Hopefully the injured Elder kicker can come back at some point this season but he is still on crutches and does not look close.
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Old 10-06-18, 07:50 AM
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A couple dropped passes caught, a couple penalties not made, the one bad sack avoided and we would have won that game. OL were pressed pretty hard by a great Moeller DL.

A heart breaker.
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Old 10-06-18, 03:06 PM
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I could be wrong but Moe's #99 was the punter and the kicker was #1. Either way, the duo was very impressive and difference makers in the game.

Very few realize how impactful special teams are, until you see a team with average kicking, go up against a team with exceptional kicking. Hopefully the injured Elder kicker can come back at some point this season but he is still on crutches and does not look close.
I heard he would be back. Not trying to attempt a guess at his injury, but it is possible to be on crutches with some type of sprain. Again, no knowledge at all of the situation, not trying to make any specific guesses, only saying it could be a sprain of some sort.

Honestly, Elderís ST were fine, Moeís happened to be exceptional. Almost a day later and this loss still stings. Everything was set up perfectly to win the GCL and head in to the playoffs with a ton of momentum.
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Old 10-07-18, 11:47 AM
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Bittner has taken a beating this year (and last). Tough kid.

Can't run QB draws every other play and expect good things. I don't get it.
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Old 10-07-18, 01:25 PM
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Bittner has taken a beating this year (and last). Tough kid.

Can't run QB draws every other play and expect good things. I don't get it.
Not all of them were called QB runs. However, of his 20 rushing attempts, if half are designed runs, thatís pushing it. I also understand that Massminsterís success has been predicated on Defenses keying on Bittner, so itís not simply a matter of getting Massminster more touches. Elderís going to have to run more WR screens on the edge, get the ball out quicker and in space.
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Old 10-07-18, 03:29 PM
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Bittner very good and I reckon Elder tough but 125 Rushing Attempts for a QB is insane. The competition along with size and strength of opponents has to be really taking its toll on his body.
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Old 10-07-18, 05:14 PM
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Bittner very good and I reckon Elder tough but 125 Rushing Attempts for a QB is insane. The competition along with size and strength of opponents has to be really taking its toll on his body.
A lot of those runs are on short yardage downs. This is where Elder misses having a power back. When theyíve run Massminster in short yardage, Iíd say they may convert half those downs. I think that is due to running plays taking longer to develop out of the Shotgun.

Regardless, theyíre going to have to start working Massminster more carries.
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