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Old 09-07-17, 04:49 PM
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Preseason NCAA rankings

Preseason NCAA rankings are starting to come in. Flo has been trickling out a weight a day (Mon-Fri). WIN just rolled out their full rankings today, but it seems like they've forgotten a few people. They don't have Suriano ranked, so maybe they're the only people in the world who haven't heard that he's wrestling for Rutgers this year. They also have Micah Jordan at 149 and no Ke-Shawn Hayes in tOSU line up. All of this can be forgiven at this point in the preseason. If you want the early spread on the PSU and tOSU match up from WIN, it's PSU at 118 and tOSU at 111.5. That's 6.5 plus bonus points.

Updated to show WIN, Flo, TOM and IM

Here's where tOSU are ranked by WIN / Flo / TOM / IM:
125 Nate 2nd / 1st / 3rd / 1st
133 Luke 12th / 9th / 10th / 10th
141 McKenna 7th / 6th / 7th / 7th
149 (WIN) Micah 3rd / (Flo) Ke-Shawn 9th / (TOM) Ke-Shawn 17th (IM) Ke-Shawn 15
157 (Flo) Micah 4th / 6th / 5th
165 Campbell 13th /12th / 10th / 8th
174 Bo 2nd / 3rd / 2nd / 3rd
184 MyMar 2nd / 2nd / 2nd 2nd
197 Moore 1st / 1st / 1st /1st
285 Captain America 1st / 1st / 1st 1st

I'll update this as other venues roll out the rankings.

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Old 09-07-17, 05:08 PM
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WIN's rankings are a little off at the beginning of the year in regards to freshmen as well. For instance, at 141 they have Rohlfing at 17 and Kanen Storr at 18, even though Storr has a head to head win (not to mention someone like Chad Red who has a win over Rohlfing too). Also, WIN only has 6 freshmen ranked, which doesn't include guys like Sebastian Rivera at 125
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Old 09-07-17, 05:12 PM
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WIN's rankings are a little off at the beginning of the year in regards to freshmen as well. For instance, at 141 they have Rohlfing at 17 and Kanen Storr at 18, even though Storr has a head to head win (not to mention someone like Chad Red who has a win over Rohlfing too). Also, WIN only has 6 freshmen ranked, which doesn't include guys like Sebastian Rivera at 125
And most venues, including WIN and Flo, don't rank true freshmen in the preseason.
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Old 09-07-17, 05:22 PM
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And most venues, including WIN and Flo, don't rank true freshmen in the preseason.
Yup- gotta think names like Yianni Diakomihalis and Nick Lee have a decent impact this year. Tough to tell who is starting too
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Old 09-07-17, 06:29 PM
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Yup- gotta think names like Yianni Diakomihalis and Nick Lee have a decent impact this year. Tough to tell who is starting too
I can't imagine Yianni not RS'ing to let the weight clear out somewhat. Nick Lee could find his way on the mat for PSU, although he's no Mark Hall and I see him as a bubble guy (7-12), although he could do better. 141 is considered one of the deepest and toughest weights. It likely depends on how much better he is than Cortez (not ranked by Flo or WIN). If Lee gets the nod, then maybe Cortez goes 133 and Keener goes 125. This is the ideal lineup for PSU but I don't know if either could drop, and neither is a world beater if they do, But it would be an upgrade at 125.

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Old 09-07-17, 07:44 PM
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Old 09-08-17, 06:12 AM
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Why does Flo have Hayes at 149? I really think he will be the 141 while McKenna will be the 149.
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Old 09-08-17, 01:52 PM
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Why does Flo have Hayes at 149? I really think he will be the 141 while McKenna will be the 149.
I think the best of the two go 141 and the other will go 149. And I think McKenna is the better of the two.

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Old 09-08-17, 03:07 PM
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Why does Flo have Hayes at 149? I really think he will be the 141 while McKenna will be the 149.
Fake News at this point and time, lol
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Old 09-08-17, 09:47 PM
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Old 09-09-17, 08:26 AM
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I can't imagine Yianni not RS'ing to let the weight clear out somewhat. Nick Lee could find his way on the mat for PSU, although he's no Mark Hall and I see him as a bubble guy (7-12), although he could do better. 141 is considered one of the deepest and toughest weights. It likely depends on how much better he is than Cortez (not ranked by Flo or WIN). If Lee gets the nod, then maybe Cortez goes 133 and Keener goes 125. This is the ideal lineup for PSU but I don't know if either could drop, and neither is a world beater if they do, But it would be an upgrade at 125.
Yianni has already stated on more than one occasion that he is not redshirting and will wrestle right away.
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Old 09-09-17, 09:58 AM
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Yianni has already stated on more than one occasion that he is not redshirting and will wrestle right away.
That will add depth and talent to an already stacked weight. He will make it that much tougher for Lee to AA. Could he pose a threat to McKenna? Of course, but so could many others at this weight. If McKenna's on (NCAA 3rd as a freshman), he could pose a threat to Heil (two OT loses to Heil). If he's not on (NCAA R12 as a sophomore), he could be off the podium.
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Old 09-09-17, 07:50 PM
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I can't imagine Yianni not RS'ing to let the weight clear out somewhat. Nick Lee could find his way on the mat for PSU, although he's no Mark Hall and I see him as a bubble guy (7-12), although he could do better. 141 is considered one of the deepest and toughest weights. It likely depends on how much better he is than Cortez (not ranked by Flo or WIN). If Lee gets the nod, then maybe Cortez goes 133 and Keener goes 125. This is the ideal lineup for PSU but I don't know if either could drop, and neither is a world beater if they do, But it would be an upgrade at 125.
Yianni is at Cornell, which is an Ivy League school and doesn't allow redshirting. Now, some of Cornell's recruits do what Darmstadt did last year, which is to "grayshirt" by enrolling in the nearby community college and wrestling with the Finger Lakes Wrestling Club, but Yianni is on Cornell's roster, which means he is enrolled and presumably in the lineup this year.
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Old 09-11-17, 07:31 AM
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Old 09-13-17, 07:06 AM
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Old 09-13-17, 09:57 AM
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Something I realized when looking at this weight- Bo Jordan has only lost to people who have made NCAA finals (Ringer, Zeke, Realbuto, Marky). Would be a little crazy and a little sad if he finished his career that was without winning an NCAA title.
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Old 09-13-17, 10:20 AM
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Something I realized when looking at this weight- Bo Jordan has only lost to people who have made NCAA finals (Ringer, Zeke, Realbuto, Marky). Would be a little crazy and a little sad if he finished his career that was without winning an NCAA title.
I like to believe that this is the year he gets it done. I know he was nursing an injury for a large part of last year. I think if this injury is behind him he will be the best at this weight. I was somewhat surprised with how he wrestled last year. I thought that he would be quicker when he moved up a weight, but it didn't appear so. Also, it seemed that he lost his dominance in the top position. I'm not sure how much of this was injury related. And, BTW, he didn't have that bad of a year going 18-2 with a B10 title (over the eventual NCAA champ) and a NCAA runner-up (his best finish at the big show).

How much fun would it be to see Bo and Hall in the final match with the team title on the line. Or, better yet, 184 slotted as the final match for all the money with Bo vs. Hall at 174 followed by MyMar vs. Nickal at 184.
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Old 09-13-17, 10:26 AM
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I like to believe that this is the year he gets it done. I know he was nursing an injury for a large part of last year. I think if this injury is behind him he could be the best at this weight. I was somewhat surprised with how he wrestled last year. I thought that he would be quicker when he moved up a weight, but it didn't appear so. Also, it seemed that he lost his dominance in the top position. I'm not sure how much of this was injury related. And, BTW, he didn't have that bad of a year going 18-2 with a B10 title (over the eventual NCAA champ) and a NCAA runner-up (his best finish at the big show).

How much fun would it be to see Bo and Hall in the final match with the team title on the line. Or, better yet, 184 slotted as the final match for all the money with Bo / Hall at 174 followed by MyMar / Nickal at 184.
There could be a bunch of great matchups in the finals next year. Theoretically, it could be something like this:

125: NaTo vs Cruz (2 NCAA champs)
133: Gross/Brock/Micic
141: Dean Heil vs Joey McKenna/Kevin Jack
149: Zain vs Sorensen
157: Nolf vs Kemerer/Mickey
165: IMar vs Cenzo
174: Hall/Valencia/BoJo
184: Nickal vs MyMar
197: Moore vs (secretly hoping for Pat Downey)
285: Snyder vs whoever

That's a pretty good product. Three matchups of NCAA champ vs NCAA champ, every weight but 197 returning a finalist.
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Old 09-13-17, 10:31 AM
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There could be a bunch of great matchups in the finals next year. Theoretically, it could be something like this:

125: NaTo vs Cruz (2 NCAA champs)
133: Gross/Brock/Micic
141: Dean Heil vs Joey McKenna/Kevin Jack
149: Zain vs Sorensen
157: Nolf vs Kemerer/Mickey
165: IMar vs Cenzo
174: Hall/Valencia/BoJo
184: Nickal vs MyMar
197: Moore vs (secretly hoping for Pat Downey)
285: Snyder vs whoever


That's a pretty good product. Three matchups of NCAA champ vs NCAA champ, every weight but 197 returning a finalist.
And potentially 7 Buckeyes in the finals, per your post. I like it.
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Old 09-13-17, 10:47 AM
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And potentially 7 Buckeyes in the finals, per your post. I like it.
I think three "for sure" (barring injury/fluke stuff) in NaTo, Moore, and Snyder. BoJo and Myles is the next tier with Mickey then McKenna. It's a good team, though. It's a team that would probably win an NCAA title if 6 make the finals (although I could see Penn State putting the same five in the finals, so it's still close).

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Old 09-14-17, 10:20 AM
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Really hope Abounader pulls through this year. Michigan looks to have a really good team and it's his last year.

Michigan's lineup, by the way:

125: Assad
133: Micic
141: Profaci/Fisher
149: Hall/Amine
157: Pantaleo
165: Massa
174: Amine
184: Abounader
197: Beazley
285: Coon

Six former AA's + Abounader is gooood. Fourth place finish and a trophy not out of the realm of possibilities.
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Old 09-14-17, 10:41 AM
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Really hope Abounader pulls through this year. Michigan looks to have a really good team and it's his last year.

Michigan's lineup, by the way:

125: Assad
133: Micic
141: Profaci/Fisher
149: Hall/Amine
157: Pantaleo
165: Massa
174: Amine
184: Abounader
197: Beazley
285: Coon

Six former AA's + Abounader is gooood. Fourth place finish and a trophy not out of the realm of possibilities.
WIN actually had Michigan at 3rd in the team race and OkS 4th. WIN somehow missed OkS's Joe Smith at 157, but if you give him a 6th there as Flo did, Michigan is still ahead of OkS. When I do my rankings this year, I'm dropping Iowa and inserting Michigan. WIN had Iowa 10th in the team race in their preseason poll, so it's hard to include them other than for the purpose of humiliation. I'm amazed that Brands is keeping his job.

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Old 09-14-17, 11:21 AM
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WIN actually had Michigan at 3rd in the team race and OkS 4th. WIN somehow missed OkS's Joe Smith at 157, but if you give him a 6th there as Flo did, Michigan is still ahead of OkS. When I do my rankings this year, I'm dropping Iowa and inserting Michigan. WIN had Iowa 12th in the team race in their preseason poll, so it's hard to include them other than for the purpose of humiliation. I'm amazed that Brands is keeping his job.
Iowa's situation is weird. Sorensen and Kemerer are for sure AA's. Gotta think Stoll is there if healthy. Marinelli looks to be in position to be right there. If Downey makes it on campus he is an AA at 197. Now here's where my speculation begins; if Spencer Lee isn't injured he is an All-American at 125. Also, Seth Gross would have started at 141 for them (133 next year) if he didn't get caught up in that legal stuff. They knew he was a stud, it just wasn't the place for him maybe. So they could have five All-Americans this year, which is a good year. Two things break their way and they are a top 5 team though.
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Old 09-14-17, 11:33 AM
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Iowa's situation is weird. Sorensen and Kemerer are for sure AA's. Gotta think Stoll is there if healthy. Marinelli looks to be in position to be right there. If Downey makes it on campus he is an AA at 197. Now here's where my speculation begins; if Spencer Lee isn't injured he is an All-American at 125. Also, Seth Gross would have started at 141 for them (133 next year) if he didn't get caught up in that legal stuff. They knew he was a stud, it just wasn't the place for him maybe. So they could have five All-Americans this year, which is a good year. Two things break their way and they are a top 5 team though.

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Yeah, my point was no injury means another AA for a team if Brands was worried about his job
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Iowa's situation is weird. Sorensen and Kemerer are for sure AA's. Gotta think Stoll is there if healthy. Marinelli looks to be in position to be right there. If Downey makes it on campus he is an AA at 197. Now here's where my speculation begins; if Spencer Lee isn't injured he is an All-American at 125. Also, Seth Gross would have started at 141 for them (133 next year) if he didn't get caught up in that legal stuff. They knew he was a stud, it just wasn't the place for him maybe. So they could have five All-Americans this year, which is a good year. Two things break their way and they are a top 5 team though.
And don't forget about Kaleb Young. Not at the level of the top 4 at 174, but wouldn't be surprised to see him get into the top 10 before the season is over.
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I like to believe that this is the year he gets it done. I know he was nursing an injury for a large part of last year. I think if this injury is behind him he will be the best at this weight. I was somewhat surprised with how he wrestled last year. I thought that he would be quicker when he moved up a weight, but it didn't appear so. Also, it seemed that he lost his dominance in the top position. I'm not sure how much of this was injury related. And, BTW, he didn't have that bad of a year going 18-2 with a B10 title (over the eventual NCAA champ) and a NCAA runner-up (his best finish at the big show).

How much fun would it be to see Bo and Hall in the final match with the team title on the line. Or, better yet, 184 slotted as the final match for all the money with Bo vs. Hall at 174 followed by MyMar vs. Nickal at 184.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't it the same injury he has had since after his rs frosh season? If so that makes it.a.chronic injury and likely not gonna go away for.this season either. If you think of that and the fact that he is a husband and a father of 2 he has accomplished an awful lot on the mat.
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