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Old 02-15-19, 10:56 AM
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Exclamation EOAC Season 3

Seen the schedules are now out for the upcoming 2019 season.

Foster's Bulldogs have 2 D4 teams on the schedule, one is a date filler for Toronto's spot. This season the Dogs have 6 home games. I was surprised to see 2 of the D7 schools still have Toronto OOL, yet Leetonia did the most bellyaching.

Columbiana has a decent OOL as usual. Spaite will have 2 former HC's on his staff. I'd lay odds one will succeed him eventually.

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Old 02-15-19, 02:34 PM
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Columbiana should be pretty good, without knowing what’s coming back to others I won’t say favorite. Cross is a good qb and Franken is a playmaker at WR, iirc they were light on seniors last year too. They better be ready for week 1, Manchester was a D5 regional finalist and have a D1 running back in Ethan Wright. I have to laugh when Spaite said he didn’t want to play WR week 1 anymore because they were too good to play out of the chute, but then pick up Manchester
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Old 02-15-19, 02:39 PM
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Columbiana should be pretty good, without knowing what’s coming back to others I won’t say favorite. Cross is a good qb and Franken is a playmaker at WR, iirc they were light on seniors last year too. They better be ready for week 1, Manchester was a D5 regional finalist and have a D1 running back in Ethan Wright. I have to laugh when Spaite said he didn’t want to play WR week 1 anymore because they were too good to play out of the chute, but then pick up Manchester
Spaite has a habit of shooting himself in the foot once in awhile.

Actually, Columbiana has to be the early favorite, EP will be better than what most think after the Parker and Posey era, but not a contender. Dogs have Girard, Reserve, Campbell, and Conneaut as OOL. Conneaut took Toronto's spot on the schedule.
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Old 02-15-19, 08:28 PM
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EP is going to have a very rough season....
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Old 02-16-19, 04:23 AM
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EP is going to have a very rough season....
Maybe so, they definitely won't be a contender.
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Old 02-17-19, 07:24 AM
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I’d say it’s between Southern, United, and Columbiana again as the favorites. I’m also curious to see how the Bulldogs look without Sherry and Posey. Leetonia, Wellsville and Lisbon will continue to struggle verse the bigger teams. The split is coming. Also, Bulldog, I believe that makes 3 former head coaches on staff for Spaite. I was told Wolf was also a head coach before too.
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Old 02-17-19, 09:38 AM
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I was told Wolf was also a head coach before too.
Ok, I stand corrected. Thanks 'hoodie.

Yes, the split is coming, it's year 3. Once the funny money at Southern runs dry, they will be a has been.
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Old 02-18-19, 03:09 PM
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Spaite has a habit of shooting himself in the foot once in awhile.

Actually, Columbiana has to be the early favorite, EP will be better than what most think after the Parker and Posey era, but not a contender. Dogs have Girard, Reserve, Campbell, and Conneaut as OOL. Conneaut took Toronto's spot on the schedule.
I wasnít really meaning it as a shot at Columbiana/Spaite, just a funny observation. I actually really enjoy playing them and hope McDonald/Columbiana is a week 2 mainstay. The Clippers problem this year is given their OOC slate, they may need to run the table in the EOAC to even get in the playoffs, unless there is big changes to region 21 with the new enrollment numbers. At Manchester, McDonald, at Springfield is a very tough start to the year
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Old 02-19-19, 08:07 AM
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1. S.Local and Columbiana for the championship
2. United could contend
3. Everybody else.
-I agree a split is and should be coming, soon due to these small schools being unable to compete.
-Say what you want, Spaite is the best coach in the EOAC, period.
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Old 02-19-19, 09:45 AM
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For the size of schools in the league all seem to have good coaches. DJ Ogilvie United, Rich Wright Southern, and Paul Hullah Leetonia have all done well and could coach in a lot of leagues and do well. I agree with BOP, Spaite may be the best but the others mentioned make his job harder. Foster at EP has done well and Lisbon & Wellsville coaches just getting started a good league with quality coaches but I think it will fold because of the number differences and facilities.
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Old 02-19-19, 10:13 AM
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-I agree a split is and should be coming, soon due to these small schools being unable to compete.
-Say what you want, Spaite is the best coach in the EOAC, period.
That split is inevitable.

Spaite as far as being the best, is also the longest continuous at any of the league schools. He's also noted to knowing more about the rule book than what is printed in it.
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Old 02-19-19, 10:57 AM
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There are some very good coaches in the league, very successful coaches. I say Spaite because it seems like he always has competitive teams and they always seem to win a game they should not. With Hulea returning I look for Leetonia to continue to get better and upset someone this year even bigger than their win over Wellsville last year. Ogilvie did better than most expected last year and I think will have United at the top of the league to stay very soon. They have the numbers. Wright does whatever it takes to win (wink) and wins no matter where he is coaching at. Good coaching abounds in the EOAC.
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Old 02-19-19, 11:34 AM
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There are some very good coaches in the league, very successful coaches. I say Spaite because it seems like he always has competitive teams and they always seem to win a game they should not. With Hulea returning I look for Leetonia to continue to get better and upset someone this year even bigger than their win over Wellsville last year. Ogilvie did better than most expected last year and I think will have United at the top of the league to stay very soon. They have the numbers. Wright does whatever it takes to win (wink) and wins no matter where he is coaching at. Good coaching abounds in the EOAC.
Tslimois had competitive teams.
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Old 02-20-19, 08:31 AM
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Tslimois had competitive teams.
Tsilimos was better than some think. He ran a no nonsense, no fluff football program. Hard nosed football at its best.
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Old 02-20-19, 10:04 AM
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Tsilimos was better than some think. He ran a no nonsense, no fluff football program. Hard nosed football at its best.
In fairness, the only other one who was continually productive was Artie Altomare at Leetonia, he had some good respectable teams.

EP has had a revolving door at coaching until Foster. EP hasn't had stability in coaching since Parker back in the 80's and 90's. Tony brings that stability back.
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Old 02-21-19, 09:13 PM
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Artie WAS Leetonia!!! Football coach, Mayor, he was well-liked and did a great job in coaching the Bears. They were a hard-nosed, physical team then.


I think Southern should be the pre-season favorite since they return almost all of their skill players from a league champion and playoff team. Columbiana and United will also be at the top of the league in 2019.
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Old 02-22-19, 08:56 AM
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Artie WAS Leetonia!!! Football coach, Mayor, he was well-liked and did a great job in coaching the Bears. They were a hard-nosed, physical team then.


I think Southern should be the pre-season favorite since they return almost all of their skill players from a league champion and playoff team. Columbiana and United will also be at the top of the league in 2019.
Disagree, Columbiana will be the next champ.

Can and will someone please explain to me once again, the CB numbers. Are all 4 grades now included in the count, not the 3 grades that use to be considered?
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Old 02-22-19, 12:17 PM
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I read on here the popular opinion that a split is coming due to disparity in school size, my question is what is the alternative for the schools who leave, and for the ones that are left. Due to geography it's not easy to find a good fit for some of these schools, ask Crestview how easy it was to find a league to play in.
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Old 02-22-19, 01:03 PM
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New enrollment numbers are up. These are not including CB.

United- 143
EP- 132 (looks really likely they’ll be down to D6)
Columbiana- 126
Southern- 113
Lisbon- 100
Wellsville- 76
Leetonia- 73

For reference, MVAC

Waterloo- 165
Springfield- 138
Mineral Ridge- 110
Western Reserve- 104
McDonald- 97 (looks like they’ll be down to D7 like I thought)
Jackson-Milton- 96
Sebring- 65
Lowellville- 49 (this seems off, if true, almost a 30 student decline in 3 years)
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Old 02-22-19, 01:05 PM
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Wouldn't the D7s be able to attract the smaller schools from the MVAC?
Does EP or United look to get in a bigger school league?
Does Columbiana try to stay with the smaller schools or join a larger scenerio?

Hints abound of a split - well what would really split? goegraphy or enrollment?
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Old 02-22-19, 02:54 PM
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I think the thing the larger schools need to think about is going to a league which offers the sports they do and have enough kids to field teams.
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Old 02-22-19, 08:31 PM
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Disagree, Columbiana will be the next champ.

Can and will someone please explain to me once again, the CB numbers. Are all 4 grades now included in the count, not the 3 grades that use to be considered?
Unless an administrator screws up and submits the number for all 4 grades, grades 9-11 are the ones still used in the base enrollment count. That's the preliminary batch of numbers released the other day. Competitive balance adjustments apply to the entire football roster, including freshmen. It will be a little while until we know what those numbers look like for all the schools in the state.
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Old 02-22-19, 09:12 PM
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Unless an administrator screws up and submits the number for all 4 grades, grades 9-11 are the ones still used in the base enrollment count. That's the preliminary batch of numbers released the other day. Competitive balance adjustments apply to the entire football roster, including freshmen. It will be a little while until we know what those numbers look like for all the schools in the state.
Right, it wonít be for a little while that the CB numbers and new divisions will be released. Still though you can use last years CB and division cutoffs to get a rough ballpark. Like last year EPís CB number was 2, and the cutoff for D5 was 159, so unless they have a drastic change in their CB number theyíll be D6. In general for this league Iíd say EP, United, and Columbiana are all pretty safe D6, Southern extremely likely D6 but not guaranteed, Lisbon will be border D6/7, Wellsville and Leetonia will be D7
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Old 02-23-19, 04:37 AM
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Unless an administrator screws up and submits the number for all 4 grades, grades 9-11 are the ones still used in the base enrollment count. That's the preliminary batch of numbers released the other day. Competitive balance adjustments apply to the entire football roster, including freshmen. It will be a little while until we know what those numbers look like for all the schools in the state.
Ok, thanks, that's where I was getting all 4 grades at the CB adjustment.
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Old 02-23-19, 04:53 PM
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United getting a couple of players back from West Branch should be interesting. Hilyer could be a difference maker.
They should have some really good skill players but big games are won in the trenches.
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Old 02-23-19, 08:58 PM
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Disagree, Columbiana will be the next champ.
Wait a second.....your the one that said that Spaite tends to shoot himself in the foot. I figure he will do it again against either United or Southern in a tight game.

I think the MVAC schools are just fine with their current situation and have no inclination to bring in any EOAC schools. The EOAC boxed themselves into a corner with the ITCL breakup with no real geographic back-ups if members leave.

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Old 02-23-19, 09:48 PM
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Wait a second.....your the one that said that Spaite tend to shot himself in the foot. I figure he will do it again against either United or Southern in a tight game.

I think the MVAC schools are just fine with their current situation and have no inclination to bring in any EOAC schools. The EOAC boxed themselves into a corner with the ITCL breakup with no real geographic back-ups if members leave.
Couldn't agree more, they may have a real dilemma in the near future
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Couldn't agree more, they may have a real dilemma in the near future
EAOC really would be up sheet creek.

MVAC is in WAY better shape. If teams started bailing, they could pick from any of the following:

Southeast, Field, Mogadore, Rootstown, Windham, Garfield, Crestwood.

Southington, Newton Falls, LaBrae, Champion, Campbell, Brookfield, Mathews, even JFK.

I'm sure they could snag plenty of these teams.

The EACO could be very short-lived.
Could be a real mess.

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Old 02-24-19, 08:08 AM
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Wait a second.....your the one that said that Spaite tends to shoot himself in the foot. I figure he will do it again against either United or Southern in a tight game.
He does.
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Old 02-24-19, 08:26 AM
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The EACO could be very short-lived.
Could be a real mess.

It's well known, it's a mess. Toronto left, Leetonia whining, surely Wellsville will be next. Lisbon has a class of only 40 coming in a few years.

There is no real answer anymore, none. Either live with it, or go it alone. I do see Crapview being in the mix in the next 5 years as their open enrollment thefts are slowing down and the Rubbles are still comparable size (hard count) as United, Columbiana and EP. Traveling to Trumbull County every week for the AAC will get monotonous. Not too dissimilar to when EP was in the Trumbull AA.
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