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Old 07-10-18, 08:07 AM
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The Elam Ending - New Way to End Basketball Games

http://www.wbur.org/onlyagame/2017/0...urnament-mugar

A proposal for a new way to end basketball games, avoiding the foul-fest that most games experience.

Very interesting read.
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Old 07-10-18, 08:59 AM
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That's a plan I could go for. It might also answer some of the complaints about low scoring, stall ball, type games.
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Old 07-10-18, 08:09 PM
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Occam's Razor: publish the stats saying foul tactic only works 1% of the time, so then maybe the less than geniouses will move on to a tactic that involves trying to steal the ball or rush the ahead team's shot.
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Old 07-11-18, 05:26 AM
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Sounds interesting. Combine this idea with Corn Hole rules and it just might work.

The idea would be the winning team has to land exactly on the correct final score. Let's say it is 66 - 60 at the four minute to play mark (which would quickly become the end of timed regulation) , so the target score is 66 plus 7 equals 73. In order to win the game the team cannot score more than 73. If they do, they have to go back to 66 and try again. This insures to win a game, you have to hit a 3 or just 1 free throw, you can't win with only two point shots.

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Old 07-11-18, 07:22 AM
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Any rule changes like this seem to me to punish the team that played well for the first 45 minutes of the game and want to run out the clock with the game in hand. How is a team supposed to come back in the final few minutes? Play better during the first 45 minutes of the game! It is frustrating to watch teams slow it down. But if there is enough of a margin, the teams have subs in on both sides to get experience. That would be lost under this suggested system. To me, the comical part is when they start fouling the other team off the ball; trying to get the poor free throw shooters to the line. IMO, if you HAD to change the rules, I would consider a rule that in the last 2-3 minutes of the game, if a player is fouled off the ball, then the team has the option of shooting free throws or taking the ball out of bounds. I realize that is benefiting the team with the lead by allowing them to keep a player on the court who can't shoot free throws. But, IMO, if I were the opposing coach, I'd prefer giving my team the chance to steal an inbound pass rather than to rely on someone missing FT's anyway. It's not a perfect solution, but if you are trying to address the issue, this is a less radical idea than is being suggested in the article.

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Old 07-11-18, 01:20 PM
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I like this idea. The only problem with it is that none of the sanctioning bodies (NBA, NCAA, NFHS) where this happens the most often will consider it.
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Old 07-11-18, 03:09 PM
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I stopped reading the article when I saw the word "Mensa".
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Old 07-11-18, 03:37 PM
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I stopped reading the article when I saw the word "Mensa".
Agreed about that. A dumb person can come up with a great idea and a smart person can come up with a dumb idea. It really doesn't matter the intelligence of the person coming up with the idea and it's rather lazy of the person writing the article to think it should impact our opinion.
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Old 07-12-18, 09:56 AM
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Agreed about that. A dumb person can come up with a great idea and a smart person can come up with a dumb idea. It really doesn't matter the intelligence of the person coming up with the idea and it's rather lazy of the person writing the article to think it should impact our opinion.
Hey, wait just a dang a minute... You said you liked my idea... So is this a shot at me!?! LOL...
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Old 07-12-18, 10:43 AM
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I'm dumber than rocks...
does that make me a Asnem?

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Old 07-22-18, 09:24 PM
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Watching the TBT, I really like it. It is neat how the game must end with an offensive score. Weird that the concept of OT would be gone. Also the who intentional foul chaos goes away. Could guys 9 to 12 get in any game with the score under 20?
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Old 07-22-18, 09:51 PM
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One change that I would make to the original idea. Instead of stopping the game with 4 minutes left, just stop it when the clock runs out. You can still add the 7 points to the leading team's score and make that the final target for the game.

Stopping with 4 minutes left seems to be meaningless. Just adjust the clock accordingly and make sure everyone understands how the game will be played.
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Old 07-23-18, 08:26 AM
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One change that I would make to the original idea. Instead of stopping the game with 4 minutes left, just stop it when the clock runs out. You can still add the 7 points to the leading team's score and make that the final target for the game.

Stopping with 4 minutes left seems to be meaningless. Just adjust the clock accordingly and make sure everyone understands how the game will be played.
Essentially, 4th quarter clock is 4 minutes instead of 8?
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Old 07-23-18, 08:51 AM
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Essentially, 4th quarter clock is 4 minutes instead of 8?
...this is for college ball - 20 minute halves.
... for H.S. it would likely be 3 minutes in the 4th quarter.

- H.S. ~ I remember when the 1 & 1 went on at last 3 minutes of
each half / didn't matter how many team fouls you had. (or was it 2 shots?)

:>---

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Old 07-23-18, 10:35 AM
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Watching the TBT, I really like it. It is neat how the game must end with an offensive score. Weird that the concept of OT would be gone. Also the who intentional foul chaos goes away. Could guys 9 to 12 get in any game with the score under 20?
This is a good point for high school where you often have several guys who normally don't play. This would reduce the opportunity for them to get in the game late because the leading team would still always have to play to win for the most part.
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Old 07-23-18, 11:50 AM
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Watching the TBT, I really like it. It is neat how the game must end with an offensive score. Weird that the concept of OT would be gone. Also the who intentional foul chaos goes away. Could guys 9 to 12 get in any game with the score under 20?
I watched the Scarlet/Gray game yesterday and it ended without all the foul shooting BS,three possessions and it was over...BAM!
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Old 07-23-18, 01:59 PM
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Play to zeros period.
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Old 07-23-18, 05:38 PM
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I'm dumber than rocks...
does that make me a Asnem?

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When I played pickup basketball, we used the old-fashioned Asnem method: the first team to ten baskets wins.
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Old 07-25-18, 09:22 PM
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I remember seeing a few Elam endings as a Denver Broncos fan in the 90's...
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Old 08-22-18, 06:20 PM
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Occam's Razor: publish the stats saying foul tactic only works 1% of the time, so then maybe the less than geniouses will move on to a tactic that involves trying to steal the ball or rush the ahead team's shot.
I love that broke Occam's Razor and mofo's are reading past it like they know what it is.
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Old 08-22-18, 09:37 PM
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I love that broke Occam's Razor and mofo's are reading past it like they know what it is.
I was surprised by this, but it may actually increase intentional fouls, by the team ahead. In the race to the score, a bad free throw shooter almost kills comeback attempts. Put him on the line, go one for two, and no chance for a three. I dont like that.
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Old 08-23-18, 06:37 AM
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I was surprised by this, but it may actually increase intentional fouls, by the team ahead. In the race to the score, a bad free throw shooter almost kills comeback attempts. Put him on the line, go one for two, and no chance for a three. I dont like that.
I thought of that, but my remedy would be once you are behind, you would then be forced to remove your big defender who struggles at the line ( Shack goes to the bench) in favor of getting five shooters /ball handlers on the floor.
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Old 08-23-18, 06:50 AM
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...

- H.S. ~ I remember when the 1 & 1 went on at last 3 minutes of
each half / didn't matter how many team fouls you had. (or was it 2 shots?)

:>---

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This was pre three point shot line. If I remember correctly it was 1/1 for the team who was not yet in bonus. I suspect the idea was it kept the team who had fouls to give from "mugging " the shooter at a time in history when almost all shots were taken within 10 ft from the basket.
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Old 08-23-18, 07:36 AM
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At the end of the day, it is a fun concept. While it may not make its way to winter basketball, it seems well suited to Summer tournaments where it can bring a different flavor. For me, I wish all scoring/timing for all sports were like Soccer!! Would be neat if Football(Field too small) and Baseball (too long) did some major rule changes to core things in the sport.
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Old 08-31-18, 11:21 AM
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Want to improve free throw shooting? Make tie ball games (after 1 OT) go to a free throw shooting contest.
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Old 08-31-18, 01:38 PM
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One change that I would make to the original idea. Instead of stopping the game with 4 minutes left, just stop it when the clock runs out. You can still add the 7 points to the leading team's score and make that the final target for the game.

Stopping with 4 minutes left seems to be meaningless. Just adjust the clock accordingly and make sure everyone understands how the game will be played.
I like that idea!
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