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Old 08-09-18, 07:57 PM
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How are they going to prove he never physically abused his wife? The investigators don't have access to police investigations and the cops are talking because the law says they can't.

Not really sure the media ever reported Zach was physical with Courtney. They reported information they got from open records request in Florida and the alleged text between Courtney and other wives on the coaching staff. McMurphy even said he had no evidence of Urban knowing. Not a reporter in the world turns that lead down. He also had the reports from Powell PD. It's kinda up in the air on what they said. McMurphy's original story had it that Zach was arrested and Powell PD's Chief has said there may've been some human error in the original report. Didn't have any further comment and said the report released on July 24 would be the one provided from there on out.

Unless there's any text, emails or pictures contained on the school issued phones then things will be tough to prove that staff knew anything. Now there should be some sort of record if Urban did tell Gene Smith. I'm not sure OSU could even justify suspending Urban then. Perhaps some steps are put in place for the future. Some think it's odd that the investigators have yet to talk to Zach or Courtney. I'm not surprised at all since those two are both concerned with their own interest. Build your case and then speak to them to either confirm what you've learned or let them dig themselves into a hole. Neither will face and criminal charges no matter what's said.
1st if you look at the police report, no where does it say ZS committed DV on CS, even if a box was check saying ZS was arrested a reporter should ask why the box was checked if no physical abuse was found instead of trying to be 1st with a story. 2ndly I wish I had a dollar every time I heard a talking head on TV say ZS was arrested for DV or how Meyer could keep a coach on his staff who committed DV. The Fake News media ( can't believe I am using that term ) rushed to judgement on Meyer and Smith before the facts actually came out.

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Old 08-09-18, 10:17 PM
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1st if you look at the police report, no where does it say ZS committed DV on CS, even if a box was check saying ZS was arrested a reporter should ask why the box was checked if no physical abuse was found instead of trying to be 1st with a story. 2ndly I wish I had a dollar every time I heard a talking head on TV say ZS was arrested for DV or how Meyer could keep a coach on his staff who committed DV. The Fake News media ( can't believe I am using that term ) rushed to judgement on Meyer and Smith before the facts actually came out.
The only thing being released is the face page per Ohio law (guessing it's the similar in other states). If the box is checked Arrest then it's fair to assume that an arrest was made. Narratives and evidence are not public record in those types of cases and therefore can't be seen by anyone not directly involved with the investigation.

I think a lot of the "How Could" deals with the Florida incident. The one he was arrested for but Courtney either decided to drop or stopped cooperating with the investigation. I believe Urban's noted that he just considered it something that young people do and agreed he and Shelley would assist the family. I think that's a legitimate question. Why keep someone on your staff who brings very little to the program and already shows signs of being problems? This was a case where Zach was arrested based off the evidence police obtained that evening. There wasn't a conviction but there rarely ever are in DV cases. At that point he decided to stick with Zach based on his loyalty to the family. And then he doubled down when he brought him to OSU with basically no qualifications.

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2005-2009 Grad Assistant -Florida
2010 Wide Receivers Coach -Marshall
2011- Special Teams Coach -Temple
2012-2018 Wide Receivers Coach -Ohio State.....You're telling me Urban couldn't pull anyone who'd actually been a position coach in the P5 to come to OSU? He tried to build family friend's career and ultimately it will forever tarnish his own.
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Old 08-09-18, 10:41 PM
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Reached this afternoon, Tina Carano would only communicate via text messages and backed Lynn Bruce’s version.

When asked if she believed her daughter’s claims of physical abuse, she replied, “I believe that Zach was removing himself from an argument and I do not believe he intentionally abused her. I do not believe he actually intentionally swung or punched her … no.”

As far as ever hearing her daughter say she would “take Zach down,” she replied, “Yes.”

And when Meyer’s name was mentioned, she added, “I cannot quote her exact words as I don’t remember them word for word, but something to that extent. This is my daughter and I love her but I do not approve of what she has done and how it was done.”

Following that text, she did not respond to follow-up questions.
This quote is from Courtney Smith's Mother. If what she is quoted as saying is true, it's easy to understand why Urban Meyer did not fire Zach for these incidences with Courtney.

As the investigation unfolds, there should really be only one question asked, did Urban Meyer follow protocol? If yes, his job is secure. If no, his job would be in jeopardy.
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Old 08-10-18, 12:00 AM
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I think that's the only thing they can really investigate anyways. I'm not going to place it on Urban's shoulders to investigate allegations. He's there to lead a football program. But it's also not up to him to judge what he should or shouldn't report to his bosses. Even if he just goes to Gene and says hey this was reported to me, I have some questions about the circumstances and here's why...can you guys look into it and let me know how to proceed? Covered and it leaves it up to his bosses to follow up.

In terms of all the characters involved, I have a hard time taking any of their versions to heart. Some of the early comments were if he's physically harming her then why doesn't she get out? But now few seem to ask, if she was so crazy then why didn't he get out? It goes both ways. I doubt the truth will ever truly come out in terms of their relationship. Nor is it really our business. But still, the only person we know for sure that has lied during this whole circus is Urban Meyer.
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Old 08-10-18, 12:14 AM
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This is why you don't stick your d*ck in crazy.

Her own mother is calling her a liar. Urban, OSU, and the Powell PD continue to look better the more info comes out.

Looking forward to the melt from MentorMad when Urban is found to have followed protocol and is rightfully not disciplined.

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Old 08-10-18, 03:11 AM
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Here is the incident report : https://11w.s3.amazonaws.com/docs/20...01190-2015.pdf

Even if the arrest box was checked, on the line injuries what type : it was left blank and were charges filed that box was checked no ( this should of raised some red flags on why the arrest box was checked. Peoples life's will be affected the rest of their life's ( including family ) by shoddy journalism. A journalist needs to get the story correct and at least retract the statement and issue an apology.
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Old 08-10-18, 05:41 AM
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Is Urban Meyer in Trouble?

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This is why you don't stick your in crazy.

Her own mother is calling her a liar. Urban, OSU, and the Powell PD continue to look better the more info comes out.

Looking forward to the melt from MentorMad when Urban is found to have followed protocol and is rightfully not disciplined.


No melt here. I don't center my life around sports let alone osu. Don't really care about them either way

My feelings on meyer won't change on this situation either. Guy is still slimey overall.

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Old 08-10-18, 05:44 AM
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Wonder how many people in the " All Righteous " media who jumped to the conclusion that ZS was guilty will issue an apology to ZS and to Meyer on why he kept Smith on his staff if it is Proven ZS never physically abused his wife.


So why was he fired a day before the report was set to be released to the mainstream public ? If he never hit her and she "trapped" him in a shady way now with their kid then he should still be employed ...

I still think he abused her. I never said she hasn't done shady things or labeled her an innocent angel but I think it's naive to think nothjng ever happened between them

The question is if meyer followed protocol. I said that all along. And if he did he stays. Which I again have said all along here and elsewhere


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Old 08-10-18, 06:46 AM
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So why was he fired a day before the report was set to be released to the mainstream public ? If he never hit her and she "trapped" him in a shady way now with their kid then he should still be employed ...

I still think he abused her. I never said she hasn't done shady things or labeled her an innocent angel but I think it's naive to think nothjng ever happened between them

The question is if meyer followed protocol. I said that all along. And if he did he stays. Which I again have said all along here and elsewhere


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My guess is they felt he did something stupid but he just dropped off their son. So if it does't come out you can keep your jo but don't ever do it again. But, if it does comes out then we are going to forced to let you go. Why? Because the PC culture we are in. Just look at all of calling for Urban head. You don't want to know all the facts simple because an accusation was made he should be fired!
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My guess is they felt he did something stupid but he just dropped off their son. So if it does't come out you can keep your jo but don't ever do it again. But, if it does comes out then we are going to forced to let you go. Why? Because the PC culture we are in. Just look at all of calling for Urban head. You don't want to know all the facts simple because an accusation was made he should be fired!


Like I said , I still think shady things happened. But if he is shown in writing to have reported it , then he should keep his job

And I'm just giving the other side and debating it like so many osu fans did with other schools scandals on here. And when reports came out showing innocence and proof , they still maintained guilt too


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Old 08-10-18, 08:15 AM
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Zach Smith's mother AND Courtney Smith's mother BOTH do not believe that Zach hit her

https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-...-down-with-him


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Snook also exchanged text messages with Courtney's mother, Tina Carano, who also told Snook that she did not believe Zach was physically violent toward her daughter.

Reached this afternoon, Tina Carano would only communicate via text messages and backed Lynn Bruce’s version.

When asked if she believed her daughter’s claims of physical abuse, she replied, “I believe that Zach was removing himself from an argument and I do not believe he intentionally abused her. I do not believe he actually intentionally swung or punched her … no.”

As far as ever hearing her daughter say she would “take Zach down,” she replied, “Yes.”

And when Meyer’s name was mentioned, she added, “I cannot quote her exact words as I don’t remember them word for word, but something to that extent. This is my daughter and I love her but I do not approve of what she has done and how it was done.”

Following that text, she did not respond to follow-up questions.

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Bruce told Snook that Courtney and her mother have become estranged over Courtney's allegations against Zach.

“Tina believes Zach and she is on his side through all this," Bruce told Snook. "She knows what her own daughter is like. She thinks she has serious problems and she knows she planned this whole thing.”

Bruce also told Snook that she believes Meyer "did exactly what he was supposed to do" in handling the situation.

“He passed it on whenever something came up," Bruce told Snook. "Urban Meyer would never retain an assistant coach who beats his wife, no matter who that man’s grandfather is. I was heartbroken when he fired Zach.”

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Old 08-10-18, 08:33 AM
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This is why you don't stick your d*ck in crazy.

Her own mother is calling her a liar. Urban, OSU, and the Powell PD continue to look better the more info comes out.

Looking forward to the melt from MentorMad when Urban is found to have followed protocol and is rightfully not disciplined.
And most assuredly why you never cheat on crazy
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Old 08-10-18, 08:40 AM
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Zach Smith's mother AND Courtney Smith's mother BOTH say that Zach never hit her

https://www.elevenwarriors.com/ohio-...-down-with-him
Your statement is not accurate, read it again; Courtney Smith's mother never says that Zach did not hit her; only that she BELIEVES that he did not INTENTIONALLY hit her.
The other point is that neither were present at the incidents, so they do not have first hand knowledge. Their statements support Zach's version; and are damaging to Courtney's version.
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Old 08-10-18, 08:40 AM
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This is why you don't stick your d*ck in crazy.

Her own mother is calling her a liar. Urban, OSU, and the Powell PD continue to look better the more info comes out.

Looking forward to the melt from MentorMad when Urban is found to have followed protocol and is rightfully not disciplined.
You can stick “crazy” all that you want to, but you don’t sign up for a life sentence. Hell, you probably play an away game and don’t sleep there. Definitely don’t bring her home !

The “journalist” that took advantage of this crazy b1tch, even though let go from his old gig and left to freelance, should be ashamed of himself.
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Old 08-10-18, 08:45 AM
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No melt here. I don't center my life around sports let alone osu. Don't really care about them either way

My feelings on meyer won't change on this situation either. Guy is still slimey overall.

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Old 08-10-18, 09:00 AM
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Your statement is not accurate, read it again; Courtney Smith's mother never says that Zach did not hit her; only that she BELIEVES that he did not INTENTIONALLY hit her.
The other point is that neither were present at the incidents, so they do not have first hand knowledge. Their statements support Zach's version; and are damaging to Courtney's version.
Ok sure, but this is a message board and not a court of law. Nonetheless, I will amend my previous post to say the mothers don't 'believe' he ever hit her. I figured that was implied, since only Courtney and Zach know 100% everything that happened
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You can stick “crazy” all that you want to, but you don’t sign up for a life sentence. Hell, you probably play an away game and don’t sleep there. Definitely don’t bring her home !

The “journalist” that took advantage of this crazy b1tch, even though let go from his old gig and left to freelance, should be ashamed of himself.
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Ok sure, but this is a message board and not a court of law. Nonetheless, I will amend my previous post to say the mothers don't 'believe' he ever hit her. I figured that was implied, since only Courtney and Zach know 100% everything that happened
Implications don't exist here and someone knowing full well what is implied will call you out for it when there's nothing left to argue.
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You have to wonder if McMurphy ever considered Courtney's role and motives in all this. It is TBD how this will turn out, but there is a chance he ends up looking a bit foolish and, if nothing else, entirely one-sided in his reporting.
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Old 08-10-18, 12:50 PM
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You have to wonder if McMurphy ever considered Courtney's role and motives in all this. It is TBD how this will turn out, but there is a chance he ends up looking a bit foolish and, if nothing else, entirely one-sided in his reporting.
The line of journalist that don't like Urban and let it cloud their work is long but its starts with Mike Bianchi: http://www.orlandosentinel.com/sport...803-story.html
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You have to wonder if McMurphy ever considered Courtney's role and motives in all this. It is TBD how this will turn out, but there is a chance he ends up looking a bit foolish and, if nothing else, entirely one-sided in his reporting.
He already looks foolish. And he doesn't care about her role in this. His goal was to bring down Urban and make OSU look bad.
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Old 08-10-18, 01:54 PM
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You have to wonder if McMurphy ever considered Courtney's role and motives in all this. It is TBD how this will turn out, but there is a chance he ends up looking a bit foolish and, if nothing else, entirely one-sided in his reporting.
I have a feeling it'll be mostly swept under the rug if/when they find out she was lying, and the networks will allow people to come to their own conclusions about why Urban was not fired by Ohio State.
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Facebook post from Jeff Snook, the journalist who broke the news that the two mothers both corroborated Zach Smith's story:

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I see some in the national media, including some who know me, have questioned my motives, etc., for yesterday's story on the Ohio State investigation. Yahoo even ran my so-called "resume" of "four books on Ohio State football including one in which Urban Meyer wrote the forward," next to Brett McMurphy's. First of all, let me say that Brett has earned his dues with a track record of breaking stories. Secondly, It is a fact I graduated from Ohio State - with a degree in Journalism. And that last part of the sentence is more crucial than the first part, in this case. For the record, I didn't just fall out of the stands of Ohio Stadium as a fan and onto Facebook yesterday, as some have suggested. I have 17 years of newspaper experience, including nine as a beat writer covering Florida State and four more at Florida (Steve Spurrier was coach, not Meyer). I broke my share of stories along the way. And I also wrote nine more books on subjects besides Ohio State. I know my journalism ethics and fundamentals and I follow them closely. Unless I am writing a column, my opinion doesn't enter into it - and it didn't yesterday, either. I had more than the two sources i quoted yesterday. Two more chose to go off the record, saying similar things and corroborating my on-record sources, so I didn't use them. I have received much more information since I published the story but am choosing to keep it to myself. It just backs up what was written and would be redundant. Anyway, enough said. It's a Friday, so smile, tell your parents or children you love them - and Have a great day!
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I have a feeling it'll be mostly swept under the rug if/when they find out she was lying, and the networks will allow people to come to their own conclusions about why Urban was not fired by Ohio State.
Sadly, I don't believe this. If he is cleared, I think the media will continue to imply that Urban supported a wife beater the rest of his career. Paul Finebaum is the worst example. For him to say that after watching the two interviewed that he trusted Courtney Smith and did not believe Zach Smith was unbecoming of a sports journalist. The rush to judgement was clear by CNN and ESPN.
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I love OSU fans acting like McMurphy was fired because of his writing abilities. He was laid off because ESPN is losing a ton of money and they laid off the senior writers who cost more. In order to continue getting paid by ESPN as part of his agreement he can't report for any other company. He can't even start his own website. But he does have the rights to his own facebook page. He even offered to continue giving ESPN his stories since they were paying him and they declined. They've lost out on some big stories that could've been broke on their site. And they would've loved this one. I believe he'll start with a new company on Monday when his contract is up.

Another thing OSU fans have claimed is shoddy reporting based on not confirming the open records releases he received. As OSU investigators are learning, Powell PD can't just comment about cases. There are laws against it. They've somewhat said there may have been some human error in the original report and are sticking by the one released July 24. Is that shoddy reporting by the journalist or shoddy reporting by the police? Remember, I'm very pro police but you can't make that type of report error. And I'm sure a supervisor checked it, it must be caught. Especially when you know that it may end up in the news based on one of the individuals involved being a coach on one of the biggest football programs in the county.

I'm not reading much into Florida's AD at the time having no comment. I'm sure their records are obtainable from an open record request which includes emails. Steve Addazio (now Boston College) said he knew of the 2009 incident when he hired Smith as a coach. Marshall's AD says he knew nothing about Zach's prior issues when they hired him.

This is interesting...Zach Smith's base pay
2013-$155,000
2014-$170,000
2015-$220,000
2016-$226,000...Things to work on, Personal Matters
2017-$300,000
2018-340,000

So he got by far his lowest raise following the year of the allegations?
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I love OSU fans acting like McMurphy was fired because of his writing abilities. He was laid off because ESPN is losing a ton of money and they laid off the senior writers who cost more. In order to continue getting paid by ESPN as part of his agreement he can't report for any other company. He can't even start his own website. But he does have the rights to his own facebook page. He even offered to continue giving ESPN his stories since they were paying him and they declined. They've lost out on some big stories that could've been broke on their site. And they would've loved this one. I believe he'll start with a new company on Monday when his contract is up.

Another thing OSU fans have claimed is shoddy reporting based on not confirming the open records releases he received. As OSU investigators are learning, Powell PD can't just comment about cases. There are laws against it. They've somewhat said there may have been some human error in the original report and are sticking by the one released July 24. Is that shoddy reporting by the journalist or shoddy reporting by the police? Remember, I'm very pro police but you can't make that type of report error. And I'm sure a supervisor checked it, it must be caught. Especially when you know that it may end up in the news based on one of the individuals involved being a coach on one of the biggest football programs in the county.

I'm not reading much into Florida's AD at the time having no comment. I'm sure their records are obtainable from an open record request which includes emails. Steve Addazio (now Boston College) said he knew of the 2009 incident when he hired Smith as a coach. Marshall's AD says he knew nothing about Zach's prior issues when they hired him.

This is interesting...Zach Smith's base pay
2013-$155,000
2014-$170,000
2015-$220,000
2016-$226,000...Things to work on, Personal Matters
2017-$300,000
2018-340,000

So he got by far his lowest raise following the year of the allegations?
Just today apparently McMurphy has removed the bit about E Bruce persuading CS not to press charges. Yeah he is a great journalist. Please explain the 5 different ways he tried to tell he ZS was arrested or investigated. You look like a fool defending him as if he is anything but a person who really hates Ohio State, and really, really hates Urban. His tweets from as far back as 2011 prove that. He is a journalist in name only.
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He is a journalist in name only.
This is major problem in today society. They are no longer journalist but commentators. They forgot there job is to report the news not taint it with their own personal biased.
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