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Old 12-23-15, 04:08 PM
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Proposed Rule Could End High School Football

A rule promulgated by Ohio Division of Industrial Compliance


"Overview of Proposed Rules
Pursuant to Ohio Revised Code section 4109.05, the rule set forth in Chapter 4101:9-2-25 of the
Ohio Administrative Code protect minors from being employed in occupations which are hazardous or detrimental to their health and well-being. "


Could be construed to prohibit minors from participating in football, especially in the light of recent discoveries concerning head injury and Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy (CTE)

It could easily be argued that participation in interscholastic sports is uncompensated employment in an industry, and that this one sport, football, is "hazardous or detrimental to their health and well being."

Read the notice of proposed rule: here

http://www.omlohio.org/State%20Legis...Compliance.pdf
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Old 12-23-15, 04:10 PM
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It could easily be argued that participation in interscholastic sports is uncompensated employment in an industry, and that this one sport, football, is "hazardous or detrimental to their health and well being."
Only by idiots.
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Old 12-23-15, 04:16 PM
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You are a rare kind of "special", arent ya?
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Old 12-23-15, 04:17 PM
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HS football cannot be considered employment for minors as they receive no financial gain from playing and no one is forcing them to play, it is strictly on a sign up to play basis. Not sure how you could even try to manipulate the wording to ban football for minors.
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Old 12-23-15, 04:33 PM
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employed
NB: key word.
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Old 12-23-15, 05:01 PM
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HS football cannot be considered employment for minors as they receive no financial gain from playing and no one is forcing them to play, it is strictly on a sign up to play basis. Not sure how you could even try to manipulate the wording to ban football for minors.
Performing exactly the same tasks, training, and duties as an organization known as the NFL Players Association, a unionized, NLRB recognized, labor organization, in an industry.

Since the tasks, training, and duties are exactly the same, it could be argued that interscholastic "teams" are indeed employed in the same industry, no matter how they are enticed into it.

It is also irrefutable that the interscholastic teams serve as the rudimentary training of, and recruitment pool for, the colleges and universities, who in turn serve as the training and recruitment of final candidates for employment in the industry, which is a segment of the entertainment industry.

The tasks, duties, etc being the same, and the pool of players being the exclusive training and recruitment grounds for the industry, it IS in the industry, and the pool are "uncompensated employed" persons, in it.

It can be argued.

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Old 12-23-15, 05:07 PM
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So, we also could add in reading threads and posts started by TigerLB would also be prohibited by minors as it degrades their mental health.
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Old 12-23-15, 05:08 PM
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You are a rare kind of "special", arent ya?
He surrrre is...
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Old 12-23-15, 05:09 PM
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So, we also could add in reading threads and posts started by TigerLB would also be prohibited by minors as it degrades their mental health.
Good point!
It can be argued

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Old 12-23-15, 05:13 PM
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Only by idiots.
http://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/ar...stages-of-cte/

How CTE Affects the Brain




Since the advent of youth football (which will soon be banned,) the injuries are being initiated earlier. not to speak of other injuries, cervical, knees, etc.

( this brings in the exploitation of youth leagues, camps, travelling teams run by high school coaches or their cronies, for enhancing their personal incomes, etc. but let's not get into THAT, right?)

Detecting CTE in brains as young as 17 is the evidence.
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Old 12-23-15, 05:15 PM
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So, we also could add in reading threads and posts started by TigerLB would also be prohibited by minors as it degrades their mental health.
you could not add in anything, this is an actual rule promulgated and published inviting public comment.

ok go try to add that.
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Old 12-23-15, 06:07 PM
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And where are all the people hiding that requested bringing this IGNORANCE back? They should all rethink what they ask for before they ask it.
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Old 12-23-15, 06:24 PM
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They're 2 to 3 years out from developing a CTE test for live brains. Once that is implemented everything changes.
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Old 12-23-15, 07:23 PM
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They're 2 to 3 years out from developing a CTE test for live brains. Once that is implemented everything changes.
"Live brains"?

So....tiger lb is out?
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Old 12-23-15, 07:27 PM
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And where are all the people hiding that requested bringing this IGNORANCE back? They should all rethink what they ask for before they ask it.
I think it's entertaining! Monkey Island at it's finest
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Old 12-23-15, 07:35 PM
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Old 12-23-15, 07:41 PM
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Performing exactly the same tasks, training, and duties as an organization known as the NFL Players Association, a unionized, NLRB recognized, labor organization, in an industry.

Since the tasks, training, and duties are exactly the same, it could be argued that interscholastic "teams" are indeed employed in the same industry, no matter how they are enticed into it.

It is also irrefutable that the interscholastic teams serve as the rudimentary training of, and recruitment pool for, the colleges and universities, who in turn serve as the training and recruitment of final candidates for employment in the industry, which is a segment of the entertainment industry.

The tasks, duties, etc being the same, and the pool of players being the exclusive training and recruitment grounds for the industry, it IS in the industry, and the pool are "uncompensated employed" persons, in it.

It can be argued.
Just not successfully any time soon.
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Old 12-23-15, 07:54 PM
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A rule promulgated by Ohio Division of Industrial Compliance


"Overview of Proposed Rules
Pursuant to Ohio Revised Code section 4109.05, the rule set forth in Chapter 4101:9-2-25 of the
Ohio Administrative Code protect minors from being employed in occupations which are hazardous or detrimental to their health and well-being. "


Could be construed to prohibit minors from participating in football, especially in the light of recent discoveries concerning head injury and Chronic Traumatic Encephalopathy (CTE)

It could easily be argued that participation in interscholastic sports is uncompensated employment in an industry, and that this one sport, football, is "hazardous or detrimental to their health and well being."

Read the notice of proposed rule: here

http://www.omlohio.org/State%20Legis...Compliance.pdf
I feel you are over thinking this situation, it will never happen......
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Old 12-23-15, 08:07 PM
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I think it's entertaining! Monkey Island at it's finest
A monkey island reference....looks to me like monkey see monkey do....

Has YOUR favorite monkey learned to count to 11 yet?
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Old 12-23-15, 08:17 PM
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They're not employed. Regardless of the NFL and NFLPA, a federal judge already ruled against the Northwestern players that they are not employees. I can't imagine a school that gives scholarships for athletics isn't considered employment but a kid attending a school, either paid by the government or paid by his parents as an 'employee'.

If so, they'd want their minimum wage for playing. And with GPA a requirement of playing, would want minimum wage during their school hours, too, as that's a requirement of 'employment'.

Ergo, a bogus concept on the part of TigerLB.

But, keep it up. You're going to make the off-season lively, at least.
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Old 12-23-15, 08:24 PM
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"Live brains"?

So....tiger lb is out?
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Old 12-23-15, 08:30 PM
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The reason you're an idiot (other than close relatives having sex and becoming your parents) is that other than children working in a parent's business (and extremely limited even then), there is no such thing as "uncompensated employment". It would be in direct violation of federal law.
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Old 12-23-15, 08:33 PM
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They're not employed. Regardless of the NFL and NFLPA, a federal judge already ruled against the Northwestern players that they are not employees. I can't imagine a school that gives scholarships for athletics isn't considered employment but a kid attending a school, either paid by the government or paid by his parents as an 'employee'.

If so, they'd want their minimum wage for playing. And with GPA a requirement of playing, would want minimum wage during their school hours, too, as that's a requirement of 'employment'.

Ergo, a bogus concept on the part of TigerLB.

But, keep it up. You're going to make the off-season lively, at least.
Wait and see. You have not seen the end of the Northwestern case, either.

Yeah I know of that case. That is not the end, it is just the beginning.

The NFL exploits the colleges and universities as their minor leagues and doesn't have to pay for any of it.

The genius of Paul Brown. In high schools you don't even have to give them a thing., a jersey at the end of the year (but how many concussions occurred?) free child labor by hanging the carrot of a college scholarship, and "pro career" enticement.

"for the Glory of an OHSAA Trophy with a green plastic faceplate" and a jersey lol.

And you did nothing to refute the obvious: that the HS players are performing the same tasks and duties as the Professionals, and are the talent pool from which the Professionals pick, but being recruited, trained and paid for by the public education system.

no matter what you said above, you cannot refute the reality.

The Professionals say : it's an arm's length transaction because the colleges and universities (the Top divisions of the NFL'S free minor leagues) are in between ....and the pro recruiters do not go directly to the HS to recruit (but they do in baseball)

and you are admitting that the only thing that stands between this rule banning HS football and the status quo is one definition: employee.

but good argument, thats good. at least its an argument. thank you

Oh and in my view: if an NCAA full ride scholarship student is not an employee? Ok, then he is an indentured servant, committed to perform certain labor (playing football IS labor, there is no refuting it) ... for a certain period of time, for room board and tuition which has a fixed value as an independent contractor, indentured for a period of years.
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Old 12-23-15, 08:39 PM
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The reason you're an idiot (other than close relatives having sex and becoming your parents) is that other than children working in a parent's business (and extremely limited even then), there is no such thing as "uncompensated employment". It would be in direct violation of federal law.
well then write and tell the Dept of Labor that playing football is not labor and to disband the NFL Players Union.

If it isn't labor, how can they have a union?

It's not me that is the idiot: it is the Federal Government and Dept of Labor who recognize playing football as "labor" not me.
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Old 12-23-15, 08:43 PM
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and nobody is even arguing that playing the sport is NOT "hazardous or detrimental to their health and well-being" :

It's a positive sign...that this is admitted.

That's a first step.
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Old 12-23-15, 08:49 PM
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yep



queenie of the poo-flingers^ is getting dirty hands again
When you're a giant poo magnet....you shouldn't stand so close when the flinging starts, unless of course....you like the taste....hmm.
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Old 12-23-15, 08:49 PM
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well then write and tell the Dept of Labor that playing football is not labor and to disband the NFL Players Union.

If it isn't labor, how can they have a union?

It's not me that is the idiot: it is the Federal Government and Dept of Labor who recognize playing football as "labor" not me.
They recognize that to be labor, compensation is a requirement. High school kids are not paid to play. Therefore, they aren't employees, making your original post as bad as your horrific use of the English language.
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Old 12-23-15, 08:50 PM
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and nobody is even arguing that playing the sport is NOT "hazardous or detrimental to their health and well-being" :

It's a positive sign...that this is admitted.

That's a first step.
Well, you either suffered a brain injury, or you have always been ratarded. So not speaking to the subject isn't endorsement.
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Old 12-23-15, 08:58 PM
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Tlb is getting schlonged on this thread.
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Old 12-23-15, 09:04 PM
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Tlb is getting schlonged on this thread.
but not by you.

and not really: nothing but juvenile ad homs which is all most of these idiots on here are capable of.
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