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Old 05-10-19, 10:54 AM
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Score Keeping Questions

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Old 05-11-19, 08:15 AM
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Reminder - Colleges and pro scouts often discount HS (and summer!) statistics.

Your double can be my 2-base error and in the "big scheme of things" it really doesn't matter.

Do your best, try to be fair and consistent and have a place to check on rules (book, web site, etc.)
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Old 05-11-19, 10:34 PM
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Just saw this tonight: first and third with one out. Grounder over second base, and the second baseman steps on second for one out but the throw to first (which was in plenty of time to get the batter/runner) is in the dirt so no out there but there is no advancement past first. The runner on third scores. The announcer says ‘E4 and no RBI’.

I’m thinking it can’t be an E4 because you can’t assume a double play, so can you deny the batter an RBI under the same pretense?
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Old 05-11-19, 11:39 PM
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Just a quick little read on a couple other sites, it looks like you can't assume a double-play "on a bad throw." So in this case, the announcer and scorekeeper were wrong.

However, if the throw from the second baseman had been on target and the first baseman dropped it, then you would give the first baseman an error and the hitter would not get an RBI.

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Official Baseball Rules, Rule 10.14(c), states the following:

No error shall be charged against any fielder when he makes a wild throw in attempting to complete a double play or triple play, unless such wild throw enables any runner to advance beyond the base he would have reached had the throw not been wild.
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The second half of Rule 10.14 (c) states:

NOTE: When a fielder muffs a thrown ball which, if held, would have completed a double play or triple play, charge an error to the fielder who drops the ball and credit an assist to the fielder who made the throw. If the throw was on target ,and the first baseman drops the ball, an error can be charged to the first baseman.
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Old 05-12-19, 02:57 AM
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I agree with Yappi. As for the RBI, if the runner from 3rd wasn't going, and therefore he scored on the bad throw itself, then it'd be an E4 not on the batter getting to first but the runner scoring. But in this situation, the runner was most likely running with the grounder to the opposite side of the field, so I believe there would have been an RBI in this case. In this case, I think there WOULD be an RBI since it was a simple fielder's choice.
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Old 05-12-19, 07:32 AM
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I wonder if the scorekeeper in this instance said there was no RBI because it 'could/should' have been a double play or because he thought that was an error on the play?


Just because there is an error on the play doesn't mean the run scoring isnt considered an RBI. There are instances that you can properly award an RBI when an error has occurred and I think many get that point wrong.
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Old 05-13-19, 04:29 PM
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I thought this was an interesting one:

Runner on 3rd base with less than two outs. A little bloop flyball in the infield behind the pitcher's mound. Runner held at 3rd to see if the ball was caught. Ball dropped cleanly and the hitter easily made it to first with no throw. Runner at 3rd took off when the ball hit the ground and was thrown out at home.

Two choices were:

* Infield hit, 6-2 putout.
* Fielder's choice 6-2.

I gave a hit to the batter because the runner delayed going home until after the ball hit the ground.
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Old 05-14-19, 10:36 AM
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I thought this was an interesting one:

Runner on 3rd base with less than two outs. A little bloop flyball in the infield behind the pitcher's mound. Runner held at 3rd to see if the ball was caught. Ball dropped cleanly and the hitter easily made it to first with no throw. Runner at 3rd took off when the ball hit the ground and was thrown out at home.

Two choices were:

* Infield hit, 6-2 putout.
* Fielder's choice 6-2.

I gave a hit to the batter because the runner delayed going home until after the ball hit the ground.
I think I'd agree with you
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