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Old 11-12-18, 02:47 PM
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State Meet - North vs. South - Boys & Girls Div I

Boys - Div I
North - 1,5,6,9,11 = 32
South - 2,3,4,7,8 = 24

Girls - Div I
North - 6,9,11,12,14 = 52
South - 1,2,3,4,5 = 15
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Old 11-12-18, 03:53 PM
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was this done by regional assignment? Is Granville (Girls D1 3rd place) considered "south"? I'm confused?
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Old 11-12-18, 04:03 PM
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was this done by regional assignment? Is Granville (Girls D1 3rd place) considered "south"? I'm confused?
It would appear that Tiffin and Boardman are "north" and Pickerington and Troy are "south." In this day and age, I almost consider anything south of U.S. 30 to be southern Ohio.
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Old 11-12-18, 06:38 PM
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I assume these are team places?

Individual places anyone?

I would think it would be more relevant to score it by region and not North and South. Although I do believe the Northern portion of the state has a higher population than the southern portion.
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Old 11-12-18, 07:22 PM
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I believe the division one schools in the southern portion of the state, particularly the more successful ones, are larger, while there are more division one schools in the northern part of the state. Feel free to correct me if I'm mistaken.
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Old 11-12-18, 07:37 PM
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I take it that this is just from team runners? I am sure the South would have the 1 spot with Conent Smith
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Old 11-12-18, 07:58 PM
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Granville is just east of Columbus. Between Columbus and Newark.
As of 09-18-18, 837 students, boys and girls combined, grades 9-12.
D2 in all sports except track and XC.
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Old 11-12-18, 09:17 PM
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I believe the division one schools in the southern portion of the state, particularly the more successful ones, are larger, while there are more division one schools in the northern part of the state. Feel free to correct me if I'm mistaken.
SW Ohio has some rather large HSs. Central Ohio would have some enormous HSs if the districts in that part of the state didn't opt to keep building new HSs. If Hilliard, Dublin, Pickerington, Olentangy, and Westerville were single HS districts or had stayed at 2 instead of 3 or more (except for Pickerington which only has 2 HSs), they would be the dominant ones. Even so, Central Ohio HSs have fared extremely at the state track meet the past few seasons.

DI Girls teams and their grade 9-11 enrollments (October 2016 headcounts):
1 Beavercreek - 884 (Tied for 9th largest in Ohio)
2 Centerville - 1006 (4th largest in Ohio)
3 Granville - 326
4 Mason - 1304 (Largest in Ohio)
5 Lak. East - 1034 (3rd largest in Ohio)
6 Medina - 873
7 Hil. Davidson - 685
8 Turpin - 421
9 Hudson - 541
10 Olen. Liberty - 794 (current enrollment would be slightly lower due to opening of 4th Olentangy HS this fall)
11 Mas. Jackson -728
12 Tol. N. Dame Academy - 394
13 Kings - 483
14 Wadsworth - 595
15 Thom. Worthington - 626
16 Lancaster - 643
17 Brunswick - 884 (Tied for 9th largest in Ohio)
18 Perrysburg - 526
19 Louisville - 383
20 Green - 450

Of the top 50 HSs by female enrollment, 18 are in the SW District, 17 are in the Central, 14 are in the NE, and 1 is in the NW. 8 of the top 10 female enrollments are in the SW.

Now for the DI boys:
1 Hudson - 581
2 Hil. Davidson - 681
3 Mason - 1357 (Largest in Ohio)
4 St. Xavier - 1178 (2nd largest in Ohio)
5 Mas. Jackson - 761
6 St. Ignatius - 1116 (4th largest in Ohio)
7 Gah. Lincoln - 866
8 Pick. North - 622
9 Medina - 897
10 Miamisburg - 627
11 Perrysburg - 610
12 Whitmer - 797
13 Ashland - 408
14 Olen. Liberty - 863 (current enrollment would be slightly lower due to opening of 4th Olentangy HS this fall)
15 University School - 320
16 Louisville - 337
17 Centerville - 1024 (6th largest in Ohio)
18 Kenston - 381
19 Lancaster - 729
20 Kings - 504

Of the top 50 HSs by male enrollment, 20 are in the SW District, 14 are in the Central, 14 are in the NE, and 2 are in the NW. 7 of the top 10 male enrollments are in the SW.
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Old 11-12-18, 10:30 PM
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Division 1

The disparity in Division 1 is embarrassing. I can not figure out why nobody seems to really care about this and how many teams are left unnoticed as a result of competing against schools 3-5 times their size.

Division 2 has it made in the shade with a difference of about 161 students vs. D1 where at least a 970 student difference. D3 is a completely different monster with all the private and charter schools with limited enrollment..



Let's look at overall enrollment boys and girls (though the previous post with enrollment is just as telling).
1. Beavercreek (8th largest High School in Ohio- 2351 students 9-12)
2. Centerville (3rd largest - 2775 students)
3. Granville (837 students)
4. Mason (Largest - 3529 students)
5. Lakota East (5th largest - 2579 students)
6. Medina (14th largest - 2189 students)
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Old 11-13-18, 12:43 AM
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The disparity in Division 1 is embarrassing. I can not figure out why nobody seems to really care about this and how many teams are left unnoticed as a result of competing against schools 3-5 times their size.

Division 2 has it made in the shade with a difference of about 161 students vs. D1 where at least a 970 student difference. D3 is a completely different monster with all the private and charter schools with limited enrollment..



Let's look at overall enrollment boys and girls (though the previous post with enrollment is just as telling).
1. Beavercreek (8th largest High School in Ohio- 2351 students 9-12)
2. Centerville (3rd largest - 2775 students)
3. Granville (837 students)
4. Mason (Largest - 3529 students)
5. Lakota East (5th largest - 2579 students)
6. Medina (14th largest - 2189 students)

people on here have been saying for years that there should be a 4th division for the very large schools. I for one would take D1 and split it into 2 divisions so that D3 was 1/3, D2 was 1/3 and then split D1 into 1/6 and 1/6. Others have said split it by number of kids. I don't really like that one. There have been other suggestions, but we have to get to numbers for a 4th division first. I Think.
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Old 11-13-18, 07:39 AM
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people on here have been saying for years that there should be a 4th division for the very large schools. I for one would take D1 and split it into 2 divisions so that D3 was 1/3, D2 was 1/3 and then split D1 into 1/6 and 1/6. Others have said split it by number of kids. I don't really like that one. There have been other suggestions, but we have to get to numbers for a 4th division first. I Think.

To be honest I don't think we need to get numbers up. The OHSAA needs to make more $. Adding a 4th division is arguable in regards to increasing revenue and making things fair. The lowest schools in D1 watch their classmates compete in D3 football or D2 in every other sport with the exception of Cross Country or Track.

I think the numbers will follow the 4th division. Schools simply do not show up at the District level which is the only way our ignorant OHSAA counts participation. Those coaches hurt the sport.. I could rant, but wish every school would back each other for something that would make it fair for more athletes rather than argue "I won't support another division because I will have to compete with _______ (insert moderately competitive team name here)...
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Old 11-13-18, 07:56 AM
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Boys - Div I
North - 1,5,6,9,11 = 32
South - 2,3,4,7,8 = 24

Girls - Div I
North - 6,9,11,12,14 = 52
South - 1,2,3,4,5 = 15
I don't believe this is the best way to "rank" the state. I think by regions is better. This changes from year to year.

For the boys D1 this year:

Lancaster- 2, 7, 8, 14, 19= 50/5 for an average of 10
Boardman- 1, 5, 6, 9, 15, 16, 19= 71/7 for an average of 10.1
Troy- 3, 4, 10, 17, 20= 54/5 for an average of 10.8
Tiffin- 11, 12, 13= 36/3 for an average of 12

For the girls D1 this year:

Troy- 1, 2, 4, 5, 8, 13= 33/6 for an average of 5.5
Lancaster- 3, 7, 10, 15, 16= 51/5 for an average of 10.2
Boardman- 6, 9, 11, 14, 17, 19, 20= 96/7 for an average of 13.7
Tiffin- 12, 18= 30/2 for an average of 15
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Old 11-13-18, 01:07 PM
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The disparity in Division 1 is embarrassing. I can not figure out why nobody seems to really care about this and how many teams are left unnoticed as a result of competing against schools 3-5 times their size.
Looking at the girls, Mason is exactly 4 times the size of Granville. Granville 326 x 4 = Mason 1304.

Looking at the boys, the gap is even larger between the smallest to the largest.
University School 320 x 4.24 = Mason 1358

An interesting fact about the DI boys is that there are 14 of the 20 teams with larger enrollments than Hudson, yet Hudson has won back to back against the big boys.

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Small DII schools dont have it that good. THe socio-economic make up of the districts, DII rural vs DII urban schools and most private DII schools reside in a major urban area. The large DII schools have a huge advantage over the very small DII rural schools.
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If you split up DI, Hudson might drop to DII depending on how you split it. Football put the 72 biggest schools in DI and splits equally the other six divisions.
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Small DII schools dont have it that good.
I woud have responded quicker but I had to shut down my computer and find my i-pad after reading what you wrote and spitting my drink all over the computer.

Do you really think a small D2 school has the same problem competing with a school with 150 more students in 3 grades as University School does against Mason who has 1038 more boys to recruit from? Socioeconomics and many other things factor competitive balance but enrollment can be partially controlled by divisions. Placing schools with over 1000 less students in 3 grades in the same division is far from a level playing field.
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Small DII schools dont have it that good. THe socio-economic make up of the districts, DII rural vs DII urban schools and most private DII schools reside in a major urban area. The large DII schools have a huge advantage over the very small DII rural schools.
Socioeconomics are the greatest hurdle to overcome. However, I believe that every situation has its advantages if you can identify them and utilize them. Most urban schools I know of would kill to have a campus like Milton-Union's. I can't stand my school's course but most visiting schools are jealous of it because we have a campus (60 acres) and a place to practice that doesn't require the kids to drive somewhere after school or have to stop at a traffic light every 2 blocks during a run.
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Socioeconomics are the greatest hurdle to overcome. However, I believe that every situation has its advantages if you can identify them and utilize them. Most urban schools I know of would kill to have a campus like Milton-Union's. I can't stand my school's course but most visiting schools are jealous of it because we have a campus (60 acres) and a place to practice that doesn't require the kids to drive somewhere after school or have to stop at a traffic light every 2 blocks during a run.
Ok I guess that is one positive against the 100 negatives. I am pretty lucky when it comes to facilities (permanent CC course and a track only facility)
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Even if you split D1 into 2 equal divisions there will be a large disparity in the top division. There is no "fair" answer. You can't have the top division with only 20 schools.
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Ok I guess that is one positive against the 100 negatives. I am pretty lucky when it comes to facilities (permanent CC course and a track only facility)
Debbie Downer.

I have only been through Milton Union once and I can tell you an easy list of positives

(1) Great School System. Continually one of the top schools in the state.
(2) Great parents in this small town.
(3) High socioeconomic status.
(4) Hard working town with blue collar attitude
(5) Great Sports
(6) home of Bob Schul only American 5k Olympic Medalist. DNA have to be floating around somewhere in the cornfields.
(7) Home of Mike Kelley one of the best college football coaches of all time.
(8) Ludlow Falls in nearby
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Debbie Downer.

I have only been through Milton Union once and I can tell you an easy list of positives

(1) Great School System. Continually one of the top schools in the state.
(2) Great parents in this small town.
(3) High socioeconomic status.
(4) Hard working town with blue collar attitude
(5) Great Sports
(6) home of Bob Schul only American 5k Olympic Medalist. DNA have to be floating around somewhere in the cornfields.
(7) Home of Mike Kelley one of the best college football coaches of all time.
(8) Ludlow Falls in nearby
You forgot one:

(9) Doesn't lose athletes to the large private schools on a regular basis like the suburban D2 schools
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