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Old 02-08-18, 08:51 AM
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GCL Coed Shakeup?

Seems to be the theme this week...

Hearing rumblings that the ADs want to bring the GCLC back to one division, but RB & PM aren't happy about it and threatening to leave.

Hard to believe that 2 founding members would leave.

Anyone have insight as to why they aren't for it? Seems like it would make scheduling easier in the round-robin sports. I know travel would be an issue, McNick -> Carroll, and other similar trips, every year is trek, but it was one division before Fenwick & Carroll joined. Why the uproar now?

If they do leave, is the GCLC going to stay at 6? Add Summit? Lehman? Springfield Catholic? Royalmont (if they ever join the OHSAA)?

Where will RB and PM go? GMC obviously won't have them. ECC only wants D1 schools. CHL won't have them. SBAAC won't have them. SWOC? CMAC, MVC? Make a 3 team league with Winton Woods?
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Old 02-08-18, 09:24 AM
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I'm not sure what difference it makes if its One division or two. All the teams play each other as it is. In football once, alternating home/away each year, in basketball they play teams in there own division twice and the other division once. (10 games) Mcnick has been traveling to Carroll for years in all sports. Its not that big of a trek maybe one hour (I've done it many times) Am I missing something? Are you talking about something else?
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Old 02-08-18, 09:44 AM
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I'm not sure what difference it makes if its One division or two. All the teams play each other as it is. In football once, alternating home/away each year, in basketball they play teams in there own division twice and the other division once. (10 games) Mcnick has been traveling to Carroll for years in all sports. Its not that big of a trek maybe one hour (I've done it many times) Am I missing something? Are you talking about something else?
That's my point. I don't see the big deal either. Not sure why RB & PM would leave the league over having to play Carroll, Alter, CJ & Fenwick twice a year in the round robin sports. Unless travel(cost) is the issue. Adding 4 trips from McN, RB, PM, Badin to Carroll, CJ, Alter, Fenwick in every round robin sport will add up....I guess...but to leave a league you've been a member of since it started??? I'm confused, has to be more to it. Any RB/PM people have insights?
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Old 02-08-18, 09:51 AM
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That's my point. I don't see the big deal either. Not sure why RB & PM would leave the league over having to play Carroll, Alter, CJ & Fenwick twice a year in the round robin sports. Unless travel(cost) is the issue. Adding 4 trips from McN, RB, PM, Badin to Carroll, CJ, Alter, Fenwick in every round robin sport will add up....I guess...but to leave a league you've been a member of since it started??? I'm confused, has to be more to it. Any RB/PM people have insights?
Doesn't make sense since they are already traveling to the Dayton area for Mens/Womans volleyball, soccer, softball, baseball, maybe track, golf, lacrosse etc. Whats one more trip? By the way I hadn't heard of this and although I'm not as close to the situation as I had been in the past 8 years I'm not sure its legit. Where did you get this news?
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Old 02-08-18, 10:08 AM
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Seems to be the theme this week...

Hearing rumblings that the ADs want to bring the GCLC back to one division, but RB & PM aren't happy about it and threatening to leave.

Hard to believe that 2 founding members would leave.

Anyone have insight as to why they aren't for it? Seems like it would make scheduling easier in the round-robin sports. I know travel would be an issue, McNick -> Carroll, and other similar trips, every year is trek, but it was one division before Fenwick & Carroll joined. Why the uproar now?

If they do leave, is the GCLC going to stay at 6? Add Summit? Lehman? Springfield Catholic? Royalmont (if they ever join the OHSAA)?

Where will RB and PM go? GMC obviously won't have them. ECC only wants D1 schools. CHL won't have them. SBAAC won't have them. SWOC? CMAC, MVC? Make a 3 team league with Winton Woods?
It has nothing to do with travel, because they all play each other now. You have to understand this, PM and RB battle for last place in the central year after year. One of them gets to brag that they finished 3rd in the central, the other one finishes last. In their mind 3rd out of 4 sounds better than 6th or 7th out of 8.

What other logical reason could it be for them to be opposed to this?
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Old 02-08-18, 10:08 AM
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Doesn't make sense since they are already traveling to the Dayton area for Mens/Womans volleyball, soccer, softball, baseball, maybe track, golf, lacrosse etc. Whats one more trip? By the way I hadn't heard of this and although I'm not as close to the situation as I had been in the past 8 years I'm not sure its legit. Where did you get this news?
Lets just say horse's mouth and leave it at that.
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Old 02-08-18, 10:11 AM
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GWOC is racist!
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Old 02-08-18, 10:31 AM
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GWOC is racist!
What??????!!!!!!! How bad is it?
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Old 02-08-18, 10:49 AM
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GWOC is racist!
Why, is Elder joining??
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Old 02-08-18, 12:13 PM
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I am curious to hear what the alumni and boosters of RB & PM have to say about leaving the GCL.

Would McNick join the SBAAC larger school division?
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Old 02-08-18, 01:57 PM
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I highly doubt the Archdiocese would let this go down. It seems to me the AD's suddenly forgot who they really work for.
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Old 02-08-18, 03:18 PM
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I am curious to hear what the alumni and boosters of RB & PM have to say about leaving the GCL.

Would McNick join the SBAAC larger school division?
McNick wouldn't go anywhere they will stay in the COED . If RB/Purcell would leave my guess is that they would still be on the schedule. RB/Purcell have to play someone. Not sure the SBAAC would want them (Mcnick) other than football where McN would still be ok. McNick would (most years) be pretty dominant in the SBAAC, especially in Womans sports.
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Old 02-08-18, 03:53 PM
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GWOC is racist!
The only schools that is known to be openly racist is Elder....

The current GWOC teams are Wayne, Centerville, Springfield, Fairmont, Beavercreek, Trotwood, Miamisburg, Springboro, Lebanon, and Northmont.
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Old 02-08-18, 04:31 PM
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My bad, thought this was the GWOC shake-up thread.

However, perhaps it stills applies to the GCL... everyone is a racist these days so why not the Catholics too.
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Old 03-02-18, 07:28 PM
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Enquirer article: Purcell and Bacon looking at MVC https://www.cincinnati.com/story/spo...ues/386406002/
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Old 03-03-18, 11:20 AM
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Enquirer article: Purcell and Bacon looking at MVC https://www.cincinnati.com/story/spo...ues/386406002/
Hmm this is interesting. Not sure what McNick would do in this case. They would have 2 fill 2 more open dates. Closest competitor would be Fenwick and Badin (both about 40-45 minutes) depending on traffic. Some decisions will have to be made if PM and RB drop.
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Old 03-03-18, 12:28 PM
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Hmm this is interesting. Not sure what McNick would do in this case. They would have 2 fill 2 more open dates. Closest competitor would be Fenwick and Badin (both about 40-45 minutes) depending on traffic. Some decisions will have to be made if PM and RB drop.
heard McNicholas enrollment is slipping because of West Clermont and other schools are getting their traditional feeder schools.
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Old 03-03-18, 04:41 PM
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heard McNicholas enrollment is slipping because of West Clermont and other schools are getting their traditional feeder schools.
I think West Clermont has hurt their enrollment. i mentioned this was likely when the new HS plan was finalized 2 years ago. I think they had @130 in this years Freshmen class which is slightly smaller than the average over the past 5 years. I don't know what they are expecting for 2018/2019. I think this is probably the trend in all Catholic schools. St X , Moeller and St Ursula have always attracted students from McNicks feeders (IHM, Guardian Angel and St. Veronica/Thomas More) so this isn't new. I've always said if they could retaln the football talent that goes to X, Moe and occasionally Elder they would give Alter a run for their money.
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Old 03-03-18, 06:13 PM
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McNick, Purcell, and Bacon should look for another conference and/or Alter, Carrol, and CJ should. These schools are too far apart for a HS league. Fenwick and Badin can decide to go north or south.
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Old 03-05-18, 09:49 AM
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McNick, Purcell, and Bacon should look for another conference and/or Alter, Carrol, and CJ should. These schools are too far apart for a HS league. Fenwick and Badin can decide to go north or south.
No league would take Alter, let alone add in Carroll or CJ. SWBL hates Alter. GWOC is way too big... The GCL North could hold their own a little bit, but would get knocked around after having to play Centerville, Fairmont, Creek etc every week. Only northern Catholic schools are Lehman and Springfield CC and both of them are D7... Those two could compete with RB and Purcell in sports. If the GCL were to were to completely dissolve an ideal conference for each team would be: Badin should join the SWOC, CJ in the City league/SWBL, Alter in the SWBL, Carroll should just play in the CBC since that seems to be the only conference they'll play in certain sports, Fenwick idk, McNicholas (if enrollment was good, ECC, probably not though). Purcell and RB would be a good move to join the MVC.
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Old 03-05-18, 10:40 AM
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Maybe the private schools in the MVC can split off and go with these GCL schools and form their own league
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Old 03-05-18, 02:41 PM
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Fenwick Alter CJ and Carroll could join the SWBL and just shake up the divisions a little bit. Would make for a fun conference, Carroll and Fenwick were already in a league with Monroe and Franklin in the past.
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Old 03-05-18, 04:02 PM
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Would love to see a 6-team GCL-Coed of McNick, Badin, Fenwick, CJ, Carroll and Alter, with annual crossover games with CCL schools, Watterson, DeSales, Hartley, Ready and St. Charles. That would create a 10-game football schedule for each school, and no need for non-conference games. Or perhaps just have 3 crossover games annually to minimize the travel and allow for traditional non-conference (e.g. Alter-Fairmont) Would also like to see CovCath on the regular schedule of the GCL-Coed teams.
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Old 03-05-18, 04:33 PM
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Ready continues to play Hartley but plays all of the Mid-State League Ohio teams (Grandview, Whitehall, Bexley, Liberty Union, Amanda-Clearcreek) in football (this began last year). Ready does not play for the league title but it at least helps fill their football schedule for weeks 4 thru 10.

Your proposed cross-over games would work for football from a scheduling standpoint but I think only Alter would compete with DeSales and Hartley year in/year out. Watterson (Div III) has been down the last 4+ years and St Charles (Div II) does not have much football tradition. One has to think Watterson will get back to the level they typically are. Games vs Watterson, DeSales & Hartley would be extremely difficult.
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