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Old 02-05-18, 11:32 AM
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Pac 2018

What's in store for the PAC in 2018? Northwest was very disappointing in its a PAC debut season. Manchester seems to be losing arguably the best RB in school history due to private privileges, Orrville has a couple of good young skill players Returning, Tuslaw should be improved with Gulling in year 2, Fairless will lose Shepard but return a good QB. CVCA also has a couple good young athletes and OL. Loudonville and Triway will both have a new Head coach.


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Old 02-05-18, 03:13 PM
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Manchester should be very good, with or without Ethan Wright. I would think Manchester is head and shoulders better than the rest of the league!
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Old 02-06-18, 01:14 PM
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Manchester should be very good, with or without Ethan Wright. I would think Manchester is head and shoulders better than the rest of the league!
Manchester loses only 5 starters, unless you count the kicker, then 6. The biggest loss is Beans at Center. Knight is not a loss at all. France is a minimal loss. Schuler was serviceable. The weapons on offense are Wright (yes, he's staying), Johnson and Foster. Hettich and Baker will head up the OL. Defensively they will be fine. Although the secondary will take a hit losing Schuler and France. However, their best DB is back, Johnson. Defensive Coordinator will be back after saying he was leaving. Their LB's (Baker, Kinsey and Pajlich) will be very strong as will the DL. Kicking game will be weak, again. Return teams will be very strong with Johnson, Foster and Wright. All in all, they will be very good and I think they can make some noise in their Region and Playoffs.
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Old 02-06-18, 06:30 PM
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Manchester loses only 5 starters, unless you count the kicker, then 6. The biggest loss is Beans at Center. Knight is not a loss at all. France is a minimal loss. Schuler was serviceable. The weapons on offense are Wright (yes, he's staying), Johnson and Foster. Hettich and Baker will head up the OL. Defensively they will be fine. Although the secondary will take a hit losing Schuler and France. However, their best DB is back, Johnson. Defensive Coordinator will be back after saying he was leaving. Their LB's (Baker, Kinsey and Pajlich) will be very strong as will the DL. Kicking game will be weak, again. Return teams will be very strong with Johnson, Foster and Wright. All in all, they will be very good and I think they can make some noise in their Region and Playoffs.
What was all the noise with Wright leaving? I was confused about this since that one thread was taken down
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Old 02-06-18, 07:27 PM
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What was all the noise with Wright leaving? I was confused about this since that one thread was taken down
To make a long story short, Hoban said no RB and no Defense. WR only. Plus, sit out half of football, basketball and track seasons. QB question at MHS has not been resolved. For now, he's staying.
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Old 02-08-18, 06:42 PM
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Can someone explain the sit out rule? If you leave for another school during the
current school year, do you have to sit out half of the following years football season?
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Old 02-08-18, 07:44 PM
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Can someone explain the sit out rule? If you leave for another school during the
current school year, do you have to sit out half of the following years football season?
There are 2 ways you can be eligible without sitting out 1/2 seasons. One is if you transfer back to your Home district. For example, Johnson, #5, transferred from SVSM back to Manchester, his home district. He was eligible for all sports because he transferred after the school year. If he would have transferred during the school year, he would have had to sit out the 1/2 seasons. If he would have transferred after participating in football practices and participated in a scrimmage and then transferred, not eligible. The second way is if you transfer from a public (Manchester) to a private (Hoban) and relocate out of your home district. Ie., Wright, #7. If you don't move, not eligible. That's pretty much the gist of it. Open enrollment is a whole different animal.
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Old 02-09-18, 09:53 AM
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There are 2 ways you can be eligible without sitting out 1/2 seasons. One is if you transfer back to your Home district. For example, Johnson, #5, transferred from SVSM back to Manchester, his home district. He was eligible for all sports because he transferred after the school year. If he would have transferred during the school year, he would have had to sit out the 1/2 seasons. If he would have transferred after participating in football practices and participated in a scrimmage and then transferred, not eligible. The second way is if you transfer from a public (Manchester) to a private (Hoban) and relocate out of your home district. Ie., Wright, #7. If you don't move, not eligible. That's pretty much the gist of it. Open enrollment is a whole different animal.
So, what about transferring between different public school districts, without moving, if there is open enrollment at the school to which you are transferring? Or, moving from a private school to another private school? This rule is so bizarre. Sometimes I've seen kids have to sit, while others do not. Doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason, though I'm sure there are loopholes.
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Old 02-09-18, 10:59 AM
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So, what about transferring between different public school districts, without moving, if there is open enrollment at the school to which you are transferring? Or, moving from a private school to another private school? This rule is so bizarre. Sometimes I've seen kids have to sit, while others do not. Doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason, though I'm sure there are loopholes.
Public to public, same rule about sitting out, even if open enrollment. Private to private, same rule.
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Old 02-15-18, 04:17 PM
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So, what about transferring between different public school districts, without moving, if there is open enrollment at the school to which you are transferring? Or, moving from a private school to another private school? This rule is so bizarre. Sometimes I've seen kids have to sit, while others do not. Doesn't seem to be any rhyme or reason, though I'm sure there are loopholes.
This will certainly be a deterrent to transferring, if it passes.
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Old 07-21-18, 12:33 PM
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Bumping this. Any PAC news? Question - from the previous posts it appears that there will be 3 new head coaches this year (including Fairless)?
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Old 07-22-18, 02:52 PM
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If every stays healthy the PAC will not be decided until week 10. Both CVCA and Manchester will be very good, Fairless,. Orville and NW next, then the rest of the league rounds out the bottom.
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Old 07-22-18, 03:00 PM
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I'm curious why did the PAC ever accept Loudenville in?? Aren't they the smallest and distance is unbelievable from most schools.
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Old 07-22-18, 03:51 PM
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they are only in for football
and I would guess due to NW being admitted as the largest or one of the largest schools in the league that the league wanted to get a school closer in enrollment to fill the football spot.

And even though their name is dropped quite often - I don't ever see Canton South getting into the league - Minerva would be a good fit, but distance may be too great
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Old 07-22-18, 07:18 PM
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There are 2 ways you can be eligible without sitting out 1/2 seasons. One is if you transfer back to your Home district. For example, Johnson, #5, transferred from SVSM back to Manchester, his home district. He was eligible for all sports because he transferred after the school year. If he would have transferred during the school year, he would have had to sit out the 1/2 seasons. If he would have transferred after participating in football practices and participated in a scrimmage and then transferred, not eligible. The second way is if you transfer from a public (Manchester) to a private (Hoban) and relocate out of your home district. Ie., Wright, #7. If you don't move, not eligible. That's pretty much the gist of it. Open enrollment is a whole different animal.
Curious as to why all the rumors about the Manchesterís RB. He already has D1 offers. Hoban for a title? If Manchester is as great as everyone is touting, he should get a state title this year. Correct?
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Old 07-22-18, 08:00 PM
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Curious as to why all the rumors about the Manchesterís RB. He already has D1 offers. Hoban for a title? If Manchester is as great as everyone is touting, he should get a state title this year. Correct?
There were rumors because the kid is a stud and lives within 15 minutes of both Hoban and SVSM. Whether the rumors were true or not is a whole different issue. There was probably some interest both ways, in the end I think he made the right decision. He will get all the D1 offers and has a chance to compete for a championship at Manchester. They make the playoffs every year.
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Old 07-23-18, 09:27 AM
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Mainly commenting so I don't lose track of this thread.

Should be a fun year! We have a new coach this year, but he is familiar with the kids and the program. I think we are getting back on the right track after a year of what seems like lost momentum.
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Old 07-23-18, 03:54 PM
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Curious as to why all the rumors about the Manchesterís RB. He already has D1 offers. Hoban for a title? If Manchester is as great as everyone is touting, he should get a state title this year. Correct?
My understanding was that he was seriously considering a transfer. Why, I don't know, but I would imagine that sitting out half the season (and now the second half rather than the first) was a huge deterrent. I don't think there was any way around that for him unless his parents were planning to move.

Didn't Fairless get a new coach? I thought I remember reading that somewhere. Do they have a lot coming back? Also, I'm wondering how Loudenville is going to be this year. They seemed to me like a team that should have one at least a couple last year but just couldn't close the deal. I would think they will be much improved from last year, but starting over with a new coach maybe not?
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Old 07-23-18, 04:03 PM
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My understanding was that he was seriously considering a transfer. Why, I don't know, but I would imagine that sitting out half the season (and now the second half rather than the first) was a huge deterrent. I don't think there was any way around that for him unless his parents were planning to move.

Didn't Fairless get a new coach? I thought I remember reading that somewhere. Do they have a lot coming back? Also, I'm wondering how Loudenville is going to be this year. They seemed to me like a team that should have one at least a couple last year but just couldn't close the deal. I would think they will be much improved from last year, but starting over with a new coach maybe not?
Fairless hired from within, A.J. Sarbaugh.
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Old 07-24-18, 07:05 AM
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My understanding was that he was seriously considering a transfer. Why, I don't know, but I would imagine that sitting out half the season (and now the second half rather than the first) was a huge deterrent. I don't think there was any way around that for him unless his parents were planning to move.

Didn't Fairless get a new coach? I thought I remember reading that somewhere. Do they have a lot coming back? Also, I'm wondering how Loudenville is going to be this year. They seemed to me like a team that should have one at least a couple last year but just couldn't close the deal. I would think they will be much improved from last year, but starting over with a new coach maybe not?
This is irrelevant now. Wright has stayed at MHS and this topic should be over. In the 2 passing scrimmages, he has been at WR, with Johnson as the Slot Receiver. Those 2 have been dynamite as a receiving tandem. Not sure where he will play in standard offense. RB, TB or sometime QB. He is playing Safety on D.
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who has been the Qb for Manchester ?
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Old 07-25-18, 07:09 AM
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who has been the Qb for Manchester ?
Right now it is Mayer.
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After reading the various Manchester threads, Orrville has decided to cancel there football season, due to the pre-crowning of the panthers as PAC champs, I suggest CVCA, Fairless, and Loudonville do the same. Perhaps the other PAC teams could get together on Friday nights and play Tiddlywinks and talk about all the great Manchester D-I recruits.
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After reading the various Manchester threads, Orrville has decided to cancel there football season, due to the pre-crowning of the panthers as PAC champs, I suggest CVCA, Fairless, and Loudonville do the same. Perhaps the other PAC teams could get together on Friday nights and play Tiddlywinks and talk about all the great Manchester D-I recruits.
Red, I don't recall reading anything like that at all. Pre-Crowning? Let's just say until someone takes the title from them, they are the CHAMPS of the PAC. Recruits/ It's a fact. Wright, Hettich D1. Johnson D2/D3. No brag, just fact.
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After reading the various Manchester threads, Orrville has decided to cancel there football season, due to the pre-crowning of the panthers as PAC champs, I suggest CVCA, Fairless, and Loudonville do the same. Perhaps the other PAC teams could get together on Friday nights and play Tiddlywinks and talk about all the great Manchester D-I recruits.
Yeah, it's always more fun when your league doesn't have any teams that are capable of generating any preseason excitement, and your league champion ends up being a playoff also-ran at best.
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Yeah, it's always more fun when your league doesn't have any teams that are capable of generating any preseason excitement, and your league champion ends up being a playoff also-ran at best.
Not quite sure how to take your post. Is it a joke? Is it a put down of the PAC?
A slam to a certain team (Manchester)? What?
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Not quite sure how to take your post. Is it a joke? Is it a put down of the PAC?
A slam to a certain team (Manchester)? What?
I don't think it is a put down on the PAC. However there are many who believe the PAC could be one of the toughest conferences in Ohio if schools like Canton Central Catholic (who Slip supports) were admitted instead of a school like Loudenville. A school like CCC or STA would definitely cut into PAC championships that Manchester usually wins.
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I don't think it is a put down on the PAC. However there are many who believe the PAC could be one of the toughest conferences in Ohio if schools like Canton Central Catholic (who Slip supports) were admitted instead of a school like Loudenville. A school like CCC or STA would definitely cut into PAC championships that Manchester usually wins.
I agree. However, they would have to make application to get in. The PAC sure isn't going to invite them! LOL. I had heard that Manchester and STA were talking about the playing in the 3rd week because STA was canceling their contract with Marlington, but the OHSAA stepped in and threatened to fine STA $6000 for breaking the contract (not confirmed). I'm not really sure if CCC and STA would want to be in the PAC.
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Not quite sure how to take your post. Is it a joke? Is it a put down of the PAC?
A slam to a certain team (Manchester)? What?
Maybe a combination of all of the above. It's like this:

I get sick of the wet blanket act of "I guess we should just cancel the season and give Team A the trophy now."

The darned games are going to get played, and everyone will have a chance to knock off Team A, so that act gets more ridiculous every time I see it. To make it even more ridiculous, the ones who make that post rarely attempt to offer a reason why Team A shouldn't be the favorite to win the game, league, state title, or whatever the topic is at the time.

As for the other conversation that has come up in the posts following yours regarding league membership, no worries. I don't see the current administration at CCC showing any interest in joining any conferences as they stand now. Current principal is also the golf coach and wouldn't want to dedicate a portion of his schedule to league dual matches. He prefers to play tournaments. I also don't anticipate the PAC membership showing any interest in having more than one private school in the league at a time. CVCA would have to leave before I see CCC or STA getting a look. CCC could be a fit as the EBC's 8th member (the NBC minus Louisville), but the geography isn't quite right. Regular trips to West Branch, Salem, and Carrollton probably don't excite anybody at CCC. Even Alliance and Marlington aren't too far away but feel like a pain in the neck to get to if you don't cleanly make all the traffic lights along Rt. 62 on Canton's NE side. The trip to Minerva on Rt. 30 feels much longer than it actually is.

IMHO, the PAC should've taken Canton South when they applied. Canton South is nowhere near as large as it once was, and it certainly isn't a growing district. Loudonville is an outlier in terms of both geography and enrollment. I have no idea if that program will get turned around anytime soon.
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Maybe a combination of all of the above. It's like this:

I get sick of the wet blanket act of "I guess we should just cancel the season and give Team A the trophy now."

The darned games are going to get played, and everyone will have a chance to knock off Team A, so that act gets more ridiculous every time I see it. To make it even more ridiculous, the ones who make that post rarely attempt to offer a reason why Team A shouldn't be the favorite to win the game, league, state title, or whatever the topic is at the time.

As for the other conversation that has come up in the posts following yours regarding league membership, no worries. I don't see the current administration at CCC showing any interest in joining any conferences as they stand now. Current principal is also the golf coach and wouldn't want to dedicate a portion of his schedule to league dual matches. He prefers to play tournaments. I also don't anticipate the PAC membership showing any interest in having more than one private school in the league at a time. CVCA would have to leave before I see CCC or STA getting a look. CCC could be a fit as the EBC's 8th member (the NBC minus Louisville), but the geography isn't quite right. Regular trips to West Branch, Salem, and Carrollton probably don't excite anybody at CCC. Even Alliance and Marlington aren't too far away but feel like a pain in the neck to get to if you don't cleanly make all the traffic lights along Rt. 62 on Canton's NE side. The trip to Minerva on Rt. 30 feels much longer than it actually is.

IMHO, the PAC should've taken Canton South when they applied. Canton South is nowhere near as large as it once was, and it certainly isn't a growing district. Loudonville is an outlier in terms of both geography and enrollment. I have no idea if that program will get turned around anytime soon.

1st response. I think the PAC will be close this year. No one is going w/o a loss. Maybe even a tie for #1. I thought Manchester would have had a chance at that, but not after watching the Ellet scrimmage.

2nd response. I agree with you about the privates.
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