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Old 02-11-18, 11:27 AM
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Ya know, this debate will never end. Fans of schools like Jackson, Perry & Hoover want respect and in many many ways deserve it. In all seriousness there are many things that I respect about each school but then posters like mac, y2h and man2man show up and totally trash everything Massillon has EVER accomplished.

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Old 02-11-18, 11:33 AM
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What is the difference with these..

Munford comes to Massillon to play for former coach.

2 kids move to Hoover to play for former coach.

Colorado kid moves to Canton to play for former Coach.

Rules state a coach cannot have contact with there former players from previous school.
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Old 02-11-18, 11:37 AM
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What is the difference with these..

Munford comes to Massillon to play for former coach.

2 kids move to Hoover to play for former coach.

Colorado kid moves to Canton to play for former Coach.

Rules state a coach cannot have contact with there former players from previous school.
The difference is that the OHSAA found Massillon guilty of recruiting and punished them.
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Old 02-11-18, 11:53 AM
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The difference is that the OHSAA found Massillon guilty of recruiting and punished them.
So you are saying the other 3 kids 2 at Hoover 1 at McKinley had zero contact with their previous coach before moving in. They just showed up.
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Old 02-11-18, 12:01 PM
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What is the difference with these..

Munford comes to Massillon to play for former coach.

2 kids move to Hoover to play for former coach.

Colorado kid moves to Canton to play for former Coach.

Rules state a coach cannot have contact with there former players from previous school.
You forgot the part where Munford comes to Massillon and lives with the coach.

You honestly believe the family of the kids (brothers) that moved to NC gave up jobs and a house and bought a new house simply to play football at Hoover?

The kid from Colorado came because his father was on McKinleys staff after being on Reardons staff out there. You can draw your own conclusions on whether it represents recruiting or not but again there was sacrifice involved...he wasn't simply commuting in from a neighboring community.
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Old 02-11-18, 12:09 PM
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You forgot the part where Munford comes to Massillon and lives with the coach.

You honestly believe the family of the kids (brothers) that moved to NC gave up jobs and a house and bought a new house simply to play football at Hoover?

The kid from Colorado came because his father was on McKinleys staff after being on Reardons staff out there. You can draw your own conclusions on whether it represents recruiting or not but again there was sacrifice involved...he wasn't simply commuting in from a neighboring community.
None of that matters the rule states NO CONTACT!! Justify it all you want which is what you Fed people do every time this subject comes up. A kid moves to Massillon and he was 100% recruited. A kid moves to a Fed school and it’s like the parents and kid had no idea their was even a school in that town.

Why do none of the Fed schools complain about Perry wrestling, they have embarrassed every school in the Fed winning by massive amounts with kids from all over the world that their coaches find at wrestling tournaments and nobody says a word.
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Old 02-11-18, 12:12 PM
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You honestly believe the family of the kids (brothers) that moved to NC gave up jobs and a house and bought a new house simply to play football at Hoover?
Well....you guys actually believed that the Kempts did just that so why shouldn't we believe it happened that way in your case? And if not, what was the situation?
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Old 02-11-18, 12:14 PM
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None of that matters the rule states NO CONTACT!! Justify it all you want which is what you Fed people do every time this subject comes up. A kid moves to Massillon and he was 100% recruited. A kid moves to a Fed school and it’s like the parents and kid had no idea their was even a school in that town.

Why do none of the Fed schools complain about Perry wrestling, they have embarrassed every school in the Fed winning by massive amounts with kids from all over the world that their coaches find at wrestling tournaments and nobody says a word.
Bingo.
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Old 02-11-18, 12:18 PM
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Well....you guys actually believed that the Kempts did just that so why shouldn't we believe it happened that way in your case? And if not, what was the situation?
No No!! Remember Kyle was recruited to Massillon from Oregon. His brother was at Jackson since birth long before Kyle and his parents moved to the area. He was home grown. Mack stated that along time ago. LOL!!!
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Old 02-11-18, 12:26 PM
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None of that matters the rule states NO CONTACT!! Justify it all you want which is what you Fed people do every time this subject comes up. A kid moves to Massillon and he was 100% recruited. A kid moves to a Fed school and it’s like the parents and kid had no idea their was even a school in that town.
It wasn't the "Fed people" that ruled here. It was the OHSAA.
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Old 02-11-18, 12:27 PM
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No No!! Remember Kyle was recruited to Massillon from Oregon. His brother was at Jackson since birth long before Kyle and his parents moved to the area. He was home grown. Mack stated that along time ago. LOL!!!
That's yet another lie.
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Old 02-11-18, 12:38 PM
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Y'all can prognosticate all ya want but since there are schools who won't even schedule Massillon let alone allow them in the league, all we can go by is what we know for sure....better known as facts. In the last 5 years Massillon is 11-2 against the teams who are willing. That includes a 4-1 record against Federal League Champions. These are facts. We have people who like to make outrageous claims like "with their passing game Jackson would have destroyed Massillon this year." But Jackson is the one dodging....not Massillon. Remember, as long as I don't actually step in the ring with Mike Tyson I can stand on the apron and shout how bad I would beat him.
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Old 02-11-18, 12:48 PM
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Football is 1 of the Federal League's 21 sports. How about boys basketball? Volleyball? Boys and girls Cross country? Boys and girls soccer? Boys and girls tennis? Baseball? Boys and girls golf? Etc., etc.....

It wouldn't be pretty.
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Old 02-11-18, 12:52 PM
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Massiloon fan says "We don't recruit".

Mack posts the OHSAA guilty finding proving they do.

Massiloon fan says "That doesn't count. That was a special case. Other schools do it."

You just can't make this stuff up.
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Old 02-11-18, 12:56 PM
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You forgot the part where Munford comes to Massillon and lives with the coach.
And then the family puts him on a Christmas card in a pathetic attempt to recreate the family from "The Blind Side".

Maybe they sent one to the OHSAA
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Old 02-11-18, 01:02 PM
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Don’t know why my fellow Massillon fans don’t just embrace that we recruit players in Stark and surrounding?

Remember the days of Shepas? He recruited better than he coached.

Munford was a special case? Smh, we’re like an orphanage that only takes 6’3” 200 lbs with a mix of D1 ability
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Old 02-11-18, 02:25 PM
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Yep and their you go. I mention the Fed recruiting and Mac and M2M come with a bunch of posts to deflect it back to Massillon. Same crap different year.

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Old 02-11-18, 03:24 PM
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Typical classy move by Massillon poster bringing up a former player's crime. One would think they would stay away from such a topic given their own soiled past of players, booster club presidents and most recently assistant coaches whom have run afoul of the law.

Good job mods. Another thread ruined by these jerks.
It was brought up, not by me, but I elaborated on the comparison between Mumford and Howard.
It’s not like it’s a secret, anyone in the world can type his name in and bam there it is for all to see.
Don’t come on here acting like you are so politically correct that you would never discuss anything bad that’s happened in Massillon or anywhere else in the County for that matter.
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Old 02-11-18, 03:26 PM
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And your real reason for saying they don't fit rear it's ugly head. Charges of racism are always fun.
Where did the “team picture” quote originally come from ????
mck posters do you mind sharing the problems you have had at federal league games ?
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Old 02-11-18, 03:29 PM
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It was several students recruited and multiple coaches.

And it doesn't matter how many times you say it wasn't.
Name them now or go away troll.
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Old 02-11-18, 03:33 PM
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None of that matters the rule states NO CONTACT!! Justify it all you want which is what you Fed people do every time this subject comes up. A kid moves to Massillon and he was 100% recruited. A kid moves to a Fed school and it’s like the parents and kid had no idea their was even a school in that town.

Why do none of the Fed schools complain about Perry wrestling, they have embarrassed every school in the Fed winning by massive amounts with kids from all over the world that their coaches find at wrestling tournaments and nobody says a word.
The fed fans are the biggest hypocrites in the world. Perry wrestling, Hoover softball, Hoover swimming, at the next Hoover swim meet please ask some of the Hoover parents how mad they are at the # of Jackson kids paying to go to Hoover to be on the swim team.
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Old 02-11-18, 03:36 PM
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You honestly believe the family of the kids (brothers) that moved to NC gave up jobs and a house and bought a new house simply to play football at Hoover?
No clearly it was just a coincidence that they moved from the booming metropolis of Fredericktown to North Canton, and wow would you look at that our old coach just happens to be the HC at Hoover.
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Old 02-11-18, 03:38 PM
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Football is 1 of the Federal League's 21 sports. How about boys basketball? Volleyball? Boys and girls Cross country? Boys and girls soccer? Boys and girls tennis? Baseball? Boys and girls golf? Etc., etc.....

It wouldn't be pretty.
Which is exactly why mckinley will be gone from that league before 2025.
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Old 02-11-18, 03:58 PM
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Yep and their you go. I mention the Fed recruiting and Mac and M2M come with a bunch of posts to deflect it back to Massillon. Same crap different year.
Yes....AND AGAIN....nobody will address the Perry wrestling situation.

This question is open to ANYONE....mac....starkravingdad....y2k....jackson0 3....ANYONE....since someone feels this thread needs to exist, "Massillon recruiting" is sure to be a subject discussed. As a Massillon fan, I would like to know ANYONES thoughts on Perry (who is currently in the league) recruiting wrestlers. How is it received within the league? What are other coaches thoughts on it? What are fans thoughts on it? Again....anyone.

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Old 02-11-18, 04:00 PM
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Massiloon fan says "We don't recruit".

Mack posts the OHSAA guilty finding proving they do.

Massiloon fan says "That doesn't count. That was a special case. Other schools do it."

You just can't make this stuff up.
Lol, fed fans invented the, "that doesn't count" mantra.
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Old 02-11-18, 04:14 PM
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Funny, I keep reading all these “how about Perry wrestling” from a few whining Tiger fans, but somebody better tell whoever is allegedly their recruiter to get with it, because they haven’t won a thing in 4 years, except being dominant locally. In fact Brecksville, St. Paris Graham, La Salle and St. Ed’s were seeded higher than Perry in the state duals and I just checked, Perry just got beat by Brecksville in the tourney today, so they’re out.
Maybe Perry better fire their so called recruiter and hire a new one.
What a tired argument...Perry wrestling. Bah, ha, ha.
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Old 02-11-18, 04:43 PM
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Funny, I keep reading all these “how about Perry wrestling” from a few whining Tiger fans, but somebody better tell whoever is allegedly their recruiter to get with it, because they haven’t won a thing in 4 years, except being dominant locally. In fact Brecksville, St. Paris Graham, La Salle and St. Ed’s were seeded higher than Perry in the state duals and I just checked, Perry just got beat by Brecksville in the tourney today, so they’re out.
Maybe Perry better fire their so called recruiter and hire a new one.
What a tired argument...Perry wrestling. Bah, ha, ha.
Check post 134 where starkravingdad says Massillon fans say, "that doesn't count." Your post falls into that category. I don't know what is up with Perry wrestling lately but the fact that they aren't as good doesn't make up for the fact that they got wrestlers from Texas, New York, California, St. Paris Grahm, Carrollton, Claymont, Russia, Lake....etc....etc....etc. One of your kids lived in Carrollton but commuted every day....maybe Perry isn't good because of the coach they hired....they hired him to get his son, right? Maybe this coach is a stand up guy who decided he was going to put a stop to the recruiting habits that Perry wrestling had become accustomed to. Maybe that's why you have fallen off a bit.

My favorite though is when Devin Smith decided he was going to attend Massillon....the recruiting talk was rampant and no explanation about his father attending Massillon or his uncles excelling as football players was going to stop it. The fact that his dad lived in Massillon at the time did little to quell the recruiting talk. Not long after the kid from California moved to Perry to wrestle, as soon as someone mentioned the possibility of recruiting, it was quickly mentioned by Perry posters that it was legit because the young mans mother attended Perry. The epitome of hypocrisy.
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Funny, I keep reading all these “how about Perry wrestling” from a few whining Tiger fans, but somebody better tell whoever is allegedly their recruiter to get with it, because they haven’t won a thing in 4 years, except being dominant locally. In fact Brecksville, St. Paris Graham, La Salle and St. Ed’s were seeded higher than Perry in the state duals and I just checked, Perry just got beat by Brecksville in the tourney today, so they’re out.
Maybe Perry better fire their so called recruiter and hire a new one.
What a tired argument...Perry wrestling. Bah, ha, ha.
Hoover softball ?
Hoover swimming ?
Jackson basketball ?
Are ALL those kids “home grown” from grade school on up ???
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Old 02-11-18, 04:56 PM
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None of that matters the rule states NO CONTACT!!.
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Old 02-11-18, 04:58 PM
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Yes....AND AGAIN....nobody will address the Perry wrestling situation.

This question is open to ANYONE....mac....starkravingdad....y2k....jackson0 3....ANYONE....since someone feels this thread needs to exist, "Massillon recruiting" is sure to be a subject discussed. As a Massillon fan, I would like to know ANYONES thoughts on Perry (who is currently in the league) recruiting wrestlers. How is it received within the league? What are other coaches thoughts on it? What are fans thoughts on it? Again....anyone.
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