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Old 07-22-17, 06:16 AM
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We disagree. That's ok, we are allowed to. I respect your opinion to sympathize with someone that chooses to end their life and leave their family (he had 6 children) behind to suffer. I, however, believe that cowards commit suicide and that it is the single most selfish act that a human being can do.

If "mental illness" is something you believe exists, then maybe there has to be some way you could believe the person making the decision wasn't rational.

My instinct also is to say "coward," there are other ways, there have to be other ways. But my contemplation knows better than to judge too much. A life of never ending extreme pain or being doped out of your mind, think of it. Would you call killing yourself in order to SAVE your family and kids, "cowardly?"

It's not as straightforward a moral judgment as it was when I was young and inexperienced in the lives of people. You get to the point where you've "seen too much" and reevaluate, at least I do.
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Old 07-22-17, 07:46 AM
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I guess there are degrees of cowardice. Not every one is like the disdainfully craven coward. Older people might remember Dr Smith from the Lost in Space TV show as such an extreme example.

Anyone that can function capably in society, kind of raise a family, and achieve a reasonable degree of success at something has the presence to understand the implications of a decision to "check out".

Generally, I believe that the "pain" becomes "too severe to go on" because these are probably self-absorbed people that focus on their discontent and emotional discomfort.
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Old 07-22-17, 08:07 AM
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Madge tells the widow and kids that their mentally ill father and husband was selfish. Nice guy.
Nope. Wrong again as usual. That is exactly where my compassion lies...with those left behind. No compassion for the selfish person that commits the cowardly act. I don't know if you have ever experienced a suicide of someone close to you, but despite my complete dislike of you, I hope you don't.
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Old 07-22-17, 08:12 AM
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Nope. Wrong again as usual. That is exactly where my compassion lies...with those left behind. No compassion for the selfish person that commits the cowardly act. I don't know if you have ever experienced a suicide of someone close to you, but despite my complete dislike of you, I hope you don't.
I have. And judgmental people like you have little compassion to offer those left behind by denigrating their loved one.
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Old 07-22-17, 08:26 AM
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Nope. Wrong again as usual. That is exactly where my compassion lies...with those left behind. No compassion for the selfish person that commits the cowardly act. I don't know if you have ever experienced a suicide of someone close to you, but despite my complete dislike of you, I hope you don't.
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You know, I hate the character that e_p plays in here, but I suspect that the real guy is probably no one that I would really want to be around much, either.

That said, I too still hope that he doesn't ever end up having to comfort the victims left behind by a suicide.
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Old 07-22-17, 08:42 AM
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I too still hope that he doesn't ever end up having to comfort the victims left behind by a suicide.
Well, they'd probably appreciate me not labeling their loved one a coward, but if you or Madge suffer a loss through suicide, maybe you guys can comfort each other by talking about what a miserable, self-centered, selfish person that person was.
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Old 07-22-17, 08:46 AM
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Well, they'd probably appreciate me not labeling their loved one a coward, but if you or Madge suffer a loss through suicide, maybe you guys can comfort each other by talking about what a miserable, self-centered, selfish person that person was.
I know that you aren't that stupid...well I guess I can't be sure based on your posts. Not having compassion for the selfish, coward that commits suicide does not mean that I would relay that to the family you tool.
I assume that you think murderers are fine upstanding people too as long as their judgement was impaired?
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Old 07-22-17, 08:51 AM
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Madge equates suicide to murdering another person. Great analogy. Be sure not to relay that thought to the loved ones you are comforting.
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Old 07-22-17, 08:51 AM
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Well, they'd probably appreciate me not labeling their loved one a coward, but if you or Madge suffer a loss through suicide, maybe you guys can comfort each other by talking about what a miserable, self-centered, selfish person that person was.
Thanks for taking the time to parse out my assessment of you. That's somewhat gratifying.
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Old 07-22-17, 09:32 AM
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You mean take your comments to an uncomfortable conclusion? No problem. Just curious....how close has suicide struck your family?
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Old 07-22-17, 10:01 AM
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You mean take your comments to an uncomfortable conclusion? No problem. Just curious....how close has suicide struck your family?
No, I mean go to the trouble to cut out the part of my post that says that I think you suck, obviously Given those actions, I'd have to say that the only person that was uncomfortable was you, eastside_princess

Thankfully, suicide has not directly affected my family. I've seen friends that have had to deal with it - friends of my sons that had their father punk out on them as just more than toddlers being the first that came to mind. When I compare that to some childhood friends whose parents were killed by a drunk driver, I'd like to dig the guy up and b1tch-slap him if I thought he could somehow feel it. He chose his comfort over that of his children.

I also thought of one probably-suicide that I found kind of acceptable. A local dentist, married to a pharmacist and having no children, was diagnosed with a very aggressive cancer. While under-going chemo, his wife left him and set up housekeeping with another man. His vehicle, with no sign of a skid or course correction, struck a huge concrete bridge abutment in the median of a highway at at least 90 mph. This particular spot was at a big "cloverleaf", removed from any traffic but that above by several hundred feet. I don't know if he had siblings or if his parents were still alive, but no kids.

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Old 07-22-17, 10:11 AM
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One caveat; if Chester, as one who had been sexually abused as a child, had "the disease" that some develop - an overwhelming compulsion to sexually abuse his kids - then I applaud his decision to hang himself. Breaking that cycle in a fool-proof manner is the lesser of two evils.
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Old 07-22-17, 10:11 AM
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Cry me a river. Nothing was misrepresented.

No suicide is acceptable, but suicide itself doesn't make anyone a coward. You just sound like a judgmental ahole, but that seems to be okay with you. It's certainly okay with me.
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Old 07-22-17, 10:13 AM
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Cry me a river. Nothing was misrepresented.

No suicide is acceptable, but suicide itself doesn't make anyone a coward. You just sound like a judgmental ahole, but that seems to be okay with you. It's certainly okay with me.
No one's crying


An ahole just judged me ironically^, though!!

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Old 07-22-17, 10:23 AM
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Cry me a river. Nothing was misrepresented.

No suicide is acceptable, but suicide itself doesn't make anyone a coward. You just sound like a judgmental ahole, but that seems to be okay with you. It's certainly okay with me.
No one is crying. Just disagreeing with you. Which, is clearly unacceptable to you.
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Old 07-22-17, 10:28 AM
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An ahole just judged me ironically^, though!!
Yeah, sorry for judging you for judging others. Do you idiots still use that moronic logic?
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Old 07-22-17, 10:30 AM
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No one is crying. Just disagreeing with you. Which, is clearly unacceptable to you.
So you won't say anything to the family, but you'll denigrate their loved one as a coward to anyone else behind their back? Seems compassionate. You're a good guy!
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Old 07-22-17, 10:38 AM
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Yeah, sorry for judging you for judging others. Do you idiots still use that moronic logic?
"Sorry" is a condition, and you are that. Not sure why you feel the need to apologize........you probably just got done shaving
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Old 07-22-17, 11:04 AM
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"Sorry" is a condition, and you are that. Not sure why you feel the need to apologize........you probably just got done shaving
God that was weak and witless.
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Old 07-22-17, 11:05 AM
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God that was weak and witless.
weak and witless was doubtless what you saw while shaving
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Old 07-22-17, 11:06 AM
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Old 07-22-17, 11:08 AM
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e_p's butt plug killed itself due to job-loathing. Understandable.
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Old 07-22-17, 11:08 AM
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weak and witless was doubtless what you saw while shaving
I like how you are being personal now because I called you out for being a judgemental ahole for calling people who have committed suicide, cowards. What a stand up guy!
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Old 07-22-17, 11:09 AM
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e_p's butt plug killed itself due to job-loathing. Understandable.
Someone is upset and lashing out because I called him out on here. Funny.
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Old 07-22-17, 11:11 AM
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I like how you are being personal now because I called you out for being a judgemental ahole for calling people who have committed suicide, cowards. What a stand up guy!
More irony from the author of "Madge", "RanchHand", "cabadabaweirdo", et al.
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Someone is upset and lashing out because I called him out on here. Funny.
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Old 07-22-17, 11:13 AM
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More irony from the author of "Madge", "RanchHand", "cabadabaweirdo", et al.
You forgot slidebí. Now you're butthurt over funny nicknames.
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Old 07-22-17, 11:27 AM
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You forgot slidebí. Now you're butthurt over funny nicknames.
That is another example of what you just called "personal". Pretty obvious

As always, troll-turds like you count on other people to forget what they've posted in the past. When one applies the claims and value judgments that you have made about others to your own posts in the same manner, it would seem to any thinking person that you are absolutely full of crap.

Your desperation is always evident when you go to the "Now you're butthurt.... " e-p meme. All you need now is a few troll-let clones jumping in
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Old 07-22-17, 11:31 AM
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Nicknames are funny. Sorry if yours hurts your feelings. I feel bad now.
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Old 07-22-17, 11:33 AM
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Yes, you are still "sorry". True enough.
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