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Old 06-19-12, 07:23 AM
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Time to get the juices flowing - Ohio Olympic Memories

Dave Wottle - 1972 800m Final -
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Old 06-19-12, 03:57 PM
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Dave Wottle - 1972 800m Final -
One of my all time favorites, and one of the best (strategic) races ever run IMO
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Old 06-19-12, 04:19 PM
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One of my all time favorites, and one of the best (strategic) races ever run IMO
The 2 big factors that I saw play into Wottle's hands during the race, as I see them, are: 1) between 400m-450m, Wottle establishes contact with the back of the pack after being well back between 300-400m, and 2) the leaders failed to press the pace between the 400m-500m marks, thus slowing down the entire pack and allowing for Wottle to be only 5-7m back of the leader at the 500m point, too close. They played into his hands.

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Old 06-19-12, 04:31 PM
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Wottles race tactics would never win today.
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Old 06-19-12, 05:10 PM
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I think Wottle's tactics could win today as he ran even splits and let others do the early work... similar to Kidder's tactics and he won as well. I know that wasn't "today" but it worked 2 weeks ago.
Granted, that at the world class level nowadays those even splits would be 51.5 each quarter instead of the 52.5's that Wottle ran. The pack that ran under 25.0 the first 200 set it up for Wottle and faith in his own ablilties, and luck also played into it.... a great race.
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Old 06-19-12, 05:23 PM
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Wottles race tactics would never win today.
Correct me if I'm wrong, but what you're saying is that nobody good enough to win the gold these days would dare try to run even splits?

I could agree with that.
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Old 06-20-12, 05:52 AM
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Bob Schul. Last three laps of 5000m Tokyo 1964.

Frank Shorter quote- "Bob Schul ran his final lap, on a muddy track, in just over 54 seconds, his last 300 meters as fast as Peter Snell had sprinted the same distance to win the 1500m in the same games but on a dry track. From 10 meters behind going into the final turn, Bob ran down Michel Jazy, the prerace favorite who held the world record for the mile."


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Bob Schul. Last three laps of 5000m Tokyo 1964.

Frank Shorter quote- "Bob Schul ran his final lap, on a muddy track, in just over 54 seconds, his last 300 meters as fast as Peter Snell had sprinted the same distance to win the 1500m in the same games but on a dry track. From 10 meters behind going into the final turn, Bob ran down Michel Jazy, the prerace favorite who held the world record for the mile."



hard to believe you would post a Schul video!!!!!!
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Old 08-02-17, 10:33 AM
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Old 08-02-17, 10:35 AM
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Wottles race tactics would never win today.
Yes they would. How many heats are there in the 800m? Look how Centrowitz won Gold.
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Old 08-02-17, 11:52 AM
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Yes they would. How many heats are there in the 800m? Look how Centrowitz won Gold.
Dave ran a nice race and won the 800 in 1:45. Would that time even make it out of round 1 today? he went something like 53.3 on the first lap, he would be easily 4 seconds behind and have no contact with anyone.
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Old 08-02-17, 03:37 PM
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I ran against Dave Wottle in college it was in a 1000 yard race at the French Fieldhouse. I should say I was in the same field. He blew everyone away from the start. My college coach tried to train us like Schul with the gallop and then easy runs. I just never could grasp the concept at that time. I was use to the straight interval training
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Old 08-02-17, 08:17 PM
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Why did the OHSAA make the runners wear numbers? How stupid! How 2017! Come on OHSAA, it's the Olympics for heavens sake.
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Old 08-02-17, 08:41 PM
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Dave ran a nice race and won the 800 in 1:45. Would that time even make it out of round 1 today? he went something like 53.3 on the first lap, he would be easily 4 seconds behind and have no contact with anyone.
You originally were talking tactics. Now you're talking about race times. Tactics and times are two different things. We have no idea what exertion Wottle spent for the prelims.

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Old 08-03-17, 10:56 AM
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My favorite Olympic memories of Ohio athletes start here:

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Perhaps the best Ohio Olympic memories were generated by a couple of kids from East Technical HS on East 55th in Cleveland...
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Old 08-04-17, 10:36 AM
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Perhaps the best Ohio Olympic memories were generated by a couple of kids from East Technical HS on East 55th in Cleveland...
Coach, I was at a conference once where a coach from Florida was explaining that the reason southern states were so much better at HS track and field than northern states was tradition. (Full disclosure, this was a bunch of us out for a few drinks after class, and he had more than a couple.) A couple of us responded with "Huh?" He looks at me (the only Ohio coach there) and says "You're from Ohio. Name one really well known TF star from Ohio." A coach from the Houston area looked at him and said "You're kidding, right?"
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Old 08-04-17, 11:15 AM
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Perhaps the best Ohio Olympic memories were generated by a couple of kids from East Technical HS on East 55th in Cleveland...
My memory doesn't extend that far.
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Old 08-05-17, 08:38 AM
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I guess that coach from Florida never heard of Edwin Moses, Butch Reynolds, Joe Greene, Madeline Manning, Dave Wottle, etc., etc., just to name a few within the last 50 yrs. This could go on forever, or just a lot longer, but Ohio has had a DOMINANT footprint on Olympic Glory of past years.

What an ignorant coach.
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Old 08-06-17, 05:41 AM
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Speaking of Ohio Olympic athletes, Emily Infield ran a nice 10000 meters yesterday to finish a very respectable 6th behind Ethiopia, Ethiopia, Kenya, Kenya, and just getting leaned by the Netherlands. She ran 31:20. The winner ran 30:16, pretty fast, right? Well pace was slow at the start, 1st 5000 meters in 15:51, she came back in 14:25!!!! That is 14 seconds off the women's world record for 5000 meters!!!! In the second half of her race and only 3rd time she has run the event.

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Old 08-06-17, 03:32 PM
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I guess that coach from Florida never heard of Edwin Moses, Butch Reynolds, Joe Greene, Madeline Manning, Dave Wottle, etc., etc., just to name a few within the last 50 yrs. This could go on forever, or just a lot longer, but Ohio has had a DOMINANT footprint on Olympic Glory of past years.

What an ignorant coach.
Oh he had, he was just on a drink fueled rant. When the other coaches looked at him, there was a long pause. They stared. The Texas coach asked him who the most famous US track and field athlete of all time was. As he thought about it you could just about see the moment when Jesse Owens popped into his head.
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