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Old 04-25-18, 10:07 AM
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Wayne Invite

Next to Eastern Relays this is the best meet in the Midwest.

This is the best meet in Ohio in the regular season. And in some aspects and events better than the state meet.

When do entries and heat sheets come out?
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Old 04-25-18, 10:09 AM
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my guess is late thursday night.
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Old 04-25-18, 10:31 AM
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Meet starts Thursday afternoon, so probably tonight.
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Old 04-25-18, 11:02 AM
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Heat Sheets are out now.

http://live.finishtiming.com/#/results/meet/201800121
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Old 04-25-18, 11:27 AM
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man oh man that is fast in everything!!!!

BTW, Coach Fern and his family has the best spread of food I have ever seen at a track meet.
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Old 04-26-18, 06:48 AM
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Wayne is a fine meet but I'm not sure if it's "the best meet in Ohio in the regular season." In some years, yes, it's probably the best invite. In other years it could arguably be challenged by the Rod Russell Mason Invite as being the "best." "Best" is a highly subjective label, anyway. Both are excellent meets.
Mason could be considered a top 5-10 meet. But nothing compares to the Wayne meet.

Let's do some data and figure out which meet is better. It would take couple of hours of time. Going to both meets every year, I would say Mason has some top level talent just because you have many of the same top teams in the state Centerville, Wayne and Mason. But Wayne has much much more depth.
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Old 04-26-18, 08:32 AM
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Mason could be considered a top 5-10 meet. But nothing compares to the Wayne meet.

Let's do some data and figure out which meet is better. It would take couple of hours of time. Going to both meets every year, I would say Mason has some top level talent just because you have many of the same top teams in the state Centerville, Wayne and Mason. But Wayne has much much more depth.
You are correct!
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Old 04-28-18, 12:07 AM
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Dustin Horter's 800m run of 1:50.73 was a school record, Cincinnati city record, and Wayne Inv. record. According to US Milesplit rankings, it's the third fastest time in the country this year.

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Old 04-28-18, 07:33 AM
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I didn't see that coming from Horter. I knew he had good 800 potential but with a previous PR of 1:53.7, I figured him to be a 1:52ish guy while in high school. This cements my opinion that Horter will do a 800/1600 double at State since the 1600/3200 is nearly impossible.
Scott Fry did it in 1985: 4:08.03 and 8:49.40. I put Horter in the same class as Fry, so why not?
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Old 04-28-18, 07:55 AM
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I didn't see that coming from Horter. I knew he had good 800 potential but with a previous PR of 1:53.7, I figured him to be a 1:52ish guy while in high school.
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Old 04-28-18, 08:59 AM
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High School announcers were great! Pure emotion.

State champ is in second place by 80 meters!
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Old 04-28-18, 11:20 AM
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HORRIBLE camera work and announcing. Both should be done by adults, not children.

Fantastic run by Horter. Congrats to him and his coaches.
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Old 04-28-18, 03:48 PM
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Scott Fry did it in 1985: 4:08.03 and 8:49.40. I put Horter in the same class as Fry, so why not?
Joel Marchand '80 (John Zishka finished 2nd 4:07 something won 3200)

Brian Hasson '81

Lowell Terrell finished 3rd (I think...but he was sub 4:15) won 3200 and Scott Fry lost to Dan Franek in the 3200 by a nose, but won the 1600 '84

Mark Croghan and Bob Henes both did it in '86

Bob Kennedy '87

Brian Norris (2nd in 1600 but won 3200) '88


Everyone doubled in the 80's. I personally would love to see Lowell Terrell run today with today's training. He was unreal.
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Old 04-28-18, 04:32 PM
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This got me going back and looking at old results. Add Zishka's junior year to the list of winning the 1600 and 3200 (1979). I remember it being very cold either that year or the year before ('78). I'm still looking so I will post anything I think you may find interesting.
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Old 04-28-18, 05:13 PM
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There are a lot of variables. What was the weather like in that day in 1985? Usually the weather at the state meet consists of brutally hot temperatures. Who were the other runners in the field? While the schedule for 2018 hasn't yet been posted, if it is the same as the one that Psychodad posted there is only 1:05 between the 1600 & 3200. If brutally hot, as it often is, and with the expected effort it will require to win the 1600, it's a difficult double. The 1600/800 is more doable though there appears to only be 55 minutes between the events.
Adding only 10 more minutes rest to run the 3200 double instead of the 800 double seems way off and makes it sound near impossible to run the 1600/3200. I assume they run the 200 after the 800, and then these GUYS will
have the girls 3200 before them. Sounds good for about 25 more minutes to me.
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Adding only 10 more minutes rest to run the 3200 double instead of the 800 double seems way off and makes it sound near impossible to run the 1600/3200. I assume they run the 200 after the 800, and then these GUYS will
have the girls 3200 before them. Sounds good for about 25 more minutes to me.
Don't forget that for a period of time they ran all 3 divisions together. "A", "AA", "AAA" so the rest was considerably more during that time frame. Three races of each certainly helped doubling or tripling back then.
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Old 04-28-18, 08:35 PM
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HORRIBLE camera work and announcing. Both should be done by adults, not children.

Fantastic run by Horter. Congrats to him and his coaches.
This was likely never meant to be a professional production - probably just JV athletes filming for their coaches. Some teams film their meets or at least the races where they have entrants. Not many adults are clamoring to get that gig.
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Old 04-28-18, 09:56 PM
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Don't forget that for a period of time they ran all 3 divisions together. "A", "AA", "AAA" so the rest was considerably more during that time frame. Three races of each certainly helped doubling or tripling back then.
When was that? Not in the 80's.
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Old 04-29-18, 07:01 AM
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When was that? Not in the 80's.
they did in 90-91 because I was there
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Old 04-29-18, 09:11 AM
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I have the state meet schedule from 1985. Class AA 1600m scheduled for 9:50 a.m., class AA 3200m scheduled for 11:00 a.m. Fry won both.

I was in the stands for the 1994 state meet. It was blazing hot that day, temperature in the mid-90s. I was an eyewitness to Doug Bockenstette's 1600-3200 double. I have the state meet schedule. Boys 1600m scheduled for 1:40 p.m and 3200m scheduled for 2:45 p.m.

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Old 04-29-18, 09:00 PM
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loved the kids on the video...pure teenage excitement
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Old 04-29-18, 09:16 PM
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This was likely never meant to be a professional production - probably just JV athletes filming for their coaches. Some teams film their meets or at least the races where they have entrants. Not many adults are clamoring to get that gig.
I agree with you. Perhaps I came across as a bit too harsh in tone. Kids excitement is understandable. It would be great if there was a more "stable" film of the race out there...one that follows the leader with a sufficiently wide view to show the position of other runners as well.
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Old 04-30-18, 07:32 AM
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Have you ever listened to live feeds from Flotrack, I think these kids did a better job.

As for Horter, if he goes for it at state like this (especially going for a sub 4 mile which I believe he is after) he will be the greatest track athlete ever in the state of Ohio.

To many guys like See or Neff (who both could have went under) never went for it.
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Old 04-30-18, 07:52 AM
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Did Lancaster's Brandon Kidder come closest with his 4:03.12 mile time at the Adidas Grand Prix Dream Mile in 2012.
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Have you ever listened to live feeds from Flotrack, I think these kids did a better job.

As for Horter, if he goes for it at state like this (especially going for a sub 4 mile which I believe he is after) he will be the greatest track athlete ever in the state of Ohio.

To many guys like See or Neff (who both could have went under) never went for it.
While it would be amazing if we were to go under 4:00 (even if not actually for a mile) I don't see him winning the 800 in that case. As for that making him the greatest track athlete ever in the state? No. It would be one of the best state meet performances in history, but not even necessarily the best there. And better than Jesse Owens because he runs the 800 after trying for a sub 4:00 1600? Huh?
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I think it would be cool to see Horter go after Bob Kennedy's 4:05.13 D1 record, still standing after almost 30 years. He would probably need help to shoot for sub 4, and I don't see that happening during the official Ohio season.
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Old 04-30-18, 08:13 PM
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I would not be surprised if Horter broke Kennedy's state meet record. (I also would not be surprised if he does not.) Depending on who runs the 1600, it might take a 4:05 or better to win it. I could also easily see a 4:10 winning it if several of the top contenders are doubling and it turns into a more tactical race.
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The problem with attempting sub-4 at State is that you aren't going to get any help in the last 800m. Sub 4:05 is much more reasonable...Horter can click off 62-63 second laps, then go 58-59 for the last go around and get the record. But sub-4 requires 60-61 laps, then hoping you're not spent so much that you can go 58-59 on the last lap. I see a 4:03-4:04 as being reasonable. In any case, however, if Horter attempts the 1600 record, he'll have to throttle back a bit on the 3200m during the first 5-6 laps. I've seen too many great athletes crash-and-burn attempting a quality double at State.
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The problem with attempting sub-4 at State is that you aren't going to get any help in the last 800m. Sub 4:05 is much more reasonable...Horter can click off 62-63 second laps, then go 58-59 for the last go around and get the record. But sub-4 requires 60-61 laps, then hoping you're not spent so much that you can go 58-59 on the last lap. I see a 4:03-4:04 as being reasonable. In any case, however, if Horter attempts the 1600 record, he'll have to throttle back a bit on the 3200m during the first 5-6 laps. I've seen too many great athletes crash-and-burn attempting a quality double at State.
I don't see an attempt to run sub 4:00. I think he will try to win. He just isn't far enough ahead of the rest of the field that the risk of trying to run sub 4:00 is worth it. As I said, winning may require a sub 4:05 effort, depending on who runs the 1600.
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Have you ever listened to live feeds from Flotrack, I think these kids did a better job.

As for Horter, if he goes for it at state like this (especially going for a sub 4 mile which I believe he is after) he will be the greatest track athlete ever in the state of Ohio.

To many guys like See or Neff (who both could have went under) never went for it.
See's teams were always in contention for team trophies (4th or better all 4 of his years), so he had the additional duty of racing for team points, but hey, if it makes you feel good to continue casting aspersions on guys who successfully completed distance doubles at state, go for it.
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