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Old 01-14-19, 01:37 AM
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What is the Chinese government hiding?
Better question … what is the Chinese government faking?

Reminded me of the movie Operation Avalanche:

https://www.space.com/34090-operatio...ding-film.html

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Old 01-15-19, 08:38 PM
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Here's some more on China's dark side of the moon adventures:

https://www.theguardian.com/science/...shoot-change-4

A small green shoot is growing on the moon after a cotton seed germinated onboard a Chinese lunar lander, scientists said.

The sprout has emerged from a lattice-like structure inside a canister after the Chang’e 4 lander touched down earlier this month, according to a series of photos released by the Advanced Technology Research Institute at Chongqing University.

“This is the first time humans have done biological growth experiments on the lunar surface,” said Xie Gengxin, who led the design of the experiment, on Tuesday.

Plants have been grown previously on the International Space Station, but this is the first time a seed has sprouted on the moon. The ability to grow plants in space is seen as crucial for long-term space missions and establishing human outposts elsewhere in the solar system, such as Mars.



This is a cool experiment but doesn't it just figure the Chinese would be growing a CASH crop not a food crop on the moon.
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Old 01-16-19, 01:44 PM
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This is pretty amusing

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Old 01-20-19, 07:30 PM
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Just a reminder that the total lunar eclipse is tonight!

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Mark your calendars for next Sunday!

Blood Moon 2019: A Great Total Lunar Eclipse Is Coming Soon!

https://www.space.com/42976-blood-mo...ming-soon.html



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Old 01-22-19, 01:22 AM
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Even though I froze my azz off, crystal clear skies and a pair of binoculars made this viewing pretty spectacular! Just wish my photos came out better.
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Old 01-23-19, 09:30 AM
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We're on the edge of a massive effort to colonize the Solar System:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/techn...ter/ar-BBSzRVa


The European Space Agency (ESA) is hoping to start mining on the Moon by 2025. The ESA has signed a 12-month contract with the rocket maker ArianeGroup to study and prepare for the mission which aims to extract regolith, or Moon rock.

Regolith covers the entire lunar surface to a depth of at least 12 feet, as it made up of a mix of clays, glass fragments, minerals and chemical compounds like iron oxide from which oxygen, water and fuel could be extracted.

Many space agencies now believe space mining is crucial for the establishment of permanent lunar bases or colonies.



NASA, ESA, China & private enterprise are moving fast across a broad number of fronts. The "land" rush for the solar system is about to begin.
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Old 01-24-19, 10:16 AM
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Even though I froze my azz off, crystal clear skies and a pair of binoculars made this viewing pretty spectacular! Just wish my photos came out better.
FootballFan, did you happen to see this:

http://digg.com/2019/super-blood-wol...-meteor-strike

I didn't and it was hard t see on the video at the link but it still is pretty cool and the timing is amazing!
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Old 01-24-19, 05:23 PM
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FootballFan, did you happen to see this:

http://digg.com/2019/super-blood-wol...-meteor-strike

I didn't and it was hard to see on the video at the link but it still is pretty cool and the timing is amazing!
No, I missed it , but my kid has a Galileoscope and might have caught it ... I'll ask.



Cool videos, though!

And here are a few photos of the meteor strike, from Space.com:

https://www.space.com/43075-blood-mo...act-video.html

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Old 01-28-19, 06:16 PM
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We're on the edge of a massive effort to colonize the Solar System:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/techn...ter/ar-BBSzRVa


The European Space Agency (ESA) is hoping to start mining on the Moon by 2025. The ESA has signed a 12-month contract with the rocket maker ArianeGroup to study and prepare for the mission which aims to extract regolith, or Moon rock.

Regolith covers the entire lunar surface to a depth of at least 12 feet, as it made up of a mix of clays, glass fragments, minerals and chemical compounds like iron oxide from which oxygen, water and fuel could be extracted.

Many space agencies now believe space mining is crucial for the establishment of permanent lunar bases or colonies.



NASA, ESA, China & private enterprise are moving fast across a broad number of fronts. The "land" rush for the solar system is about to begin.
Here's the latest on the ESA's plans to mine the Moon!

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/techn...ust/ar-BBSElAf
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Old 01-29-19, 06:01 PM
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Now this is just a tad bit disquieting:

https://www.sciencealert.com/earth-c...ays-astronomer


Particle accelerators, like the Large Hadron Collider, shoot particles at incredibly high speeds, smash them together, and observe the fallout.

These high speed collisions have helped us discover lots of new particles, but according to Rees, this isn't without its risks.

In his 2018 book, called On The Future: Prospects for Humanity, he gives some pretty bleak outlooks.

"Maybe a black hole could form, and then suck in everything around it," he writes, as Sarah Knapton reported over at the Telegraph. "The second scary possibility is that the quarks would reassemble themselves into compressed objects called strangelets."

"That in itself would be harmless. However under some hypotheses a strangelet could, by contagion, convert anything else it encounters into a new form of matter, transforming the entire earth in a hyperdense sphere about one hundred metres across."
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Old 01-29-19, 06:14 PM
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Now this is just a tad bit disquieting:

https://www.sciencealert.com/earth-c...ays-astronomer


Particle accelerators, like the Large Hadron Collider, shoot particles at incredibly high speeds, smash them together, and observe the fallout.

These high speed collisions have helped us discover lots of new particles, but according to Rees, this isn't without its risks.

In his 2018 book, called On The Future: Prospects for Humanity, he gives some pretty bleak outlooks.

"Maybe a black hole could form, and then suck in everything around it," he writes, as Sarah Knapton reported over at the Telegraph. "The second scary possibility is that the quarks would reassemble themselves into compressed objects called strangelets."

"That in itself would be harmless. However under some hypotheses a strangelet could, by contagion, convert anything else it encounters into a new form of matter, transforming the entire earth in a hyperdense sphere about one hundred metres across."
Hopefully it's the theoretical physicists' version of the Y2K problem or the world ending December 21, 2012 (according to the incredibly accurate Mayan Calendar).

Hopefully...
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Old 01-30-19, 10:42 PM
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Some more big news for those of us wanting to establish permanent colony's on Mars:

https://behindtheblack.com/behind-th...e-across-mars/

A science paper released today and available for download [pdf] cites evidence from about two dozen deep impact craters located from the equator to 37 degrees north latitude that Mars has a ground ice table at an elevation that also corresponds to other shoreline features.

Translation: drill a well and you'll hit water!

The third take-away from this paper however is possibly the most important. The evidence suggests that this deep groundwater water table (as ice) almost certainly still exists at all latitudes, though almost entirely underground. From a future explorer’s perspective, this data reinforces the possibility that water will be accessible across much of the Martian surface. All you will have to do is dig a well, something humans have been doing on Earth for eons.
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Old 02-02-19, 01:31 PM
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And the search for extraterrestrial life in our solar system moves on:

https://www.space.com/42989-ocean-mo...ad-inside.html


For more than two decades, scientists have wondered whether extraterrestrial life may be flourishing deep below the icy coatings boasted by moons in our outer solar system.

Spacecraft like the Galileo mission to Jupiter and the Cassini mission to Saturn have stumbled on evidence that some of their moons hide global oceans, warmed by the pull of the giant planet they orbit. And oceanic explorers much closer to home have discovered dynamic communities living in darkness around geologic features on the ocean floor. Combine the two and it's easy to be carried away with dreams of alien seafloors teeming with microbes. But new research is looking deeper, into the rock itself, and suggesting that these worlds may be dead inside — not just biologically, but geologically as well.



Remember, this is a marathon and not a sprint.
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Old 02-04-19, 10:17 AM
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It's still amazing we've got a little dune buggy running around on Mars collecting all sorts of interesting data!

https://www.upi.com/Science_News/201...49044033/?sl=2


Scientists were able to map Mars' gravity by repurposing data collected by the Curiosity rover's navigational sensors.

After realizing Curiosity's accelerometers can be used like gravimeters when the rover is at a standstill, scientists surveyed navigational data collected during the mission's first five years. Researchers were able to plot changes in the Red Planet's gravity along the path the rover took as it ascended Mount Sharp.

The new gravity data allowed scientists to estimate the density of the underlying rock along the rover's route. Gravity is weaker on the slopes of Mount Sharp than scientists expected, suggesting the sedimentary rock that forms the mountain isn't all that dense.

"The lower levels of Mount Sharp are surprisingly porous," Kevin Lewis of Johns Hopkins University said in a news release. "We know the bottom layers of the mountain were buried over time. That compacts them, making them denser. But this finding suggests they weren't buried by as much material as we thought."



Porous rock layers might explain all that ground water waiting for us to pump out!
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Old 02-04-19, 01:33 PM
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Old 02-04-19, 04:53 PM
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It is our destiny!
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Old 02-05-19, 09:37 AM
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The exponential explosion in space exploration we're currently seeing isn't because governments are investing it's because private enterprise has decided to jump into the fray:

https://www.space.com/43209-first-pr...-the-moon.html


The moon's next visitor is different. SpaceIL's Beresheet — Hebrew for "In the Beginning" — will become the first privately funded mission to launch from Earth and land on the moon, and the first spacecraft to propel itself over the lunar surface after landing by "hopping" on its rocket engine to a second landing spot. The mission marks yet another milestone, not only in the history and technical arc of space exploration, but also in how humankind goes about space exploration.

SpaceIL was founded in 2011 to compete in the Google Lunar XPrize, a program that planned to award US$30 million to the first privately funded team who could build a spacecraft and land it successfully on the moon. Beyond landing, the spacecraft, or a rover, had to travel a distance of 500 meters or more and beam high-definition imagery of the landing environment to Earth. The Google Lunar XPrize contest deadline ended in 2018 without a winner. Undaunted, SpaceIL forged ahead with the development and construction of the spacecraft, and is now ready to launch from Cape Canaveral, Florida.

The Beresheet lander is about the size and shape of a family dinner table, roughly 6 feet in diameter and 4 feet high, weighing (on Earth) about 350 pounds. This doesn't include the nearly 1,000 pounds of fuel needed to land the spacecraft on the moon. Carrying instrumentation to measure the magnetic field of the moon, a laser-reflector provided by NASA and a time-capsule of cultural and historical Israeli artifacts, the mission will ride into space as a secondary payload — like a rideshare passenger — aboard a SpaceX Falcon 9 rocket.
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Old 02-06-19, 05:25 PM
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Something our homes have in common with the International Space Stations: Leaking toilets!

http://www.spacedaily.com/reports/Ov...ource_999.html


Over 10 liters of water leaked from the toilet at the US segment of the International Space Station (ISS) on Friday and had to be collected across the segment by the crew using towels, a source in the Russian space industry told Sputnik Monday.
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Old 02-07-19, 07:41 AM
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In case you were wondering where starman and his Tesla Roadster were:

https://www.space.com/43242-spacex-f...niversary.html


Car and driver moved beyond Mars' orbit in early November, and they're still out there now, more than 226 million miles (364 million kilometers) from Earth, according to the tracking site whereisroadster.com. And the Roadster will stay out in those distant reaches for a while yet — its orbital period is about 557 Earth days.

The Tesla will likely make quite a few laps around the sun before its deep-space adventure comes to an end. An orbit-modeling study performed last year predicted that the space car will eventually slam into either Venus or Earth, probably within the next few tens of millions of years. But there's just a 6 percent chance that it will hit Earth within the next million years, and a 2.5 percent chance of a Venus impact in that same timespan, the study's authors calculated.


I could just see the Roadster coming around to smack into the earth in a million years and triggering a war between the Martian Hegemony & the Earth Collective!
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Old 02-07-19, 03:32 PM
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In case you were wondering where starman and his Tesla Roadster were:

https://www.space.com/43242-spacex-f...niversary.html


Car and driver moved beyond Mars' orbit in early November, and they're still out there now, more than 226 million miles (364 million kilometers) from Earth, according to the tracking site whereisroadster.com. And the Roadster will stay out in those distant reaches for a while yet — its orbital period is about 557 Earth days.

The Tesla will likely make quite a few laps around the sun before its deep-space adventure comes to an end. An orbit-modeling study performed last year predicted that the space car will eventually slam into either Venus or Earth, probably within the next few tens of millions of years. But there's just a 6 percent chance that it will hit Earth within the next million years, and a 2.5 percent chance of a Venus impact in that same timespan, the study's authors calculated.


I could just see the Roadster coming around to smack into the earth in a million years and triggering a war between the Martian Hegemony & the Earth Collective!
And something else is with Starman:

Elon Musk’s Tesla Roadster in space has an Easter egg featuring SpaceX employee names

https://www.teslarati.com/elon-bound...mployee-names/

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As revealed recently by the private space company, the electric sports car is carrying what appears to be one final easter egg in its journey — a plaque featuring the names of SpaceX employees.

Images of the Tesla Roadster and Starman’s unique cargo were shared by the SpaceX Jobs Twitter account yesterday, exactly one year following Falcon Heavy’s inaugural launch. The names are laser-engraved to the base attached on Starman’s Roadster, and are arranged to form SpaceX’s logo.


May not last long, though!

SPACE MUST HAVE TOTALED ELON MUSK’S TESLA ROADSTER BY NOW

https://www.syfy.com/syfywire/space-...oadster-by-now

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As the astro-mannequin cruised in an orbit around the sun and beyond Mars for the past year, his roadster was getting bombarded with micrometeorites, which relentlessly dented that shiny red exterior. It won’t stay bright red for long. Cosmic rays and solar radiation will rip apart the carbon-carbon bonds in the car’s plastic, leather, and fabric components. The paint may already be gone, along with the tires and luxe leather seats.

"Those organics, in that environment, I wouldn't give them a year," chemist William Carroll told LiveScience.

The Tesla will probably still be in orbit a million years from now, though it will probably be an aluminum skeleton at that point. It’s already maxed out its warranty some 10,000 times. Tesla’s current warranty for a used roadster is 50,000 miles. Starman has already done 470 million miles on the open road—more like open space.
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Old 02-07-19, 05:19 PM
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Wonder what that alien invasion would think of that thing? Bet they'd turn around thinking, these people don't even need space suits!

You could probably have a whole tv series about that. Mannequin be a better actor than most of the lost in space crowd, original and versions.
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Old 02-07-19, 05:30 PM
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Wonder what that alien invasion would think of that thing? Bet they'd turn around thinking, these people don't even need space suits!

You could probably have a whole tv series about that. Mannequin be a better actor than most of the lost in space crowd, original and versions.
I beg to differ Eastisbest. One of the great omissions in Emmy history was that Dr. Smith never won the best actor award.






Bad acting indeed!
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Old 02-07-19, 05:50 PM
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Old 02-08-19, 09:13 AM
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This guy is from Harvard so it must be true:

https://www.express.co.uk/news/scien...hicago-tribune


It's an update on that weird cigar shaped interstellar object that entered the solar system last year.
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Old 02-08-19, 12:07 PM
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Anyone else watching that Mars series? Merges real life, interactions with Space X, NASA... with the story? I just watched first ep. So much in it, I'll have to watch again to get the full affect but definitely potential.
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Old 02-08-19, 06:08 PM
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This guy is from Harvard so it must be true:

https://www.express.co.uk/news/scien...hicago-tribune


It's an update on that weird cigar shaped interstellar object that entered the solar system last year.
Maybe Oumuamua is the mothership that the Heaven's Gate cult was waiting for, not Comet Hale-Bopp.
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Old 02-09-19, 09:48 AM
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If you're into rockets here's a wonderful history of the legendary Saturn 5 monster:

https://www.popularmechanics.com/spa...her-von-braun/
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Old 02-09-19, 09:53 AM
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Here is a thought provoking opinion piece from Law Professor Glen Reynolds (who also runs the Instapundit blog):

https://www.popularmechanics.com/spa...a3778/4294346/


But I hope we don't find any life there at all. I hope that Mars is as dead as a doornail. Even deader, since most doornails, in fact, harbor bacterial life. Dead as the moon, then.

Why am I such a spoilsport? Because life on Mars would make life on Earth a lot more complicated. First, imagine that there's no life on Mars. That means we can go there, as we did on lunar missions, with no serious worries about bringing back deadly germs. (We initially quarantined Apollo astronauts upon their return to Earth. But by Apollo 15 NASA had concluded that the moon was as lifeless as, well, the moon.) No concerns about bringing deadly bacteria home, and none about contaminating the moon with earthly bacteria that might mess up its biospheric ecology.

If Mars is equally lifeless, that will make exploring--and later settling--the planet much easier. We can go there and return without this particular worry, and we can introduce Earth life without concerns that we'll damage indigenous creatures. Astronauts won't have to be quarantined, and the environmental impact statement, or its interplanetary equivalent, will be easier to determine. On the other hand, if there is life on Mars, things get a lot tougher.



Reynold's argument makes a lot of sense and as he would say on his blog "read the whole thing". BUT, I disagree and hope we find life on Mars for the simple fact that such a discovery rewrites our understanding of the universe.
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Old 02-09-19, 07:29 PM
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Where there's water and a stable, warm temperature, there is bound to be life! I am 100% convinced there are microbes on Mars!
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Old 02-10-19, 05:26 PM
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Where there's water and a stable, warm temperature, there is bound to be life! I am 100% convinced there are microbes on Mars!
I agree 100%. And it wouldn't surprise me a bit if they found a fossil record of more complex life dating from several hundred million years ago.
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