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Old 06-14-18, 05:55 PM
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Hoban winning titles, let alone games, is just as impressive as Saint Edward winning. Stack the deck and good things happen.


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Old 06-14-18, 06:00 PM
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If Mick is better he will play ahead of Hamm. Thatís the way coach T is if you have been paying attention. Everyone said last year that it wasnít a fair competition when Hamm beat out the senior. I think his performance on the field spoke for itself. You canít use the height argument because the same could be said for Hamm who is about the same height as Mick. Mick will play somewhere as I stated previously. It just may not be at QB.
The kid Hamm beat out last year really just wasn't that good, just being Honest... His IQ was weak and his arm just wasn't that strong..."just being Honest"....Great kid just not on the level of Hamm on the feild,Hamm is about 2 to 3 inches tall then Mick and has him by a few pounds...Both of them are great boys and really good QB... Either way the Knights will be in good hands
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Old 06-14-18, 06:05 PM
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Hoban winning titles, let alone games, is just as impressive as Saint Edward winning. Stack the deck and good things happen.


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It is obviously a huge advantage to draw from a large area, but they still have to produce on the field. Hoban is very talented, but they are also well coached and fundamentally sound. That's a tough combo to beat, as you well know. Back when Dave coached Avon Lake they were always so fundamentally sound and physical, and the years when they had special talent were great years as a result. Hoban has that going in a huge way, now.
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Old 06-14-18, 06:18 PM
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Hobans backfield should be called the four horsemen....All big strong and fast, it will be a pick your poison kind of deal...All four RB 200lbs plus...
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Old 06-14-18, 10:18 PM
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High School football is not the neighborhood sport it once was. There are still local rivalries and the like, but technology has changed the game. You use to read the Saturday Sportspage to find out what happened the night before. Now video is posted immediately and sites like Max Preps and others like it have results, stats, etc posted hourly. ESPN, Fox Sports, NBC Sports and others, broadcast games weekly. Kids who are serious about moving on know this, and know they need to play for a winner, if they want to be seen. Although itís tough on the local public school and a parochial program which is down, you canít blame the kid for playing where he thinks heíll get his best shot. With camps, scouts, and big time college $$$ in the mix ďIt is what it isĒ.
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Old 06-15-18, 08:52 AM
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High School football is not the neighborhood sport it once was. There are still local rivalries and the like, but technology has changed the game. You use to read the Saturday Sportspage to find out what happened the night before. Now video is posted immediately and sites like Max Preps and others like it have results, stats, etc posted hourly. ESPN, Fox Sports, NBC Sports and others, broadcast games weekly. Kids who are serious about moving on know this, and know they need to play for a winner, if they want to be seen. Although itís tough on the local public school and a parochial program which is down, you canít blame the kid for playing where he thinks heíll get his best shot. With camps, scouts, and big time college $$$ in the mix ďIt is what it isĒ.
Buckeye- many good points, but I have to respectfully disagree that a kid has to play at a top school to be seen. The same technology you reference, coupled with the growth of the scouting process, brings top talent to the attention of schools regardless of where kids play (e.g. the Dowdy kid from Akron North). They have to play at top schools to face top competition, but they can play anywhere now and be seen.
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Old 06-15-18, 09:18 AM
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Buckeye- many good points, but I have to respectfully disagree that a kid has to play at a top school to be seen. The same technology you reference, coupled with the growth of the scouting process, brings top talent to the attention of schools regardless of where kids play (e.g. the Dowdy kid from Akron North). They have to play at top schools to face top competition, but they can play anywhere now and be seen.
I think the point is that playing at a school with a state caliber program will enhance the opportunities for exposure to colleges. Example would be Manchester and their current athletes being recruited. Smaller school with a Good program and a couple of exceptional athletes = recruitment. But I will also say that their are athletes at Hoban who would not have D1 offers playing at most public schools in this area. Because of the programís exposure right now and success these players are being seen and recruited by incoming college coaches and being offered.
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Old 06-15-18, 09:59 AM
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I think the point is that playing at a school with a state caliber program will enhance the opportunities for exposure to colleges. Example would be Manchester and their current athletes being recruited. Smaller school with a Good program and a couple of exceptional athletes = recruitment. But I will also say that their are athletes at Hoban who would not have D1 offers playing at most public schools in this area. Because of the programís exposure right now and success these players are being seen and recruited by incoming college coaches and being offered.
We tend to focus on the D1 players. And with respect to this upper tier talent, there is a lot of merit to both sides of the argument. If you are good enough they will find you. BUT they will find you more easily at a successful program. To me, though, when you look at the second level players, those who may not be getting D1 looks, those kids are MUCH more likely to be found by D2 and D3 schools at successful high school programs if for no other reason than there are a lot more college recruiters wandering the hallways of those successful programs.
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Old 06-15-18, 11:32 AM
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We tend to focus on the D1 players. And with respect to this upper tier talent, there is a lot of merit to both sides of the argument. If you are good enough they will find you. BUT they will find you more easily at a successful program. To me, though, when you look at the second level players, those who may not be getting D1 looks, those kids are MUCH more likely to be found by D2 and D3 schools at successful high school programs if for no other reason than there are a lot more college recruiters wandering the hallways of those successful programs.
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Old 06-15-18, 02:45 PM
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You don't need to go to an elite program to get recruited. Ed Egan managed to get 9 kids playing college ball this year; 2 to d1, 4 to d2, and 3 to d3. Out of a senior football class of about 15. Sure, maybe a program with elite talent like Hoban may get more d1 signees. But Egan got his numbers with fairly average talent.
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Old 06-15-18, 02:55 PM
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We tend to focus on the D1 players. And with respect to this upper tier talent, there is a lot of merit to both sides of the argument. If you are good enough they will find you. BUT they will find you more easily at a successful program. To me, though, when you look at the second level players, those who may not be getting D1 looks, those kids are MUCH more likely to be found by D2 and D3 schools at successful high school programs if for no other reason than there are a lot more college recruiters wandering the hallways of those successful programs.
Not so sure about that. You still have to be pretty darn good to play D2 and those players are on recruiters radars regardless if the team is 0-10 or 10-0. D-3 is D-3 if you have a pulse a D-3 school will take you for the tuition, now ever seeing the field is a different story? I know kids that were cut their senior year (baseball) and still went to a D-3 college team. One lasted 2 years and one 3 before quitting.
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Old 06-15-18, 03:07 PM
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You have been trolling Hoban people blaming them for your woes in Kent. Looking back, Roosevelt sucked when these kids were still at Kent. Was that Hobanís fault? Kent has been a laughing stock ever since your legendary coach left. These Hoban kids were still in middle school when the damage was done. Whoís fault was it then? Please enlighten me. How many kids are showing up to workouts in the morning? Yeah, it is the weight room.
Kent had some very good teams from 2006 to 2013, averaging 8 wins a year with four 9 win seasons and only one sub-.500 season. From 2014 to 2017, they've won an abominable 3, 4, 2 and 2 games. That's just plain a systemic program failure, not merely another school siphoning off talent. Would those kids help, sure, but how about taking action to fix some of the problems rather than whine about a school one county and 13 miles away?
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Old 06-15-18, 09:08 PM
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That’s the story with Brady Quinn and ND. ND had a commitment from Coffman’s SS and they were impressed with Quinn. Speaking of Kent, there is way too much playing favorites and mommy and daddy getting junior minutes at Kent which hurts the program, as well as a lot of other poor programs. It’s the #1 program killer.
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Old 06-15-18, 09:48 PM
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I remember Kent not that long ago being good and they also had a pretty strong youth program. Sure the Hoban kids would have helped. I donít like seeing a community team fall apart. I am kind of tired watching this guy stalk Hoban and Cougar to be specific and blaming them for the failure of a program. Hoban did not take the kids from Kent. The kids from Kent and Ravenna for that matter (both had an impact at Hoban) went looking for something better because the writing was on the wall and both programs proved them right.

Ravenna had an influx of talent that left Hoban and SVSM to come back and they still sucked. Bottom line is that they did nothing with the talent when they had it. It is a program problem. Thank you for backing me. I donít want to trash this Roughrider guy but enough is enough. Go be a part of the solution.
keep in mind Ravenna did also struggle with injuries. I think week 1, they did give Tallmadge a game.
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Old 06-16-18, 12:59 AM
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Buckeye- many good points, but I have to respectfully disagree that a kid has to play at a top school to be seen. The same technology you reference, coupled with the growth of the scouting process, brings top talent to the attention of schools regardless of where kids play (e.g. the Dowdy kid from Akron North). They have to play at top schools to face top competition, but they can play anywhere now and be seen.
Clark, I do agree with your point, if your good enough, someone will find you. With my TV package, I can watch Friday night ball from L.A., Phoenix, Denver, Texas, Florida, Wisconsin, at 1 time Ohio, and more. They donít show 1-9 teams. Itís generally 2 powerhouse teams. So kids on these teams are being seen nation wide. Let me put it to you this way, kids want to play for a winner, and who can fault them ? I certainly canít and wonít. If I was a top notch player, saw an oppurtunity, and liked the program, Iím transferring.
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Old 06-16-18, 05:33 AM
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Go ask Anthony Davis if his HS BBall record affected his college recruitment?

While at Miami, head coach Randy Shannon used these recruiting top 100 sites to pick his players, with lazy coaches like Shanny yes the recruiting combines have more of an impact than your high school program.

If I had to guess, little Johnny ain’t going to make it to the pros anyway....enjoy your teenage years. PS, your dad probably was a scrub on the field.
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Old 06-16-18, 05:36 AM
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Let me put it to you this way, kids want to play for a winner, and who can fault them ?.
Example of why we are in the snowflake era.

I bet you root for Lebron and Kevin Durant, pathetic
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Old 06-16-18, 08:39 AM
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Clark, I do agree with your point, if your good enough, someone will find you. With my TV package, I can watch Friday night ball from L.A., Phoenix, Denver, Texas, Florida, Wisconsin, at 1 time Ohio, and more. They donít show 1-9 teams. Itís generally 2 powerhouse teams. So kids on these teams are being seen nation wide. Let me put it to you this way, kids want to play for a winner, and who can fault them ? I certainly canít and wonít. If I was a top notch player, saw an oppurtunity, and liked the program, Iím transferring.
Fair enough Buckeye. I enjoy the thoughtful discussion, a rarity on here.
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Old 06-16-18, 09:13 AM
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Fair enough Buckeye. I enjoy the thoughtful discussion, a rarity on here.
Bro you whine a lot
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Old 06-16-18, 09:14 AM
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I remember Kent not that long ago being good and they also had a pretty strong youth program. Sure the Hoban kids would have helped. I donít like seeing a community team fall apart. I am kind of tired watching this guy stalk Hoban and Cougar to be specific and blaming them for the failure of a program.
Huh? When did I ever blame any players for the failure of the Kent program? Stop making things up to bash me. My main point is that Hoban forms an all-star team from the best talent in the area. They are therefore a great team. (And I bash Cougar when he starts pounding his chest like Hoban just assembled some neighborhood team and have achieved success through elbow grease alone. Do they work hard in their state-of-the-art weight room? Yes. Do they have good coaching? Yes. But replace the all-stars with mediocre kids and see where the program goes. Their success is primarily the result of assembling the most talented kids. It's like St V basketball.)

Furthermore, when all-star players leave their community program to go to Hoban (or St V or Walsh or CVCA), that community team is then not as good as it would have been. (I'm not sure how that is debatable.) With Hoban's success, that process has been accelarated. They have kids on JV or freshman team that would be getting varsity minutes at community programs.

People lament that the number of good teams in Summit County is 3 or 4 deep. Well, that is the natural result of the AAU, let's form an all-star team, mentality. This process is simply not good for competition within Summit County.

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I donít want to trash this Roughrider guy but enough is enough. Go be a part of the solution.
How do you know that I am not? I am actively working within the community trying to help. Are you?

And now y'all can carry on with your bashing of me.
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Old 06-16-18, 10:20 AM
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Cant get any more trsnsfers lol.
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Old 06-16-18, 12:33 PM
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The kid Hamm beat out last year really just wasn't that good, just being Honest... His IQ was weak and his arm just wasn't that strong..."just being Honest"....Great kid just not on the level of Hamm on the feild,Hamm is about 2 to 3 inches tall then Mick and has him by a few pounds...Both of them are great boys and really good QB... Either way the Knights will be in good hands
Will Mick stay at Hoban if he never gets to play quarterback? Looks/sounds like he will have to wait until his senior season. Iíve heard there has already been discussion with a QB in the Highland system (going into 7thngrade) about doing what Hoban did with Hamm. Start as a freshman and play QB all 4 years.

Based on the discussion it appears Mick will be on the field and contribute the next 3 years....just not as a QB. The question is will he be ok with that? Tyrell has proven he is not loyal to his seniors and will play the best kid at the position.
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Old 06-16-18, 12:41 PM
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Pfaff (the AD) does a good job over there. He wonít let that program tank.
He is the main reason for the tank. Puppet of the school admin.
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Pfaff (the AD) does a good job over there. He wonít let that program tank.
The program has already ranked.
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Tyrell has proven he is not loyal to his seniors and will play the best kid at the position.
As he should play the best players. That is a big way to begin the downward fall of a program is to play favorites. Plus it breads competition and competition in practices makes everyone better.
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Old 06-16-18, 02:28 PM
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As he should play the best players. That is a big way to begin the downward fall of a program is to play favorites. Plus it breads competition and competition in practices makes everyone better.
If that's the case then Hoban should never have to throw the ball , because the competition at running back should be mind blowing in pratice.... With Tryanum who is probably the best all around athlete in Ohio, the senior
Dickerson who had a great season last year and the two sophomores in Campbell and Ollison that could have been starters on variety at any other school in Ohio...The underclassmen are studs both are over 210lbs and should give the two upper classmen competition at practice.... I've seen them all play and all four are really good backs..
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Old 06-16-18, 03:15 PM
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If that's the case then Hoban should never have to throw the ball , because the competition at running back should be mind blowing in pratice.... With Tryanum who is probably the best all around athlete in Ohio, the senior
Dickerson who had a great season last year and the two sophomores in Campbell and Ollison that could have been starters on variety at any other school in Ohio...The underclassmen are studs both are over 210lbs and should give the two upper classmen competition at practice.... I've seen them all play and all four are really good backs..
Tyrrell's tendency seems to be to not open the offense unless he has to. With those backs, he may not have to.

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Old 06-16-18, 06:40 PM
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Coach will take what the defense gives him. If the load the box and go man he will give Hamm the option to check off and throw. Watch the WW game. Hoban will need to move the ball through the air to keep the defense honest. He has enough talent in the receiving corps to go up top or in the middle. I don’t care how good the line and backs are you have to be able to pass.
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Example of why we are in the snowflake era.

I bet you root for Lebron and Kevin Durant, pathetic
I hope this is sarcasm. Do you also call people weak for enjoying nice weather? Call people soft for buying groceries instead of farming?

It's also a shame you can't even think of original criticism and need to parrot whatever daddy Trump's new phrase on twitter.
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