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Old 06-23-18, 01:49 PM
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According to the Catholic Bishops and the Pope. Yes you are.
Add this to the list of things they are wrong about then.
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Old 06-23-18, 02:42 PM
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According to the Catholic Bishops and the Pope. Yes you are.
And who are they to say anything? Are they upset they don't have access to these "camps" to use the children for their own purposes?
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Old 06-23-18, 03:04 PM
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http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/06/2...ews-conference

Intellectually honest poster watch this video of the former POTUS on his views on immigration
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Old 06-23-18, 03:13 PM
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Anybody else find it weird that liberals like happy rail against the church for pretty much everything (abortion, gay marriage, etc) but line up behind them on something like this?

Clearly convenient timing for happy.

But I don't even know why happy is still posting about this. Kids will be returned so they can be detained with their criminal parents.
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Old 06-23-18, 03:16 PM
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http://insider.foxnews.com/2018/06/2...ews-conference

Intellectually honest poster watch this video of the former POTUS on his views on immigration
Well we all know Obama's views on a lot of things "evolved" over time. Just depended on how the political winds blew on a given day.
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Old 06-23-18, 04:26 PM
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Anybody else find it weird that liberals like happy rail against the church for pretty much everything (abortion, gay marriage, etc) but line up behind them on something like this?

Clearly convenient timing for happy.

But I don't even know why happy is still posting about this. Kids will be returned so they can be detained with their criminal parents.
Or inconvenient for hypocritical people like yourself.
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Old 06-23-18, 04:28 PM
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Or inconvenient for hypocritical people like yourself.
Did you watch the video?
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Old 06-23-18, 04:33 PM
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Whataboutism. Many people on the left criticized Obama. (Cons did not)

This crisis is not solved. No transparency. Trump's agencies in disarray due to mismanagement. Kids are not reunited. Red cross is barred (this usually only happens in places like Syria) Access even for congressmen is limited. This is an embarrassing sh@tshow.

America is (was) better than this!
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Old 06-23-18, 04:36 PM
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Whataboutism. Many people on the left criticized Obama. (Cons did not)

This crisis is not solved. No transparency. Trump's agencies in disarray due to mismanagement. Kids are not reunited. Red cross is barred (this usually only happens in places like Syria) Access even for congressmen is limited. This is an embarrassing sh@tshow.

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It’s not whataboutism, it is Obama, in his own words, saying exactly what Trump has been saying.
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Old 06-23-18, 04:38 PM
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It’s not whataboutism, it is Obama, in his own words, saying exactly what Trump has been saying.
Not exactly the same words or policies. (but yes it is whataboutism...he was criticized)
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Old 06-23-18, 04:40 PM
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Not exactly the same words or policies. (but yes it is whataboutism...he was criticized)
If you had read his words and didn’t know who said them, would you not think it was Trump? Even you can deflect only so much
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Old 06-23-18, 06:55 PM
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Whataboutism. Many people on the left criticized Obama. (Cons did not)

This crisis is not solved. No transparency. Trump's agencies in disarray due to mismanagement. Kids are not reunited. Red cross is barred (this usually only happens in places like Syria) Access even for congressmen is limited. This is an embarrassing sh@tshow.

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Nobody on the left criticized Obama, ever. You're a liar.
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Old 06-23-18, 07:02 PM
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Whataboutism. Many people on the left criticized Obama. (Cons did not)

This crisis is not solved. No transparency. Trump's agencies in disarray due to mismanagement. Kids are not reunited. Red cross is barred (this usually only happens in places like Syria) Access even for congressmen is limited. This is an embarrassing sh@tshow.

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Many times Obama said, "That's not who we are." Just another thing that he and you are wrong about.
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Old 06-23-18, 08:44 PM
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Well we all know Obama's views on a lot of things "evolved" over time. Just depended on how the political winds blew on a given day.
Ill never forget the left calling Obama "couragous" for taking a lockstep position on gay marriage with the base
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Old 06-23-18, 08:46 PM
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Anybody else find it weird that liberals like happy rail against the church for pretty much everything (abortion, gay marriage, etc) but line up behind them on something like this?

Clearly convenient timing for happy.

But I don't even know why happy is still posting about this. Kids will be returned so they can be detained with their criminal parents.
The irony of liberals quoting scripture to make a point is rich.
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Old 06-23-18, 08:55 PM
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Whataboutism. Many people on the left criticized Obama. (Cons did not)

This crisis is not solved. No transparency. Trump's agencies in disarray due to mismanagement. Kids are not reunited. Red cross is barred (this usually only happens in places like Syria) Access even for congressmen is limited. This is an embarrassing sh@tshow.

America is (was) better than this!
The embarrassing sh@tshow is the hysteria of the left.

#resist #Trump is Hitler

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Old 06-23-18, 09:59 PM
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Or inconvenient for hypocritical people like yourself.
Yea, how so?
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Old 06-23-18, 10:00 PM
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If you had read his words and didn’t know who said them, would you not think it was Trump? Even you can deflect only so much
Why you trying? You know he would never admit to this.
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Old 06-23-18, 10:17 PM
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Tug-of-Love: Immigrant Mom Loses Effort to Regain Son Given to US Parents

In a controversial case that involved the rights of illegal immigrants and their young children, a Guatemalan mother lost her effort today to get back the five-year old son who was taken away from her after her arrest on immigration charges and put up for adoption in Missouri despite her objections.

A Missouri judge ruled the boy should stay with the Missouri couple, Melinda and Seth Moser, who took him into their home five years ago while his mother was in federal custody, where she attempted in vain to oppose the adoption proceedings.

"Nobody could help me because I don't speak English," said Encarnacion Bail Romero in an interview with ABC News.

The child, born as Carlos but renamed Jamison by the Mosers, has been with his adoptive parents in Carthage, Missouri since the age of 11 months.

The judge said the biological mother had no rights to even see her child, according to the mother's lawyer.

Asked if the Mosers would allow Bail Romero to see the child, the Mosers' attorney, Joseph Hensley, said the couple was "not willing to comment on that at this time."

'We're extremely happy about the decision," said Hensley, who also noted that the decision "really puts the biological mom in a difficult decision in terms of staying in this country."

The ruling today reaffirmed the original decision by another Missouri judge who terminated the parental rights of Bail Romero, stating that "illegally smuggling herself into the country is not a lifestyle that can provide any stability for the child."

The Missouri Supreme Court called the initial decision a "travesty of justice" and ordered a review of the case by a second judge.

Appearing outside the courtroom with tears in her eyes, the biological mother declined to comment.

Her lawyer, Curtis Woods, said he would appeal the decision of the judge who he said ruled Encarnacion Bail Romero's parental rights had been terminated because she had abandoned him while she was incarcerated.

"I am very disappointed in the decision," said Woods.

The judge handed down the decision in a courtroom closed to all but the parties involved and their lawyers. There was no translator provided by the court today for the Guatemalan woman, who speaks only a little English.

The ruling allows the formal adoption proceedings by the Mosers to proceed.

The Mosers left the court without speaking to reporters, but they had previously argued in court that they could best provide for the boy and that they were the only parents that he knew.

"I could not love him more, had he come out of me physically," Melinda Moser said in an earlier interview.

The biological mother was arrested in 2007 on an immigration raid at a chicken processing plant in Missouri and has not seen her son since.
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Old 06-23-18, 10:53 PM
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How old is this story? Early in the story it says the boy given to his adoptive parents 5 years ago. At the. End it says she was arrested in 2007. So what does that make it....6 years old?

What does this 6 year old story have to do with anything?
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Old 06-24-18, 12:20 AM
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Democrats were ALL about "getting tough on the border" until Schumer's brilliant "coalition of the ascendant" plan that got Trump elected in the first place. And let's not forget Jeb "illegal immigration is an act of love" Bush. So can we stop the stupid Red vs. Blue flame war already?

Mexico, Guatemala, and Honduras are failed states. They are more violent than any country in sub-Saharan Africa and even more dangerous than many parts of the Middle East. It's all about the drug war of the past 10-15 years. I feel terribly for these people. Thousands are killed just trying to get here and THAT is what should be on the news, not a bunch of hand wringing about "concentration camps." Trust me, the migrant camps are great compared to living in the Northern Triangle. There are far more people that will remain in these countries living in pure hell than there are those that come here.

At the same time, these people shouldn't be here. We're not "good" because we take them in -- we're the ones ingesting the drugs after all and creating the demand. Behind every millennial junkie shooting up are a couple dead Guatemalans. The only solution is a cessation of the violence in Central America. Cut off the snake at the head. Take away the cartels' product and legalize all drugs but heroin. Send the US Army in to establish a protectorate in the Northern Triangle to extinguish the rest of the drug trade. Marshall Plan them before we leave.
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Old 06-24-18, 07:36 AM
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How old is this story? Early in the story it says the boy given to his adoptive parents 5 years ago. At the. End it says she was arrested in 2007. So what does that make it....6 years old?

What does this 6 year old story have to do with anything?
Wow, GW Bush was a monster or did this happen on Obama's watch? It's hard to keep things straight when every "bad" thing that happened in the last 20 years is Trumps fault! Who knew he had so much power when he was running the Apprentice!
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Old 06-24-18, 07:42 AM
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Democrats were ALL about "getting tough on the border" until Schumer's brilliant "coalition of the ascendant" plan that got Trump elected in the first place. And let's not forget Jeb "illegal immigration is an act of love" Bush. So can we stop the stupid Red vs. Blue flame war already?

Mexico, Guatemala, and Honduras are failed states. They are more violent than any country in sub-Saharan Africa and even more dangerous than many parts of the Middle East. It's all about the drug war of the past 10-15 years. I feel terribly for these people. Thousands are killed just trying to get here and THAT is what should be on the news, not a bunch of hand wringing about "concentration camps." Trust me, the migrant camps are great compared to living in the Northern Triangle. There are far more people that will remain in these countries living in pure hell than there are those that come here.

At the same time, these people shouldn't be here. We're not "good" because we take them in -- we're the ones ingesting the drugs after all and creating the demand. Behind every millennial junkie shooting up are a couple dead Guatemalans. The only solution is a cessation of the violence in Central America. Cut off the snake at the head. Take away the cartels' product and legalize all drugs but heroin. Send the US Army in to establish a protectorate in the Northern Triangle to extinguish the rest of the drug trade. Marshall Plan them before we leave.
There is a lot of truth to what you say here. However your last paragraph would never be acceptable to the progressive left. The ONLY acceptable solution is to open our borders and let millions of these people in. The solutions you propose, which might actually work, would be declared as "racist" and "imperialistic".

Remember Jackson if we improve the condition of these people in their own country's then why would they come here and be dependent on government and act as reliable democrat voters?
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Old 06-24-18, 08:49 AM
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The UN has reported on poverty in the USA. It is saying the USA is too hard on the poor. The UN report says there are 40 million poor people in America. including 18 million in extreme poverty and our policies toward them are "cruel" and "inhuman". It also says we have shown "hatred" and "contempt" for our poor. I must point out that the report fails to include many govt aid programs of assistance, but that does not really matter.

Now what we really need to get this report out to the world and just maybe the poor and downtrodden trying to sneak across our southern border would think twice about it before making the trip. Why would you want to come to a country that is going to treat you worse than where you left. Can I suggest to all people trying to come here illegally turn around and go back home you will be much better off. The UN says so,
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Old 06-24-18, 09:21 AM
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VATICAN CITY (CNS) -- Pope Francis said he stands with the U.S. bishops who recently condemned the Trump administration's policy on immigration that has led to children being held in government shelters while their parents are sent to federal prisons.
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Wonder if the pope would feel the same way if 10K people a day showed up at the Vatican looking for admittance and a free ride?
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Old 06-24-18, 09:33 AM
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I have still not heard anything from liberal posters denying that they want open borders by clearly stating what they do want. Catch and release is the same thing as open borders. Overwhelming the system (an Alinsky strategy to which all Democrats I know subscribe) is the same thing as open borders.

Democrats want open borders.
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Old 06-24-18, 09:44 AM
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Democratic Platform - Fixing our Broken Immigration System

The United States was founded as, and continues to be, a country of immigrants from throughout the world. It is no coincidence that the Statue of Liberty is one of our most profound national symbols. And that is why Democrats believe immigration is not just a problem to be solved, it is a defining aspect of the American character and our shared history.

The Democratic Party supports legal immigration, within reasonable limits, that meets the needs of families, communities, and the economy as well as maintains the United States’ role as a beacon of hope for people seeking safety, freedom, and security. People should come to the United States with visas and not through smugglers. Yet, we recognize that the current immigration system is broken.

More than 11 million people are living in the shadows, without proper documentation. The immigration bureaucracy is full of backlogs that result in U.S. citizens waiting for decades to be reunited with family members, and green card holders waiting for years to be reunited with their spouses and minor children. The current quota system discriminates against certain immigrants, including immigrants of color, and needs to be reformed to the realities of the 21st century. And there are real questions about our detention and deportation policies that must be addressed.

Democrats believe we need to urgently fix our broken immigration system—which tears families apart and keeps workers in the shadows—and create a path to citizenship for law-abiding families who are here, making a better life for their families and contributing to their communities and our country. We should repeal the 3-year, 10-year and permanent bars, which often force persons in mixed status families into the heartbreaking dilemma of either pursuing a green card by leaving the country and their loved ones behind, or remaining in the shadows. We will work with Congress to end the forced and prolonged expulsion from the country that these immigrants endure when trying to adjust their status.

We must fix family backlogs and defend against those who would exclude or eliminate legal immigration avenues and denigrate immigrants. Those immigrants already living in the United States, who are assets to their communities and contribute so much to our country, should be incorporated completely into our society through legal processes that give meaning to our national motto: E Pluribus Unum.

And while we continue to fight for comprehensive immigration reform, we will defend and implement President Obama’s Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals and Deferred Action for Parents of Americans executive actions to help DREAMers, parents of citizens, and lawful permanent residents avoid deportation. We will build on these actions to provide relief for others, such as parents of DREAMers. We will support efforts by states to make DREAMers eligible for driver's licenses and in-state college tuition. We will invest in culturally-appropriate immigrant integration services, expand access to English language education, and promote naturalization to help the millions of people who are eligible for citizenship take that last step.

We believe immigration enforcement must be humane and consistent with our values. We should prioritize those who pose a threat to the safety of our communities, not hardworking families who are contributing to their communities. We will end raids and roundups of children and families, which unnecessarily sow fear in immigrant communities. We disfavor deportations of immigrants who served in our armed forces, and we want to create a faster path for such veterans to citizenship.

We should ensure due process for those fleeing violence in Central America and work with our regional partners to address the root causes of violence. We must take particular care with children, which is why we should guarantee government-funded counsel for unaccompanied children in immigration courts. We should consider all available means of protecting these individuals from the threats to their lives and safety—including strengthening in-country and third-country processing, expanding the use of humanitarian parole, and granting Temporary Protected Status.

We will promote best practices among local law enforcement, in terms of how they collaborate with federal authorities, to ensure that they maintain and build trust between local law enforcement and the communities they serve. We will also vigorously oversee any programs put in place, to make sure that there are no abuses and no arbitrary deportation programs. We will establish an affirmative process for workers to report labor violations and to request deferred action. We will work to ensure that all Americans—regardless of immigration status—have access to quality health care. That means expanding community health centers, allowing all families to buy into the Affordable Care Act exchanges, supporting states that open up their public health insurance programs to all persons, and finally enacting comprehensive immigration reform. And we will expand opportunities for DREAMers to serve in the military and to then receive expedited pathways to citizenship.

We will fight to end federal, state, and municipal contracts with for-profit private prisons and private detention centers. In order to end family detention, we will ensure humane alternatives for those who pose no public threat. We recognize that there are vulnerable communities within our immigration system who are often seeking refuge from persecution abroad, such as LGBT families, for whom detention can be unacceptably dangerous.

We reject attempts to impose a religious test to bar immigrants or refugees from entering the United States. It is un-American and runs counter to the founding principles of this country.

Finally, Democrats will not stand for the divisive and derogatory language of Donald Trump. His offensive comments about immigrants and other communities have no place in our society. This kind of rhetoric must be rejected.
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So truly nothing to actually fix the broken immigration system except open our borders and reduce any limitations of acceptance...….

Thanks for posting.
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Old 06-24-18, 10:08 AM
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So, what was wrong with what Trump offered, other than of course the fact that Trump offered it? Had Obama offered the same plan the Demos would have been all over it.
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