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Old 10-02-17, 04:29 PM
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I disagree with it being a .50. First their would be no wounded, just dead. Shoulder hits will basically blow off your arm and blow open your chest. Head shots just makes your head literally explode. No idea what type of gun he used because their is a bunch. But def not a .50 imo.
Agreed. Ma Deuce can bring down a helicopter.

A Rambo M-60 sounds about right. The muzzle climb on an AR couldn't have done this. We were trained to shoot 3 round bursts. For a variety of reasons.
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Old 10-02-17, 04:30 PM
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Don't you think that is a lot of carnage with an AR or Ak at that range? And that wouldn't explain the more than 30 rounds without pause
No because it was mostly headshots. Shooting down on the targets.
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Old 10-02-17, 04:32 PM
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Agreed. Ma Deuce can bring down a helicopter.

A Rambo M-60 sounds about right. The muzzle climb on an AR couldn't have done this. We were trained to shoot 3 round bursts. For a variety of reasons.
Agreed, had to be rail mounted IMO to kill that many
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Old 10-02-17, 04:33 PM
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Agreed. Ma Deuce can bring down a helicopter.

A Rambo M-60 sounds about right. The muzzle climb on an AR couldn't have done this. We were trained to shoot 3 round bursts. For a variety of reasons.
The ar is capable of shooting 1000 yards. My buddy does the competitions he has to hold 20-25' above his target. But shooting down hill at runs gravity to a point.
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Old 10-02-17, 04:34 PM
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No because it was mostly headshots. Shooting down on the targets.
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No arguing that they wouldn't do damage, but come on 500+ wounded?
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Old 10-02-17, 04:34 PM
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Actually the most recent information from authorities does list .223 and .308 rounds as the caliber.

So the AR-15 most common round is the .223 and can be modified to shoot a .308.
You can get it chambered in 45.

The sustained fire and the accuracy just doesn't add up.

But, neither did Oswald's accuracy.
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Old 10-02-17, 04:36 PM
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You can get it chambered in 45.

The sustained fire and the accuracy just doesn't add up.

But, neither did Oswald's accuracy.
Plus he apparently had no military training
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Old 10-02-17, 04:36 PM
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The ar is capable of shooting 1000 yards. My buddy does the competitions he has to hold 20-25' above his target. But shooting down hill at runs gravity to a point.
You can't hold it down dumping a 30 round clip.

This guy was too accurate.
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Old 10-02-17, 04:37 PM
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No arguing that they wouldn't do damage, but come on 500+ wounded?
Like I said I really have no idea what type of gun. Whatever it was it was no joke b
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Old 10-02-17, 04:38 PM
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You can't hold it down dumping a 30 round clip.

This guy was too accurate.
True. Was he accurate? How many rounds did he shoot and what was his hit ratio?
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Old 10-02-17, 04:38 PM
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Plus he apparently had no military training
I don't get that part.

I know the weapons. I've shot them, and I don't think I could have pulled it off.
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Old 10-02-17, 04:39 PM
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Like I said I really have no idea what type of gun. Whatever it was it was no joke b
Unbelievable man, gonna be interesting to see if they ever find out his motivation
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Old 10-02-17, 04:39 PM
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A lot of musicians staying at those hotels, maybe they thought he was hauling guitars and such. I have read that some people do have old WW II .50 cals just seems like incredible accuracy and kill ratio with a hand held at that distance.
Didn't think of that. I'm sure there was a lot of security due to the number of VIPs.
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Old 10-02-17, 04:40 PM
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True. Was he accurate? How many rounds did he shoot and what was his hit ratio?
Yes. That's my point. He was throwing a tremendous amount of lead. Belt fed, tripod...period.
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Old 10-02-17, 04:44 PM
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Didn't think of that. I'm sure there was a lot of security due to the number of VIPs.
Golly, considering the carnage, "a lot" seems woefully lax.
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Old 10-02-17, 04:44 PM
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Yes. That's my point. He was throwing a tremendous amount of lead. Belt fed, tripod...period.
Yes he was and firing into a sea of people. I don't think he was really that accurate. 1 minute of firing will go through about 800 rounds. Not sure of the time but I thought I heard 4-5 minutes
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Old 10-02-17, 04:47 PM
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Not a conspiracy theory, but I have a hard time believing that he used a modified AR. If you listen to the videos the extended amount of rounds being fired is much more than thirty at a time. The sound sounds more like a heavier caliber like a .50 cal. No matter how good you are with a shoulder held automatic the amount of carnage at 200-300 yards: 60 dead 500+ injured suggest to me that it was a rail mounted, belt fed weapon. Much too accurate to be an AR IMO
It sounds nothing like a 50. It was modified to be fed by a really large mag, not a 30 rd mag.
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Old 10-02-17, 04:51 PM
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It sounds nothing like a 50. It was modified to be fed by a really large mag, not a 30 rd mag.
Nobody that I've seen has reported that
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Old 10-02-17, 04:52 PM
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Yes he was and firing into a sea of people. I don't think he was really that accurate. 1 minute of firing will go through about 800 rounds. Not sure of the time but I thought I heard 4-5 minutes
Cyclical rate of an AR is 400-600 rounds. The carnage went on for 10 min. plus.
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Old 10-02-17, 04:55 PM
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It sounds nothing like a 50. It was modified to be fed by a really large mag, not a 30 rd mag.
It wasn't a M-2. Slow firing cannon. I'm thinking cyclical rate is 200-300 rounds per minute.
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Old 10-02-17, 05:02 PM
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Nobody that I've seen has reported that
Correct. I heard the video, it wasn't a .50. I was in the military, we had .50s in my unit, I have heard them fire a lot. It comes down to a process of elimination. It didn't sound quite right for a belt fed system, and those would run about $15,000 if you could get one legally. Considering the length of burst, it was way more than a standard 30 rd mag. You can get mags that are a lot larger.
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Old 10-02-17, 05:04 PM
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Jesus, the ignorance is astounding.

Yes, semi-auto shotguns and rifles are a vital component of humanely harvesting wild game. Anyone who has ever crippled an animal on the first shot knows this.

Again with the nonsense about the Pulse and Sandy Hook shooters using automatic weapons...they did not! They used semi-automatics.
Ignorance is the same thing happening over and over again and expecting different results. Listen to the damned audio. Sounds automatic. How many rounds did he squeeze off in such a short amount of time? I'm a friggin hunter and have used a 30-6 for years. NEVER did I NEED semi-automatic. I carry a side arm for a reason.

Regardless, these shooters keep using these military war semi-auto and automatic rifles similar to an AR-15 which will create mass carnage. That gun was designed for what these dopes are doing. If this shooter had to use a regular hunting rifle such as a 30-06 how many rounds would be have squeezed off compared to whatever automatic weapon he used?

Be honest. Friggin joke.
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Old 10-02-17, 05:04 PM
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Cyclical rate of an AR is 400-600 rounds. The carnage went on for 10 min. plus.
1 hit for every 10 rounds is not very accurate shooting into a crowd
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Old 10-02-17, 05:04 PM
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Correct. I heard the video, it wasn't a .50. I was in the military, we had .50s in my unit, I have heard them fire a lot. It comes down to a process of elimination. It didn't sound quite right for a belt fed system, and those would run about $15,000 if you could get one legally. Considering the length of burst, it was way more than a standard 30 rd mag. You can get mags that are a lot larger.
Apparently dude had money
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Old 10-02-17, 05:06 PM
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Just reported he had 18 guns, explosives and "electrical devices" in his home
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Old 10-02-17, 05:08 PM
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Here we go. Of course no law can prevent every single murder or crime. So the FIRST thing I would do is excuse you and the NRA from the room, and let qualified adults discuss possible areas for improvement.
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Ignorance is the same thing happening over and over again and expecting different results. Listen to the damned audio. Sounds automatic. How many rounds did he squeeze off in such a short amount of time? I'm a friggin hunter and have used a 30-6 for years. NEVER did I NEED semi-automatic. I carry a side arm for a reason.

Regardless, these shooters keep using these military war semi-auto and automatic rifles similar to an AR-15 which will create mass carnage. That gun was designed for what these dopes are doing. If this shooter had to use a regular hunting rifle such as a 30-06 how many rounds would be have squeezed off compared to whatever automatic weapon he used?

Be honest. Friggin joke.

So that's a no on any of you having any suggestions that would actually curtail mass shootings huh?
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Old 10-02-17, 05:09 PM
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If you are that terrible at simple English maybe you shouldn't be criticizing other people's posts
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Saw a few liberal celebrities already jump on twitter calling for an "end to white privilege"
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Most speculation right now points to him being a far left wing antifa type
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current information points to him being a left wing radical Bernie/Hillary/Obama supporter.
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don't use gateway for anything, possibly wherever I read it used them as their source.
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Old 10-02-17, 05:09 PM
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It was not a .50.

It was more than likely two or three AR-15's or similar modified to automatic. Modified duel side clips with max ammo. And multiple of them. Just your typical hunting gear (JOKE).
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Old 10-02-17, 05:10 PM
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I'm a friggin hunter and have used a 30-6 for years. NEVER did I NEED semi-automatic.
You have a single shot 30.06???
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Old 10-02-17, 05:11 PM
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Neo, how old are you again?

I OWN guns. Why cant we admit that the guns continuously used in these mass carnage shootings serve ZERO purpose except for that fact.

I do not know ONE hunter that hunts with an AR-15. Not one. Fun to shoot at zombie targets though.
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