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Old 06-22-18, 04:03 PM
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Democrats Want Open Borders

Since we get nothing but BS, double talk and lies from Democrats in Congress I will try to get some answers here.

I believe that the Democratic position on immigration at this time is unlimited immigration and open borders. This has been stated out right by a number of Democrats lately and the actions of Democrats in Congress seem to bare this out.

So, if that is not their policy, tell me what is.
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Old 06-22-18, 04:29 PM
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Libertarians can't allow themselves to be caught up in the progressive calls for open borders. Their intentions and ultimate goals are too far removed from theirs for there to ever be reconciliation. They're not on your side at all; they should be your mortal enemy.

The concept is sound, the world simply isn't ready for it. Language and economic barriers, cultural and value system differences, and government preferences are too much to overcome.
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Old 06-22-18, 04:41 PM
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The concept is sound, the world simply isn't ready for it. Language and economic barriers, cultural and value system differences, and government preferences are too much to overcome.
Not to mention concepts of private property and the integrity of the vote and effect of the ballot box.
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Old 06-22-18, 04:58 PM
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I would add PM that a disturbingly large number of republicans are also for open borders - though for different reasons.

The democrats used to be a party for working men & women and they used to favor individual rights. This could be seen by their support of labor unions and their distrust of big corporations. But that has changed and I believe the democrats have been almost completely taken over by the progressive left and now stand for:

* Exploiting peoples dependency to gain control over them. By favoring massive 3rd world migration into the US the democrats ensure a huge population of poor, unskilled people who will be dependent on government programs to survive. By definition they will form the core of a new democrat majority.

Today's democrats want to create a pseudo totalitarian government that can enact the policies they want without interference from the right and libertarians. Since installing an outright dictatorship in the US is impossible they opt for the next best thing - flood the country with dependent folks who will vote lockstep for every program the democrats advocate.

* Exploiting racial & ethnic "identity" to keep the nation divided and to separate the white majority from various minority groups. The democrats understand that the current majority American population which is of European descent, will never give a plurality of their vote to the democrats. These same deplorable's will not support gun confiscation and are leery of lavish social welfare programs.

So what do you do if you can't get the "majority" of the population to come over to your side? You change the demographics to people who will jump on your bandwagon. How do you change the demographics? You open the border to 3rd world people. The democrat party is pushing the US to become majority/minority ASAP in order to control the population better. By embracing identity over national unity the democrats have set themselves up wonderfully to rule over a majority/minority nation and their immigration policy favors open borders to achieve this.

Bottom line Trump is the first manifestation of a massive move of voters away from the democrat party - a movement which also happened under Reagan. It's funny that the biggest movement of former democrats to the republican party has occurred under the two most unconventional GOP presidents in the modern era.
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Old 06-22-18, 05:06 PM
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Get a grip morons. Nobody is calling for open borders. Some are calling to warehouse children in dog kennels though. You have it in your feeble brains BO did nothing on border security, because you have feeble brains. I can’t fix that. Have fun.
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Old 06-22-18, 05:14 PM
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Get a grip morons. Nobody is calling for open borders. Some are calling to warehouse children in dog kennels though. You have it in your feeble brains BO did nothing on border security, because you have feeble brains. I can’t fix that. Have fun.
Well duh TP the democrat's aren't stupid enough to call directly for open borders. They prefer to be sneaky about it and create an environment where we have de facto open borders.

If the democrats had their way ALL 12,000,000 (or is it 20,000,000?) illegals would be granted amnesty to stay in the US. And after that the democrats would prevent the implementation of anything resembling border security while they hamstrung ICE to keep them from catching & removing illegals. And 20 years from now the democrats would argue for an amnesty to legalize 40,000,000 new illegals! Now you may not call that "open borders" but I sure do.
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Old 06-22-18, 05:21 PM
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No one is calling for open borders, just like no one is calling for gun bans. Classic leftist denial
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Old 06-22-18, 05:28 PM
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if you have a chance to listen to candiate Cynthia Nixon for Governor of New York( she was on sex in the city) it is what Democrats are...and she isn't afraid to say it.....
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Old 06-22-18, 05:30 PM
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Get a grip morons. Nobody is calling for open borders. Some are calling to warehouse children in dog kennels though. You have it in your feeble brains BO did nothing on border security, because you have feeble brains. I canít fix that. Have fun.
the heck they aren't...
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Old 06-22-18, 06:46 PM
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Get a grip morons. Nobody is calling for open borders.
The same way no one is talking about confiscating guns or that abortions should be rare.
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Old 06-22-18, 07:01 PM
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Libertarians can't allow themselves to be caught up in the progressive calls for open borders. Their intentions and ultimate goals are too far removed from theirs for there to ever be reconciliation. They're not on your side at all; they should be your mortal enemy.

The concept is sound, the world simply isn't ready for it. Language and economic barriers, cultural and value system differences, and government preferences are too much to overcome.
I donít see the world ever being ready for it. Humans are tribal by nature and that will never change. Head over to the high school football forum and see for example. You can also watch the South Park atheists war episode.
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Old 06-22-18, 07:32 PM
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Get a grip morons. Nobody is calling for open borders. Some are calling to warehouse children in dog kennels though. You have it in your feeble brains BO did nothing on border security, because you have feeble brains. I canít fix that. Have fun.
Progressives and leftists never make a move for what they are truly after. The movement is akin to the frog in the pot. By the time everyone recognizes the problem it's "too late" to get out.

As many have noted noted, Obama actually deported many people, but he had the government deport only illegal aliens that committed violent crimes after being here. For millions and millions of criminal aliens he essentially gave them amnesty to come in, find some place to lay low, gave them coverage, and turned the backs of the federal government on their criminal enterprise. So now we have 12-20 million unindicted criminals that would be extremely costly to round up and send packing - for the citizenry we are now trapped in the boiling water.

To truly get out of this, we have to control our borders and force the criminal aliens to leave the country and make it inhospitable for them to remain. Build a wall, physical AND virtual, and make it impossible for criminal aliens to remain - or so costly and inhospitable that they don't want to remain.
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Old 06-22-18, 07:57 PM
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Get a grip morons. Nobody is calling for open borders. Some are calling to warehouse children in dog kennels though. You have it in your feeble brains BO did nothing on border security, because you have feeble brains. I canít fix that. Have fun.
So what is your immigration policy? I've asked this like 15 times and just get shown a picture of a kid in a cage from 2014.
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