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Old 12-30-14, 11:57 PM
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Fantasy Dual - Brecksville Tourney vs Medina Tourney - Who wins?

106
Mattin, Delta vs. Hrynciw, Oak Harbor

113
Kosco, Canal Fulton NW vs. Baughman, Wadsworth

120
Guillen, Perrysburg vs. Warner, Claymont

126
Assad, Brecksville vs. Rodriguez, Mass Perry

132
Olson, Davison (MI) vs. Ladnier, Lakewood SE

138
Carr, Dayton Christian vs. Koontz, Akron SVSM

145
Hodges, Wauseon vs. Miller, Lancaster

152
Rahmani, Marysville, Marysville vs. Locklear, Olmstead Falls

160
Mays, Nelsonville-York vs. Amine, Detroit CC

170
Miller, Miami Trace vs. Handwerk, Lutheran West

182
Darmstadt, Elyria vs. Moore, Norwayne

195
Stencil, Oregon Clay vs. Margheim, Lorain

220
Witt, Clyde vs. Knapp, Lakewood SE

285
Veller, Delta vs. Teacher, Central Crossing
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Old 12-30-14, 11:58 PM
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I have it 7 matches each in this "fantasy" dual. What do you have?
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Old 12-31-14, 12:11 AM
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106:Hrynciw-Medina
113:Baughman-Medina
120:Warner-Medina
126:Rodriguez-Medina
132:Olson-Brecks
138:Koontz-Medina
145:Hodges-Brecks
152:Rahmani-Brecks
160:Amine-Medina
170:Handwerk-Medina
182armstadt-Brecks
195:Stencil-Brecks
220:Witt-Brecks
285:Veller-Brecks
tie 7-7
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Old 12-31-14, 04:46 AM
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The person above must of just flipped a coin...

106- I'll take the nationally ranked Mattin, 3-0 B
113- Baughman, 3-3
120- Warner, 6-3 M
126- Assad since he already won H2H this year. 6-6
132- Olson, 9-6 B
138- Carr, possible bonus. 12-6 B
145- Hodges, 15-6 B
152- Rahmani, could see bonus 18-6 B
160- Amine by major, 18-10 B
170- Handwerk, first tossup w/o prev. results, 18-13B
182- Moore, tough pick but Moore has been great since state, 18-16
195- Stencel, can't wait to see this one again. 21-16 B
220- Knapp, 21-19 B. Could see a pin since its 220
285- Veller, I have heard good things about Teacher thus far, but I like Veller alot.

I have it 8-6 Brecksville

24-19 Brecksville score wise
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Old 12-31-14, 07:30 AM
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Old 12-31-14, 07:43 AM
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Old 12-31-14, 08:11 AM
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Gmvwa
106- Mattin 3-0 B
113- Moore, could be bonus 3-3
120- Guillen 6-3 B
126- Assad, toss up, 9-3 B
132- Olson, toss up, 12-3 B
138- Carr 15-3 B
145- Hodges 18-3 B
152- Lawson 18-6 B
160- Marinelli by major 18-10 B
170- Miller, toss up, 21-10 B
182- Moore 24-10 B
195- Stencel by major, 28-10 B
220- Myers by major or fall, we'll say 5, 28-15
285- Veller by Fall 34-15.

Even if you give "The G" all the tossups, it would be 25-24
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Old 12-31-14, 09:38 AM
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Well to me Boro, Ryan Thomas vs David Carr is a tossup as well, wasn't it a 1 takedown to 1 takedown match at Ironman? I'd also put Jack Harris vs Kollin Moore as a tossup as well at 182. These hypothetical dual meets between GMVWA, Brecksville, and Medina are to close to call as there are to many close matches that could go either way. For instance Veller over Cloud by pin isn't happening a lot or does GMVWA get to put Brent Moore in at 145 since SPG was at GMVWA but not wrestling which then makes 145 a tossup.
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Old 12-31-14, 10:01 AM
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You know this is a cool post, I was just thinking since holiday break is all the big tournys and kinda of a mid season tradition among teams and some of the only times Ohio gets to showcase all 3 divisions vs each other, we should really put together a 2 week ordeal that really gives us a Best of the Best scenario!

I am thinking leave everything as it is, Medina, Brecksville, GMVWA, and a fourth one there are several more I know of like north canton we could chose from. top 4 move on to week 2 for a 16 man one day bracket the following week before the kids head back to school. This would really showcase Ohio's Best and put to rest the arguments of why we have 3 divisions in Ohio!
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Old 12-31-14, 11:00 AM
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Would be billed as "the best in Ohio - Graham"?
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Old 12-31-14, 11:26 AM
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Well to me Boro, Ryan Thomas vs David Carr is a tossup as well, wasn't it a 1 takedown to 1 takedown match at Ironman? I'd also put Jack Harris vs Kollin Moore as a tossup as well at 182. These hypothetical dual meets between GMVWA, Brecksville, and Medina are to close to call as there are to many close matches that could go either way. For instance Veller over Cloud by pin isn't happening a lot or does GMVWA get to put Brent Moore in at 145 since SPG was at GMVWA but not wrestling which then makes 145 a tossup.
I think Moore beats Harris by 3 or 4, he outplaced him at Super 32. Even with Moore at 145, I'd give the nod to Hodges since he already beat Moore this year. And if we want to add kids who didn't wrestle, then we can add Kowalski for Brecksville since his team pulled out last minute, which would make 152 also a toss-up.
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Old 12-31-14, 12:10 PM
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Would be billed as "the best in Ohio - Graham"?
LOL that "private" place that recruits you had to kill my idea didn't ya!
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Old 12-31-14, 12:50 PM
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Graham ,Did not win every class at GMVWA and im not talking about 220.
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Old 12-31-14, 01:17 PM
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All three !

106: Mattin BRECKS

113: Mitch Moore GMVWA

120: GAGE BRANSON - this week only... if you asked last week I would have said Guillen or Warner. GMVWA

126: Seipel - Ironman champ - handily beat the guy that Assad (without those stalling calls assad got beat pretty bad by the Trinity, TX guy). Seipel won a tournament that Assad and Jrod were in. GMVWA

132: Cameron Kelly - best in OH at this weight IMO GMVWA

138: Carr - Thomas, while an impressive freshman, is less impressive than Carr. BRECKS

145: Hodges BRECKS

152: Lawson - he did not look as great as I have seen him before, but still too much for Rahmani. GMVWA

160: Marinelli GMVWA

170: Miller - not a clear favorite, but still my favorite this week BRECKS

182: Moore - tough picks, all three champs this weekend could be State Champs in their respective divisions. MEDINA

195: Stencel BRECKS

220: Meyers GMVWA

285: Veller BRECKS


What I came up with appears that GMVWA may have been tougher to win. But as always, Brecksville and Medina were very deep providing more exciting finals match ups for placements 3-8. All three tournaments are great tournaments.
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Old 12-31-14, 02:49 PM
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So what do you spend more time doing, posting cute pictures trying to be funny or kissing rankers butts to be in the "In Crowd "
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Old 12-31-14, 03:04 PM
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Gmva can't take credit for graham. Graham could face an ohio all star team and do very well up thru 170. Sw ohio isn't in the same league as northern oh. Period. 'twas your kid could win any div but alas he does not wrestle for an Ohio school. Too bad.
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Old 12-31-14, 04:02 PM
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What a great debate
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Old 12-31-14, 04:31 PM
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106: Mattin BRECKS

What I came up with appears that GMVWA may have been tougher to win. But as always, Brecksville and Medina were very deep providing more exciting finals match ups for placements 3-8. All three tournaments are great tournaments.
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Depth is the difference between GMVWA, Medina, and Brecksville.
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Old 12-31-14, 05:25 PM
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LOL that "private" place that recruits you had to kill my idea didn't ya!
My bad
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Old 12-31-14, 06:57 PM
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GRAHAM is generally at GMVWA so its not them taking credit its the strength of the tournament regardless of who is in it or where they are from ,or is it just strength of Ohio or certain teams in it ,even without the KY teams its comparable as the KY teams were not that successful this year .I was just curious as to WHAT OHIO wrestlers fans and coaches thought as there were people on the KY website basically saying GMVWA was far weaker than Brecksville or Medina and the Same level as SWOWCA .
As i was setting at GMVWA looking at some of the kids and not just the GRAHAM kids i couldn't really see how they would be that much better ,Ganger, Branson,Kelly,Demass and a few more very good wrestlers are not Graham kids .
Looking at the results some classes are deeper maybe more but some were deeper at GMVWA .Not knowing everyone i would not argue the depth ,knowing a lot of the top kids i would say its impossible that they would be considered WAY above GMVWA ,and Last year might have been tougher at GMVWA with the ARCHER team although i would agree Graham probably lost because they were down a few .
I guess when everyone decides if Graham is SW they can have a clearer view of how far ahead Northern Ohio is or not ,SW OHIO or I 275 loop Ohio Cincy.
They looked similar to me and SWOWCA is actually decent but not as many Teams and no where close to as many top Caliber kids.
There are a handful of Schools from KY that go to GMVWA every year and only one actually travels very far outside the CINCY loop to get there . DIDNT know it was north south thread or tournament thread , Sorry to horn in on the Brecksville vs Medina thing .
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Old 12-31-14, 08:48 PM
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Brecksville and Medina tournaments are clearly ahead of the GMVWA in terms of overall depth. The fact that Graham has chosen to call GMVWA home in most of the recent years helps the very top end of most weight classes.

To me, the overall caliber of the tournament is about the depth through the placement level, and I think Brecksville was slightly better than Medina, and both were ahead of GMVWA without doubt. The finalist/top three level at Brecksville and Medina were mostly similar; luckily this year, I got to watch both tournaments (mostly) - and we're lucky to have both these tournaments in the state.
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Old 12-31-14, 10:16 PM
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Graham is definitely the best team there usually ,But they did not even win last yr and were not that far ahead of the second place team the year Before ,Some classes seemed very deep at GMVWA others not so much but that was the same at the others I am sure few tournaments are deep from bottom to top .
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Old 01-01-15, 12:58 AM
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93 points from 1st to 2nd is pretty darn big gap (Graham's gap in 12/2012). Falcons scored 295 points, which is the least they've had since their pattern of attending the event started in 12/2004.

When Archer was there in 12/2013, that was when Graham didn't win. Graham still scored 319 points (first was 342), the gap from 2nd to 3rd was still almost 170 points.

12/2011 Graham was at the Clash

12/2010 Graham scored 330, winning by 190

12/2009 Graham scored 376, winning by 190

The gap between Graham and the next team in the field is pretty darn BIG - those are the facts, like them or not.

But back to Brecksville & Medina the two tournaments talked about in this thread.
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Old 01-01-15, 10:35 AM
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Brecksville and Medina tournaments are clearly ahead of the GMVWA in terms of overall depth.

But back to Brecksville & Medina the two tournaments talked about in this thread.
The thread was about a Fantasy Dual, not depth. Throwing GMVWA in the mix was very appropriate since the champions of that tourny would do very well in the Fanasty match-up with Brecksville and Medina. And the GMVA is an Ohio holiday tourny along with Brecksville and Medina.

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Old 01-01-15, 01:37 PM
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You can see both sides and still talk about all three or whatever you like ,its a forum ,Graham of course was ahead and a bit more than I even thought in 2012 ,they had 295 ,Campbell CO 202 ,and the third place team Delta 146 ,or so ?.
Still cannot see where Brecksville and Medina are that much better or tougher ,Take the champs from both and put them in a huge tournament and I would take the Champs from GMVWA ,and some classes I would take depth wise as well ,I am not familiar with everyone in both or a whole lot in general ,but you see what you see and if you follow the sport somewhat its not hard to tell who is who and what tournament is tough deep better at top end from top to bottom or whatever ,I have the feeling that if these tournaments were in polar opposite ends we would be hearing that GMVA was tougher because of the champs .Either way they all seem very good if I had my choice to go watch either without any bias I would go to GMVWA and watch the best team and the best wrestlers ,depth or not . I know more of the wrestlers at GMVWA so its easier for me to say that but even without knowing them that's who I would watch.
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Old 01-01-15, 02:17 PM
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Brecksville and Medina on a totally different level as Bucksman stated.
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Old 01-01-15, 02:39 PM
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You can see both sides and still talk about all three or whatever you like ,its a forum ,Graham of course was ahead and a bit more than I even thought in 2012 ,they had 295 ,Campbell CO 202 ,and the third place team Delta 146 ,or so ?.
Still cannot see where Brecksville and Medina are that much better or tougher ,Take the champs from both and put them in a huge tournament and I would take the Champs from GMVWA ,and some classes I would take depth wise as well ,I am not familiar with everyone in both or a whole lot in general ,but you see what you see and if you follow the sport somewhat its not hard to tell who is who and what tournament is tough deep better at top end from top to bottom or whatever ,I have the feeling that if these tournaments were in polar opposite ends we would be hearing that GMVA was tougher because of the champs .Either way they all seem very good if I had my choice to go watch either without any bias I would go to GMVWA and watch the best team and the best wrestlers ,depth or not . I know more of the wrestlers at GMVWA so its easier for me to say that but even without knowing them that's who I would watch.
cutting to the quick: I really don't have knowledge of the rest of the field, but I've got a horse in the race and it's a good horse and I'm picking it... So there!
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Old 01-01-15, 07:41 PM
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Cutting to the quicker everyone has a Horse in the race .
No I have a lot of knowledge of some of the better kids as I said some I have set in rooms with over and over while they practiced and worked on becoming who they are .As I said the tournaments were brought up Someone saying Gmvwa was not up to par and about the same level of talent as another .I disagree.I also do not think the other tournaments are that much better than ,GMVWA ,And everyone with Horses in them obviously will disagree with my opinion ,I try to look at facts Bucksman has commented hes the ranker ,Who has the highest ranked wrestlers and team and even though he has a horse in the race and may not admitt it he knows the facts as well .
Not really my argument or debate im sure they are all good and im sure none are that much better if at all than GMVWA .
MY Horse lol and I have one literally as well as figuratively Has not got much to do with any of the races your implying hes already won the Triple Crown.
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Old 01-02-15, 07:12 AM
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The thread was about a Fantasy Dual, not depth. Throwing GMVWA in the mix was very appropriate since the champions of that tourny would do very well in the Fanasty match-up with Brecksville and Medina. And the GMVA is an Ohio holiday tourny along with Brecksville and Medina.
It would be appropriate if it was in the title of the thread. It wasn't so it isn't.

You are free to start any new thread of your choosing.
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Old 01-02-15, 07:14 AM
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So what do you spend more time doing, posting cute pictures trying to be funny or kissing rankers butts to be in the "In Crowd "
Which is worse. posting cute pictures or turning every thread into a "my son can beat up your son" rant? Get a life beyond living vicariously through your son, dude, seriously. Pretty sad.
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