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Old 07-13-17, 05:31 PM
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Aren't they already charged at a volume rate? Or are they forced to charge everyone a flat fee regardless of volume?
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Define volume in this instance? It's not quite as simple as "a bit is a bit" which is another net neutrality proponent fallacy.
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Old 07-13-17, 06:06 PM
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Define volume in this instance? It's not quite as simple as "a bit is a bit" which is another net neutrality proponent fallacy.
Volume of data, whatever the standard. Why don't you just tell how they currently charge? Does it not take volume/data into consideration?
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Old 07-13-17, 06:15 PM
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Bandwidth is not as simple as say power. For simplicity's sake, lets say there is a company that offers 1gbps to all its collocated customers. This company physically has a 10gpbs "pipe" but has 50 customers. 10 of these customers decide to use their allocated 1gbps at once. This doesn't leave any room on the pipe for the others who need access to it.

These customers aren't breaking the rules, but they are causing an inconvenience and the pricing model must be adjusted to account for this, as they will have to expand the size of their pipe.

ISP's price their bandwidth based on the fact that under normal circumstances, there will be users that are idle and through average usage of all users, their capacity won't be exceeded. In this situation would it be better to raise the price a little for everyone to expand capacity, or charge the ones who are saturating the pipe more?

Furthermore, not all data is equal, it's more important to prioritize data that needs a lower latency (such as voice or gaming) over say someone's terabyte backup, or a mostly text website.

So a bit is most certainly not a bit in all situations. This is why QoS exists. Is it wrong for a company to charge more to someone who has a higher QoS priority, someone who uses more of the pipe and needs it to not be delayed? After all, it is their infrastructure.
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Best I'm understanding this, it's a should the internet be a Turnpike or a Freeway for the uploaders? And the controversy is that some of the uploaders are charging the downloaders yet their cost and profits are not based upon how much they use the road? Wrong? Simplistic?
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You consider someone to be "swinging and missing" because they asked for clarification and understanding? Maybe this is why you'll remain stupid and ignorant until your end of days.

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I'm not getting the argument for net neutrality. If someone uses more of the road, it seems reasonable they should have to pay more for it's upkeep.
The proponents of net nuetrality don't even really understand it. Most of them saw a John Oliver clip, heard some buzzwords, and now they're convinced repealing it will fundamentally change the internet.

In reality, repealing net neutrality will allow private companies to charge companies who places a heavier burden on their service different rates than those who don't. Hardly the end of the world, or even unfair.
Thank you. Could you pm Crusader some lessons on civility?

It does make an economic sense but It seems a rather major change that would be more difficult to back track from. Not sure it's consistent with the original intent of an "internet," not that it has to be. I'm sure some posters other than Crusaders are providing ideas. Maybe I'll understand them a bit better now.
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Bandwidth is not as simple as say power. For simplicity's sake, lets say there is a company that offers 1gbps to all its collocated customers. This company physically has a 10gpbs "pipe" but has 50 customers. 10 of these customers decide to use their allocated 1gbps at once. This doesn't leave any room on the pipe for the others who need access to it.

These customers aren't breaking the rules, but they are causing an inconvenience and the pricing model must be adjusted to account for this, as they will have to expand the size of their pipe.

ISP's price their bandwidth based on the fact that under normal circumstances, there will be users that are idle and through average usage of all users, their capacity won't be exceeded. In this situation would it be better to raise the price a little for everyone to expand capacity, or charge the ones who are saturating the pipe more?

Furthermore, not all data is equal, it's more important to prioritize data that needs a lower latency (such as voice or gaming) over say someone's terabyte backup, or a mostly text website.

So a bit is most certainly not a bit in all situations. This is why QoS exists. Is it wrong for a company to charge more to someone who has a higher QoS priority, someone who uses more of the pipe and needs it to not be delayed? After all, it is their infrastructure.
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