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Old 07-12-17, 07:38 AM
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Defend Internet Freedom Today

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Under current net neutrality rules, ISPs must generally deliver broadband service without blocking or throttling certain content, and without prioritizing other content in exchange for payment from websites. Absent net neutrality protections, however, we suspect this restraint won't last, especially in areas with little real competition. The experiments in messing with your Internet connection will be subtle at first, but absent massive consumer backlash, will certainly gather steam.

Net neutrality rules may not be perfect—but the ideas behind them matter. Simply gutting the rules altogether is the wrong way forward for Internet policy in America.

What can you do? Educate others—and speak out yourself. Comments are being taken by the FCC at this link. Click "Express" to write a comment directly into the FCC form, or click "New Filing" to upload documents. And let your senators and congresspeople know that you care about the issue.
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Old 07-12-17, 10:25 AM
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Net Neutrality will soon be dead. The FCC has not given any indication they care about citizen feedback. If it was based on who writes the most letters, obviously net neutrality would be here to stay.

The reason they likely don't care is because 99% of the complainers have an overblown view of what rolling back net neutrality laws will actually do because they got all their information from a 10 minute John Oliver piece.
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Old 07-12-17, 11:48 AM
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Of course it will lie somewhere in between the "end of the world" and "nothing to see here", but it's definitely a negative for consumers and the future of the interwebz
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Old 07-12-17, 12:06 PM
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The ISP's own the means of delivery, they should be free to charge for that delivery how they see fit. It doesn't make sense to charge all content the same, because all content does not have the same cost to provide.
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Old 07-12-17, 12:19 PM
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The ISP's own the means of delivery, they should be free to charge for that delivery how they see fit. It doesn't make sense to charge all content the same, because all content does not have the same cost to provide.
Some bits of data are more expensive?
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Old 07-12-17, 12:34 PM
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I'm not even sure what is being taken away
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Old 07-12-17, 12:36 PM
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I'm not even sure what is being taken away
Everything. The internet will basically be a collection of 3 sites promoting Comcast content if Net Neutrality goes away.
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Old 07-12-17, 12:45 PM
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So porn is a no go?
What about ADW horse racing websites?
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Old 07-12-17, 12:46 PM
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So porn is a no go?
What about ADW horse racing websites?
The porn will intercut a 30 second ad about adding landline right before the money shot.
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Old 07-12-17, 12:56 PM
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What is the argument for non-neutral pricing? Again, are some bits of data more costly to transmit?
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Old 07-12-17, 01:05 PM
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Because they own the billions of dollars in infrastructure they invested in and should be allowed to charge what they want for using it?
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Old 07-12-17, 01:24 PM
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Because they own the billions of dollars in infrastructure they invested in and should be allowed to charge what they want for using it?
It's a dysfunctional business model though. They operate in a business protected by a regulatory environment that discourages competition. Even if you and I had the money to build out an infrastructure to compete, we'd face a mountain of regulatory obstacles making it essentially impossible. In the meantime, allowing them to charge different pricing favoring those companies with deep enough pockets for additional speed is bad for consumers and bad for the general business environment, which is more and more dependent on internet speeds.

I'm all for capitalism, but this is a bastardized unhealthy version of it.
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Old 07-12-17, 01:33 PM
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It's a dysfunctional business model though. They operate in a business protected by a regulatory environment that discourages competition. Even if you and I had the money to build out an infrastructure to compete, we'd face a mountain of regulatory obstacles making it essentially impossible.
Verizon, a company with as deep a pockets as anyone, stopped their expansion in the Philadelphia area is because it's just not feasible to keep running Fiber while simultaneously trying to keep subscription costs down to compete with Comcast. It's an industry with an inherently almost impossibly high barrier to entry. regulation has little to do with why we don't see mom and pop ISP's.

These ISP's took massive risks and losses for a while that others are unable and unwilling to stomach. They should now be free to recoup that cost and run their business as they see fit.

I would be all in favor of rolling back any and all regulation, but to use that as an excuse for why we need ADDITIONAL government regulation of business, is backwards.

Also, the idea that the government stepping in will lead to a more free & open anything is kind of hilarious in its self.
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Not really. It's infrastructure and government does that best. Otherwise you get a dysfunctional version of capitalism that weighs down an economy, educational system, and entrepreneurship that is heavily reliant on internet speed and access.
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Old 07-12-17, 01:48 PM
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and government does that best.
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Old 07-12-17, 01:49 PM
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The number of ISPs available in any one area is limited by law and in many places municipalities are not allowed to build their own infrastructure to lease out. Due to these sort of regulations, no where are Verizon, Comcast, Spectrum/TWC, AT&T, etc. all competing. If you're pro-capitalism, you're pro-competition. The environment we have right now is anything but pro-competition.

Only in an environment where the ISPs are allowed to hold customers hostage by limiting competition is something like ending net neutrality even feasible.
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Look at how South Korea rolled out internet infrastructure. They enjoy a huge advantage over the US.
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Old 07-12-17, 02:03 PM
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I like that argument even better when it's made for healthcare and Canada, or college education and Sweden.
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Old 07-12-17, 02:05 PM
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Canada's internet is pretty much the same except there are no barriers for which carriers are allowed in an area. Telus, Bell, and Shaw are the big ones. You can get 150MB/s internet there for like $80 CAD and Canada is considered overpriced. One of the few places worse is the US.
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I like that argument even better when it's made for healthcare and Canada, or college education and Sweden.
Okay, I didn't make either of those arguments, but great. It's pretty easy to see internet is basically a commodity service like utilities and water.

Healthcare is another f'd up fake capitalism cluster.
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Old 07-12-17, 02:26 PM
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No, but it didn't take long.

Let me guess, you think the solution to healthcare is also more government regulation?
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Old 07-12-17, 02:34 PM
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The number of ISPs available in any one area is limited by law and in many places municipalities are not allowed to build their own infrastructure to lease out. Due to these sort of regulations, no where are Verizon, Comcast, Spectrum/TWC, AT&T, etc. all competing. If you're pro-capitalism, you're pro-competition. The environment we have right now is anything but pro-competition.

Only in an environment where the ISPs are allowed to hold customers hostage by limiting competition is something like ending net neutrality even feasible.
Good post.
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No, but it didn't take long.

Let me guess, you think the solution to healthcare is also more government regulation?
For you to raise it? I guess not. Why did you raise it? Wanted to deflect from the current discussion?

Healthcare is a great example of a dysfunctional market resulting in sky rocketing costs that over-extend the consumer. I'll let an expert like you tell me the best way to solve it. Go ahead....
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Old 07-12-17, 02:48 PM
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It's a dysfunctional business model though. They operate in a business protected by a regulatory environment that discourages competition. Even if you and I had the money to build out an infrastructure to compete, we'd face a mountain of regulatory obstacles making it essentially impossible. In the meantime, allowing them to charge different pricing favoring those companies with deep enough pockets for additional speed is bad for consumers and bad for the general business environment, which is more and more dependent on internet speeds.

I'm all for capitalism, but this is a bastardized unhealthy version of it.
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The number of ISPs available in any one area is limited by law and in many places municipalities are not allowed to build their own infrastructure to lease out. Due to these sort of regulations, no where are Verizon, Comcast, Spectrum/TWC, AT&T, etc. all competing. If you're pro-capitalism, you're pro-competition. The environment we have right now is anything but pro-competition.

Only in an environment where the ISPs are allowed to hold customers hostage by limiting competition is something like ending net neutrality even feasible.
+1, and +1. Sums up my thoughts well
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I'll let an expert like you tell me the best way to solve it. Go ahead....
Less government regulation tends to be the best solution to lower prices in my opinion. Free markets tend to do a pretty good job of meeting demand, as there's a profit incentive to do so.

Plus, the government sucks at almost everything it tries to do. See: The ACA
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Old 07-12-17, 02:50 PM
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Less government regulation tends to be the best solution to lower prices in my opinion. Free markets tend to do a pretty good job of meeting demand, as there's a profit incentive to do so.

Plus, the government sucks at almost everything it tries to do. See: The ACA
It's bad practice to allow the government to essentially back monopolies (utility companies) and THEN allow those companies holding the monopolies free reign over pricing structure. It's the worst form of "Capitalism"
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It's bad practice to allow the government to essentially back monopolies (utility companies) and THEN allow those companies holding the monopolies free reign over pricing structure. It's the worst form of "Capitalism"
I don't disagree. However less regulation is the answer, not more.

It's also a fallacy that regulation is the primary barrier to entry to this market. I haven't seen much convincing evidence we'd have impactfully more ISP's if regulation was done away with. Not that it shouldn't be anyway.

And the idea of government intervention leading to a more free & open anything shows either naivety or ignorance.
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Less government regulation tends to be the best solution to lower prices in my opinion. Free markets tend to do a pretty good job of meeting demand, as there's a profit incentive to do so.

Plus, the government sucks at almost everything it tries to do. See: The ACA
So what does that look like for healthcare?
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Old 07-12-17, 02:57 PM
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So what does that look like for healthcare?
Allow people to buy insurance if they want it. Or not if they don't, but also allow them to suffer the consequences of a bad decision.

Allow insurance companies to charge what they'd like for the plans they want to offer. Allow competition across state lines.

Give employers the option of whether they want to offer health coverage to employees, and if so what plans they'd like to provide.

What does your version of a perfect healthcare system look like?
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Allow people to buy insurance if they want it. Or not if they don't, but also allow them to suffer the consequences of a bad decision.

Allow insurance companies to charge what they'd like for the plans they want to offer. Allow competition across state lines.

Give employers the option of whether they want to offer health coverage to employees, and if so what plans they'd like to provide.

What does your version of a perfect healthcare system look like?
Exactly this. I'd make a killing.
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