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Old 07-05-17, 11:40 PM
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Volvo says it will no longer make gas cars after 2019

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Volvo is going all in on the electric car.

The Swedish automaker is slamming on the brakes on vehicles powered solely by internal combustion engines, announcing that every car it makes from 2019 onward will have an electric motor.

The move makes Chinese-owned Volvo the first traditional carmaker to fully embrace electric and hybrid production.
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Old 07-06-17, 01:56 AM
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So dumb that everyone is abandoning diesel. Europe is in the process of basically outlawing them.
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Old 07-06-17, 01:58 AM
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I don't understand why we haven't switched to the gas-engine/electric-motor hybrid already. Cars are much lighter than they were in the past. It's much more efficient to charge batteries via the gas/diesel 'generator', and run the car motor off electricity as it can handle acceleration much more efficiently than an internal combustion engine. Since 'top end speed' is about the only time ICEs are even marginally efficient at transferring energy into movement. A gas-generator recharging batteries can run at optimal RPM to charge the batteries as quickly as possible and then power down for the next cycle.

Loss of power during transition is minimal. Loss of energy during 'idle' is near non-existent with electric compared to gas powered. Though my sister owned a Chevy Malibu "Eco" that had a small electric motor mounted on the end of the crackshaft. When you come to a stop, the electric motor kicks on and the gas is cut from the engine until you begin to accelerate again. Which made city-mileage much higher. And in LA that was a big deal for driving. Highway driving, though? No benefits to the system except an extra battery and electric motor for added weight. Though some weight savings were elsewhere in trimming body design.
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Old 07-06-17, 07:06 AM
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looking forward to seeing what this does for the future of non-gas cars. Could be the jump forward needed that is about 10 years later than it should have been.
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Old 07-06-17, 08:40 PM
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So dumb that everyone is abandoning diesel. Europe is in the process of basically outlawing them.
Absolutely insane. They will all end up in Russia, I'm guessing. Russkies love the used car biz here.
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Old 07-06-17, 09:41 PM
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Being able to claim they were "first" is a solid marketing play.

I don't see electric vehicles gaining ownership in America... What I do see is a bunch of driverless electric taxis shuffling people around while people still own their own trucks.
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Old 07-07-17, 09:46 AM
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Bold move, I like it
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Old 07-07-17, 04:11 PM
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Bold move, I like it
It would never happen without the European governments picking tech winners and losers via regulation. All fake.
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Old 07-07-17, 04:14 PM
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And don't get me wrong - I love it. Let Europe screw their stupid citizenry. Our fuel will be cheaper when we jump off the climate bandwagon post-Obama.
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Old 07-07-17, 06:38 PM
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Don't be afraid of positive change cabez
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Old 07-07-17, 07:22 PM
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Fearless here. Thanks for the uplifting remarks, though.
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Old 07-07-17, 07:29 PM
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Volvo has been rumored to be pulling out of the US market and this move just might do the job for them.
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Old 07-07-17, 07:32 PM
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Do they still make commercial trucks, or is their name on someone else's product ?
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Old 07-07-17, 08:29 PM
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Along with other major commercial truck companies, Volvo has a big presence in my city (US HQ, I believe and a very nice campus, too). Volvo trucks sold in the U.S. are produced in Va.

https://www.volvotrucks.us/about-vol...ssembly-plant/
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Old 07-07-17, 10:28 PM
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Volvo owns Mack, that's how they got into the U.S. market years ago.
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Old 07-07-17, 10:36 PM
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Peterbilt, Mack ,Kenworth, Freightliner which do you prefer?

Volvo still makes commercial trucks
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Old 07-07-17, 11:14 PM
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Old 07-08-17, 12:42 AM
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International makes a lot of work trucks. But, under Freightliner (which is the old Ford lineage), there's Sterling which is work trucks (salt, plow, dump truck, etc). Peterbilt and Kenworth are owned by the same company and are primarily big rigs. Volvo got into big rigs with Mack, which was much more a 'work truck' type equipment originally.
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Old 07-08-17, 08:01 AM
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Absolutely insane. They will all end up in Russia, I'm guessing. Russkies love the used car biz here.
Every big thing probably started off with people doubting it.
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Old 07-08-17, 10:52 AM
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Time will tell.
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Old 07-08-17, 11:20 AM
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Every big thing probably started off with people doubting it.
So do many failures. Do you have a point here ?

I'm sure electric vehicles will be the norm some day. The point is that there is no LEGITIMATE economic reason for that to happen any time soon.

Who would invest in something that costs more than that which it would replace ? No one, without government regulatory interference and manipulation.
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Old 07-08-17, 12:40 PM
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If it cuts emissions and improves public health, it may be smart for government to subsidize.
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Old 07-08-17, 05:47 PM
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So do many failures. Do you have a point here ?

I'm sure electric vehicles will be the norm some day. The point is that there is no LEGITIMATE economic reason for that to happen any time soon.

Who would invest in something that costs more than that which it would replace ? No one, without government regulatory interference and manipulation.
I am puzzled how you think electric vehicles will be a failure? The writing has been on the wall for decades. Just because you think it will be a failure does it mean it will. My guess is it will be a hit and the markets are ready for it. You should probably leave the thinking to others anyway, you seemed to be cerebrally challenged when it comes to looking beyond what's in front of you.

There was no economic reason for cell phones or computers until they were created....what's your point?

Tech breeds more tech. Hence the reason why tech products fall in price as new tech is created.
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Old 07-08-17, 05:54 PM
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Inventions that people(the cabes of the world)said were a bad idea.

10. Online shopping
9. Post it notes
8. Ipad
7. Light bulb
6. Telephone
5. Airplanes
4. Televisions
3. Automobile
2. Personal computers
1. Data transmission
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Old 07-08-17, 07:15 PM
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Uncle Ted going in on weirdo.
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Old 07-08-17, 10:15 PM
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I am puzzled how you think electric vehicles will be a failure?
Electric vehicles, as they exist now, do not have the range of vehicles with an internal combustion engine and cost more to purchase. I don't want one.
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Old 07-08-17, 10:17 PM
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There was no economic reason for cell phones or computers until they were created....
What an ignorant statement. Of course there were.
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Old 07-08-17, 10:27 PM
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There was no economic reason for cell phones or computers until they were created...
What an ignorant statement. Of course there were.
Semantics isn't it? We had other ways to perform the functions of "cell phones" and "computers." They both were inventions of fancy as are most. They most certainly weren't invented to meet economic reasons, being much more expensive and less reliable than alternatives. Not everything is an Atom bomb, created to meet a specific purpose.

Certainly not "ignorant." Not everything that refutes a point is "ignorant."
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Old 07-09-17, 06:15 AM
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Semantics isn't it?
No.
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Old 07-09-17, 07:42 AM
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What an ignorant statement. Of course there were.
My statement is accurate. I can't help that you find accuracy ignorant.
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