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Old 10-12-18, 02:13 PM
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I only brought in officiating to prove this point.
And what was that point?
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Old 10-12-18, 02:19 PM
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Oh wait, one more:

Always wanting to get in the last word.

And thinking reffing is a "vocation" - You were called o great one.

You are proving my point.
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Old 10-12-18, 02:26 PM
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Oh wait, one more:

Always wanting to get in the last word.

And thinking reffing is a "vocation" - You were called o great one.

You are proving my point.
And you’re proving ours.

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If you're going to mindlessly attack my avocation
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Old 10-12-18, 02:40 PM
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And you’re proving ours.
I gotta admit.... you made me laugh on that one.... (one letter changes the whole definition)


Anyway, pay no attention to him..... he craves this stuff.

For two hours he's the guy yelling "three seconds" when the ball is on the rim.... The other 22 hours he's telling the coaches what they are doing wrong strategically, ethically, and morally.... he's got all the answers without ever having the responsibility for a high school team meeting, practice, or game as a coach or making a split second decision as an official....

Had a couple of people from his school's forum warn me it was going to turn out like this. Wish I had listened.... won't let it happen again.

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Old 10-12-18, 03:49 PM
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One thing to sum up Trey

Trey, I learned a long time ago not to show my in public. Hope you will learn this one day too.
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Old 10-12-18, 04:41 PM
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Anti-shot clock FACTS that have all been given on this thread:

-Overwhelming majority of HS possessions last under 30 seconds
-Skill levels of HS teams vary much more widely than higher levels, and NFHS rules cover a wider variety of age groups than NCAA or NBA rules
-HS sports do not exist to "get kids ready for the next level" (very small percentage go on to play in college) nor to entertain fans
-NFHS does not allow it, and the OHSAA has made clear it will not go against the NFHS
-Costs which would be crippling to many schools and districts
-Difficulty and cost of finding competent individuals to operate it

There are probably more that I'm missing.

Pro-shot clock FACTS that have all been given on this thread:

-The higher levels use it.

Every other pro-shot clock argument has been opinion- or emotion-based.
My experience does not confirm fact one as the scores would bare out.
Fact 2 has nothing to do with whether one should play the modern game of basketball
Fact 3 is not relevant to whether one should play the modern game of basketball Fact 3 is not a fact, it is just an opinion by the way
NFHS is made of up state reps, if they wanted it, then the NFHS would authorize it...see pitch count in baseball.
Cost is a legit concern but we spend a ridiculous amount of money on turf fields and scoreboard (or get donations) so if we wanted to do it.. we could
Trained personnel could be developed to run the shot clock

The bottom line is that there are group of people here that want to give the less talented and less fit athlete the opportuntiy to win the game by having a better strategy or coaching. Keep on keeping on..just quit calling it baskenall
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Old 10-12-18, 07:43 PM
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...just quit calling it baskenall
deal!
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Old 10-12-18, 09:01 PM
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deal!
Or basketball (I missed that edit..dang)
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Old 10-13-18, 04:33 AM
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1) My experience does not confirm fact one as the scores would bare out.
2) Fact 2 has nothing to do with whether one should play the modern game of basketball
3) Fact 3 is not relevant to whether one should play the modern game of basketball Fact 3 is not a fact, it is just an opinion by the way
NFHS is made of up state reps, if they wanted it, then the NFHS would authorize it...see pitch count in baseball.
Cost is a legit concern but we spend a ridiculous amount of money on turf fields and scoreboard (or get donations) so if we wanted to do it.. we could
4) Trained personnel could be developed to run the shot clock

5) The bottom line is that there are group of people here that want to give the less talented and less fit athlete the opportuntiy to win the game by having a better strategy or coaching.

6) Keep on keeping on..just quit calling it baskenall
1) Scores would not confirm or "bare" out time of possession. Time studies would determine who is correct.

http://www.maxpreps.com/news/pewg4Mb...re-scoring.htm


MY experience would "confirm" Stripe's hypothesis that the far majority of possessions are within that time. That's WHY that time is being promoted for shot clock. Same as the time selected for college and pros. The purpose of shot clock wasn't to change the "far majority" of the game. It was to change a particular and rarely used strategy of the game not felt as entertaining.


2) The "modern" game of high school basketball does not have a shot clock. Your wish is to CHANGE the modern game.
3a) "modern" See two.

3b) "opinion" His opinion was support by clear and obvious fact:

i "HS sports do not exist to "get kids ready for the next level" "very small percentage go on to play in college."
ii "nor to entertain fans" He is again correct.While funding of high school sports might be problematic without fans, high school sports is high school curriculum. You might have called it "gym." Extracurricular sports is an extention of high school ideals: development of body and mind. It has continually existed without a single fan present.
4) ad nauseum. Regardless the debate on entertainment factor, cost and manpower are an issue for many programs.
5) The bottom line is a group of one doesn't know how to teach his players defense so he wants the game to change to something within his limited skill set.

6) OK, I'll stop calling it baskenall but without my dentures, it can be difficult.




You're not really good at this debate thing, are you?
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Old 10-13-18, 11:14 AM
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You guys can argue and stamp your feet and name call all you want. Eventually there will be a shot clock in high school basketball...Might be a few years down the road...who knows but the game is constantly changing...When I played there was NO 3 point line at any level...Then the pro's got it...then NCAA, then High School...When my Dad played the key was tiny! At one time there was a jump ball after every made basket...now we don't even jump held balls...the game will keep evolving and changing whether us old timers like it or not...I played NCAA Division 1 Volleyball 35 years ago...now it is scored differenty and there are even different positions...almost every rule has been altered since my day...games change...what doesn't change is the fact we are getting older
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Old 10-13-18, 01:04 PM
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I gotta admit.... you made me laugh on that one.... (one letter changes the whole definition)


Anyway, pay no attention to him..... he craves this stuff.

For two hours he's the guy yelling "three seconds" when the ball is on the rim.... The other 22 hours he's telling the coaches what they are doing wrong strategically, ethically, and morally.... he's got all the answers without ever having the responsibility for a high school team meeting, practice, or game as a coach or making a split second decision as an official....

Had a couple of people from his school's forum warn me it was going to turn out like this. Wish I had listened.... won't let it happen again.
Sounds like a typical AAU fan. In the future I won't feel the troll.

Wonder what school he's associated with...
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The bottom line is that there are group of people here that want to give the less talented and less fit athlete the opportuntiy to win the game by having a better strategy or coaching. Keep on keeping on..just quit calling it baskenall
Maybe you should petition to the OHSAA to stop calling it basketball.


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You guys can argue and stamp your feet and name call all you want. Eventually there will be a shot clock in high school basketball...Might be a few years down the road...who knows but the game is constantly changing...When I played there was NO 3 point line at any level...Then the pro's got it...then NCAA, then High School...When my Dad played the key was tiny! At one time there was a jump ball after every made basket...now we don't even jump held balls...the game will keep evolving and changing whether us old timers like it or not...I played NCAA Division 1 Volleyball 35 years ago...now it is scored differenty and there are even different positions...almost every rule has been altered since my day...games change...what doesn't change is the fact we are getting older
The only person name-calling and foot-stomping is trey, who has mysteriously disappeared after he misquoted my words and got called out.

People have been saying there will be a shot clock since last century. Given that it's 2018 and still only eight states have it, I'll believe it when I see it.
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Old 10-13-18, 02:49 PM
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I'm still here.

Did I call anyone a name?
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Old 10-14-18, 01:20 AM
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You guys can argue and stamp your feet and name call all you want. Eventually there will be a shot clock in high school basketball...Might be a few years down the road...who knows but the game is constantly changing...
I see no name calling and I see no one refute the game changes. So by your reasoning, down the road eventually there will be no shot clock in College or Professional.

Thank you for your good sense.

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...what doesn't change is the fact we are getting older
what doesn't change is the fact that not all get wiser

This is simply an exchange of reasons behind why there should not be a shot clock in high school basketball or why there should be a lowering of standards of competition.

We became a great country because of our ability to live diverse experiences, exchange and incorporate those diverse experiences and overcome the challenges that diversity can bring to social structure. This socialist "Takes a Villiage" everyone has to do it the same way crap, raised no society to a level of ours. Teaching kids the only way is the same way, weakens the educational system.

Learn to defend and your teams will not need a shot clock to take the ball away from the other team for you. And oh by the way, that will be an exciting game.
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Old 10-14-18, 02:28 PM
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There is a difference between evolving and regress....two things likely to change...the addition of a 4 point shot and changing of the court dimensions (both at the pro level)...IMO you will see a shot clock in high school in a majority of states within 15 years...maybe a defensive 5 second call in the paint....anyone else want to peer in the crystal ball and say what they think will happen?
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Old 10-14-18, 07:58 PM
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I'm still here.

Did I call anyone a name?
Your blanket shots at officials count.
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Old 10-14-18, 09:06 PM
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Quit being so sensitive.
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Old 10-15-18, 06:51 AM
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You asked, I showed. Don't shoot the messenger.
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Old 10-15-18, 01:15 PM
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I don't think a shot clock would hurt the game, but I also don't think it's worth the hassle.

Even in the lower scoring HS contests, I think you'd be surprised how few possessions go longer than 40 seconds, if any.
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Old 10-15-18, 01:23 PM
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I don't think a shot clock would hurt the game, but I also don't think it's worth the hassle.

Even in the lower scoring HS contests, I think you'd be surprised how few possessions go longer than 40 seconds, if any.
That's been our (those opposed) contention this whole thread. Stalling happens in an extremely insignificant percentage of games.

I don't think it would hurt the game overall, either. But I firmly believe it's an expensive solution looking for a problem.
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