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Old 12-21-17, 12:29 PM
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Would you allow police to search your car?

Would you consent to a search if a police officer asked during a traffic stop? A friend of mine did and I told her she was crazy.

Of course, nothing found and she went on her way with a ticket for 73 in a 60. Not sure what the cop saw to ask, but shouldn't the answer always be no even if you are a law-abiding citizen?

If there was some serious reason, such as he saw a weapon or drug paraphernalia, then I think they don't have to ask. Not sure what fishing expedition he was on, but I'd want no part in it.
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Old 12-21-17, 12:41 PM
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I'd ask why he felt the need to search, but I would likely comply as long as the cop was being reasonable and polite.
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Old 12-21-17, 01:07 PM
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Give it up! The donut box is empty.
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Old 12-21-17, 01:32 PM
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I wouldn’t consent. What good could happen for you if you allow a search?
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Old 12-21-17, 01:34 PM
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I would not ever consent.

It's not that I do not trust your average police officer, but I would be foolish to trust every police officer.
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Old 12-21-17, 01:44 PM
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If I know I have nothing to hide, my first instinct is to say yes. Nowadays, I would amend that to add "and if I'm not carrying large sums of cash obtained legally"

Saw an interesting story recently about asset forfeiture, some guy with a Russian name who had $11,0000 in cash stashed in a compartment, he says it came from meeting someone who bought an expensive piece of audio equipment or instrument.

Not sure if he was stopped for speeding, or a sobriety checkpoint, but the cop asked permission to do the search, and he said yes, knowing he hadn't done anything wrong - and they siezed the money, I guess because it "looked suspicious", and because they could. At the time the story was written, he hadn't gotten his money back yet.
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Old 12-21-17, 01:54 PM
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No.

I have another one for you. If you pulled up to a DUI checkpoint would you offer to blow even though you were 100% sober? For the record I detest drunk driving and drunk drivers, especially in today's age of Uber/Lyft and ridesharing but you need probably cause. Simply driving down the road is not probable cause.
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Old 12-21-17, 01:58 PM
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I wouldnít consent. What good could happen for you if you allow a search?
Agreed. I don't think you're getting a prize if they find nothing
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Old 12-21-17, 02:11 PM
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No.

I have another one for you. If you pulled up to a DUI checkpoint would you offer to blow even though you were 100% sober? For the record I detest drunk driving and drunk drivers, especially in today's age of Uber/Lyft and ridesharing but you need probably cause. Simply driving down the road is not probable cause.
Well, a "blow" is basically a search. Same issues.

One problem I see is that in this issue of revenue generation, cops in some areas are taught by their departments to ring you up for every little thing. Don't they say there is detectable drug residue on 90% of the cash in circulation? Cha-ching - pay a fine or go to jail - or both.

Saw another article about some cop in Arizona or New Mexico, he was honored for something like 60 arrests for suspected OVI due to marijuana.

Trouble is, he's basing an arrest on whether a person is tired, has red eyes, and doesn't move with lightning quickness. On the police cams, you can hear him say, "Ma'am, I'm trained and certified to detect when a person is drivning under the influence of marijuana with a very high degree of accuracy" - all without a blood test.

Two people arrested by him had blood tests done immediately to prove they had no THC in their systems, and the charges were thrown out - but the department issued a statement saying, "We believe out guy, and obviously in these cases, the marijuana metabolized out the suspects' systems before the blood test could be done."

That's when you know it's only about revenue generation.
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Old 12-21-17, 03:33 PM
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I wouldnít consent. What good could happen for you if you allow a search?
They bring the dog out and he hits on a command that the officer gives. Now they can search your car and tear it up.
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Old 12-21-17, 03:42 PM
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No.

I have another one for you. If you pulled up to a DUI checkpoint would you offer to blow even though you were 100% sober? For the record I detest drunk driving and drunk drivers, especially in today's age of Uber/Lyft and ridesharing but you need probably cause. Simply driving down the road is not probable cause.
They don't need probable cause. The Supreme Court ruled that the "intrusion on individual liberties does not violate a person's fourth amendment protection." Ultimately it now falls on each state to determine the constitutionality of DUI checkpoints.
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Old 12-21-17, 03:42 PM
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Well, a "blow" is basically a search. Same issues.

One problem I see is that in this issue of revenue generation, cops in some areas are taught by their departments to ring you up for every little thing. Don't they say there is detectable drug residue on 90% of the cash in circulation? Cha-ching - pay a fine or go to jail - or both.

Saw another article about some cop in Arizona or New Mexico, he was honored for something like 60 arrests for suspected OVI due to marijuana.

Trouble is, he's basing an arrest on whether a person is tired, has red eyes, and doesn't move with lightning quickness. On the police cams, you can hear him say, "Ma'am, I'm trained and certified to detect when a person is drivning under the influence of marijuana with a very high degree of accuracy" - all without a blood test.

Two people arrested by him had blood tests done immediately to prove they had no THC in their systems, and the charges were thrown out - but the department issued a statement saying, "We believe out guy, and obviously in these cases, the marijuana metabolized out the suspects' systems before the blood test could be done."

That's when you know it's only about revenue generation.
You're thinking of Georgia.
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Old 12-21-17, 04:52 PM
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Nope but I'm guessing your friend had prior 69(drug) activity before or came from a known drug area.

If a cop asked for consent, that means he has no probably cause to search. Also means he is not getting a k9.

I get pulled over a lot on 33 in my girlfriends Mercedes since it has Kentucky plates and I'm a cop lol
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Old 12-21-17, 05:21 PM
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Nope but I'm guessing your friend had prior 69(drug) activity before or came from a known drug area.

If a cop asked for consent, that means he has no probably cause to search. Also means he is not getting a k9.

I get pulled over a lot on 33 in my girlfriends Mercedes since it has Kentucky plates and I'm a cop lol
He won't get a k9 if you don't give him consent?

I would say no.
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Old 12-21-17, 05:24 PM
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They bring the dog out and he hits on a command that the officer gives. Now they can search your car and tear it up.
Lol, okay.
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Lol, okay.


Lot of videos online where the person said no and the cops called the K-9 unit. Sure enough the dog gets a hit on the car and they tear it apart


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Old 12-21-17, 09:27 PM
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Lot of videos online where the person said no and the cops called the K-9 unit. Sure enough the dog gets a hit on the car and they tear it apart


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Lol, okay. Iím not worried.
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I'd still say no. And in this case, no clear reason was given for the request and there is no history on the person in question here. Pure random "cop intuition" that was just off the mark.
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Old 12-21-17, 10:55 PM
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Should I give consent? Absolutely not.
Would I give consent? A lot fuzzier answer.

If I'm pulled over in a area that I don't go through frequently I would not give consent. If the police want to get a dog go ahead but I'm not going to make it easy on them even though I don't have anything illegal.

If I'm around where I live I would probaly go ahead and say yes. I have a basic two seat truck so it would/should be a quick search but more importantly to me it's a small town (Grandview) and the police here have long memories. I don't want to get pulled over for going 27 in a 25 when I'm headed to the range with a couple guns and 500 rounds of ammo because someone remembered I didn't give consent to search my truck and now I have to explain guns and ammo in my truck even though I'm legal.
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Old 12-21-17, 11:27 PM
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Lot of videos online where the person said no and the cops called the K-9 unit. Sure enough the dog gets a hit on the car and they tear it apart


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You forgot the ending - the cops actually DO find what the dog alerted to.
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You forgot the ending - the cops actually DO find what the dog alerted to.


Actually Iíve seen several where they donít


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Old 12-21-17, 11:34 PM
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No.

I have another one for you. If you pulled up to a DUI checkpoint would you offer to blow even though you were 100% sober? For the record I detest drunk driving and drunk drivers, especially in today's age of Uber/Lyft and ridesharing but you need probably cause. Simply driving down the road is not probable cause.
I don't think that is how DUI checkpoints work. I don't think they ask every driver that goes through the checkpoint to take a breathalyzer. I think they ask to see license, registration, and proof of insurance. While they check those, they are looking for tell-tale signs that would establish probable cause for them to ask for a breathalyzer (e.g. is your speech slurred, when you talk to them can they smell it on your breath, are you attentive and responsive to their requests, etc).

Someone who has been through one can correct me if I am wrong.

Interestingly, I was coming home from work late one evening, and I almost wound up going through one, but my route home had me take the last left turn possible before going through the checkpoint. As I made that turn, I wondered if they thought I was purposely avoiding the checkpoint (I wasn't, as I had given up drinking several years before).
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FWIW, I would never consent to a search. I probably would have before going to law school, but not now. Also, keep asking if you are being detained. You can be detained for only a reasonable amount of time if they are going to do something like try to bring a canine unit out to sniff your vehicle.

Also, if you ever do get arrested, do NOT speak to the police without your attorney present. The police may try to tell you that things will go easier if you don't get a lawyer - do NOT believe them. Even if you are as innocent as the day is long, anything you want to tell them before your lawyer shows up, if it is a good idea, you can still tell them AFTER talking to your lawyer about it.
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Old 12-22-17, 07:43 AM
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...years ago my gf and I went up to see Niagara Falls & coming back from the Canadian side, we went through customs where they ask the normal questions are you an American citizen? (yes), what were you doing in Canada? (see the Falls and have dinner)...etc.) and after answering all their questions they told me to pull over and get out of the car. My first question to them was why and they then surrounded my car with like 6 agents who were hell bent on tearing my car apart and told me if I didn't comply I would be arrested.
Well, they searched it and things were going pretty good until this one POS pulled my golf clubs out of the trunk and dumped them on the pavement. I got pissed as hell because they were brand new and hit them only once I told him they were new and asked what his F'ng problem was. Things escalated then and they pulled me over to an area and frisked me all the while I kept saying I didn't do anything and that they had no reason to destroy my stuff. They then made my gf, dump here purse and were going to pat her down until I said they couldn't if there wasn't a female custom agent to do it, so they backed off from that. To bring the story to a conclusion, they found nothing and told me I could leave. When I looked back at my car...the back seats were out of the car, my clubs were sprawled out in the parking lot and I said I'm not going anywhere until you azzzholes put everything back just the way it was. They said no that it was my responsibility and I said I wanted to speak with the supervisor and that I was going to call my lawyer in Ohio. About an hour later, some fatass supervisor came over and said he would get things taken care of..which they did.

I will never consent to a voluntary search.
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Actually Iíve seen several where they donít


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I am sure that people posting videos on youtube never edit the videos to show themselves in the best possible light, or to show police officers in the worst possible light.
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I am sure that people posting videos on youtube never edit the videos to show themselves in the best possible light, or to show police officers in the worst possible light.


Youíre not a cynic huh


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I would, I have nothing to hide. And even if I did have something to hide, I'd still them search. It's complying with a request from a police officer. You can comply the easy way, or the hard way.
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Sounds about right
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No surprise 14red would make the worst possible decision for himself
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Before I let them search without a warrant, I might ask them why and what they are looking for? Their answer would probably help me decide whether I want to give the go ahead or not.
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