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Old 07-10-17, 11:35 AM
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14red makes the dumbest, most uninformed comments of any poster in yappi history. Lol.
The National media was talking about Harper when he was a Soph in HS. Hell, even LeBron didn't get national cvg until he was a Junior.

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Old 07-10-17, 11:49 AM
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I follow baseball casually at best and had definitely heard of Harper before he was drafted.
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Old 07-10-17, 02:02 PM
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I saw highlights of Bryce Harper as a HS junior on ESPN. He was in a HR derby (in the Rays ballpark I believe) and hit two balls further than any major league player had ever hit in that park. He is the same age as my son, so we were laughing and making comments about how much it would stink to pitch to that kid in high school.
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Old 07-10-17, 02:24 PM
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I saw highlights of Bryce Harper as a HS junior on ESPN. He was in a HR derby (in the Rays ballpark I believe) and hit two balls further than any major league player had ever hit in that park. He is the same age as my son, so we were laughing and making comments about how much it would stink to pitch to that kid in high school.
That's nice, and Harper has been legit, but sure we could go back in time and find another "can't miss" prospect who hit 500 ft. home runs in high school who feel flat on his face.
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Old 07-10-17, 02:29 PM
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The National media was talking about Harper when he was a Soph in HS. Hell, even LeBron didn't get national cvg until he was a Junior.
The national media talks about high school kids every year. Just in the last month, I've seen 3 articles of Nevada, Illinois and Iowa State offering a 9 year old, a 10 year old and and 8th grader respectively, football scholarships. There will always be a top prospect, every single year.
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Old 07-10-17, 02:34 PM
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The national media talks about high school kids every year. Just in the last month, I've seen 3 articles of Nevada, Illinois and Iowa State offering a 9 year old, a 10 year old and and 8th grader respectively, football scholarships. There will always be a top prospect, every single year.
Yeah and how many of them end up on the cover of SI? Just admit you're wrong.
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Old 07-10-17, 03:39 PM
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The national media talks about high school kids every year. Just in the last month, I've seen 3 articles of Nevada, Illinois and Iowa State offering a 9 year old, a 10 year old and and 8th grader respectively, football scholarships. There will always be a top prospect, every single year.
You're the clown who said only baseball fanatics knew about Harper when he was in HS. You're wrong, per usual. Harper is baseball's closest version of LBJ in the last 10 years, speaking to HS hype and on-field production.
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Old 07-10-17, 03:44 PM
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That's nice, and Harper has been legit, but sure we could go back in time and find another "can't miss" prospect who hit 500 ft. home runs in high school who feel flat on his face.
In the matter of a few posts you went from claiming nobody knew about Harper to calling him a can't miss prospect. Christ almighty.
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Old 07-10-17, 03:44 PM
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I think in baseball, the MVP should have the least to due with team success because of how the game is structured. One individual player has the least to do with the success or failure of the team than baseball. Joey can hit .400, but only have 4 at bats per game, he does not pitch and he plays one position. I'm surprised baseball doesn't take that more into consideration.
Mike Trout won an MVP on a non-playoff team just last year.
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Old 07-10-17, 03:52 PM
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Yeah and how many of them end up on the cover of SI? Just admit you're wrong.
Considering they've put 3 high school baseball players on covers ever, none. Ever heard of Jon Peters?
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Old 07-10-17, 03:54 PM
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You're the clown who said only baseball fanatics knew about Harper when he was in HS. You're wrong, per usual. Harper is baseball's closest version of LBJ in the last 10 years, speaking to HS hype and on-field production.
Ha ha, Harper hasn't even won a playoff game. Just stop. You have no idea what you're talking about. Individual baseball players don't have the same impact as players in other team sports.
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Old 07-10-17, 03:55 PM
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With respect to trade deadline posts:
Long term deal for Cozart seems very unlikely and is a terrible idea, if in fact the Reds are rebuilding. I think they are.

Trading Suarez is an even worse idea. He has made himself a very good defensive 3B, and his upside with the bat is there. And he's 25. Exactly what you are trying to find in a rebuild. Why trade him?

I think the most tradeable assets the Reds have are:
- Feldman (veteran who is not in the long term plan)
- Storen (veteran, pitching OK, could shore up a contenders middle relief)
- Cozart
Agree on Suarez. Cozart is the piece you move, much like Frazier after his Derby winning season. Someone will want, maybe even need a veteran bat for the playoff push. Hopefully he stays hot enough the Reds can get something worthwhile back.
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Old 07-10-17, 04:04 PM
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Ha ha, Harper hasn't even won a playoff game. Just stop. You have no idea what you're talking about. Individual baseball players don't have the same impact as players in other team sports.

You made the argument for me. Of course baseball and basketball aren't close when it comes to individual players impact on the result. But the point still stands, Harper is as close to LBJ in terms of HS hype, to performance on the field.

2009 HS Player of the Year - Appeared on SI Cover
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His postseason success (or lack thereof) early in his career much like LeBron's early career can be tied to his supporting cast. Their bullpen has been awful.
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Old 07-10-17, 04:13 PM
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14reds is the worst informed baseball fan of all time.
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Old 07-10-17, 04:17 PM
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Ha ha, Harper hasn't even won a playoff game. Just stop. You have no idea what you're talking about. Individual baseball players don't have the same impact as players in other team sports.
Ha ha. Speaking of not knowing what you're talking about.....Just checked. Harper's team has won 5 playoff games in 3 postseason series.
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Old 07-10-17, 04:25 PM
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Hey guys, with the trade deadline approaching and a few days without meaningful baseball, who will the Reds trade?
I think Cingrani will Bring some good value back. He is having an above average year and his value is high now. As a lefty reliever he could bring a lot.
Drew Storen won't be resigned by the Reds and is pitching well. I think he will go by August.
Scott Feldman, he is the interesting one to me. He is cheap and a decent 4 or 5 starter. At 34 the Reds will not bring him back. Most teams may view him as a reliever though. I don't know that he has enough innings left in his arm to continue starting the rest of the year. He only pitched 77 innings last year. For him to throw 170+ this year would be a big jump.

The sleeper move..... signing Cozart to a 4 year 40 million contract. The Reds will push for 3 years 24 million but it will probably be 4/40.

The bold prediction...
Suarez will Bring a nice return from either Boston or the Yankees and Senzel will be starting at 3rd next year.
Great post EP! It's almost as if I wrote it....
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Old 07-10-17, 04:27 PM
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Ha ha. Speaking of not knowing what you're talking about.....Just checked. Harper's team has won 5 playoff games in 3 postseason series.
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Old 07-10-17, 04:28 PM
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Read the first sentence. Plenty of #2 picks bust from the MLB drafts. There is no such thing as a sure thing when it comes to drafting players in baseball.
I was addressing the last part of your post which is why I quoted it.

Of course there is no such thing as a sure thing in baseball's draft. I never said there was.
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Old 07-10-17, 04:41 PM
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With respect to trade deadline posts:
Long term deal for Cozart seems very unlikely and is a terrible idea, if in fact the Reds are rebuilding. I think they are.

Trading Suarez is an even worse idea. He has made himself a very good defensive 3B, and his upside with the bat is there. And he's 25. Exactly what you are trying to find in a rebuild. Why trade him?

I think the most tradeable assets the Reds have are:
- Feldman (veteran who is not in the long term plan)
- Storen (veteran, pitching OK, could shore up a contenders middle relief)
- Cozart
Suarez may be very good but he is blocking Senzel who is better.

Do you think Suarez can play SS at this level?
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Old 07-10-17, 05:10 PM
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Ha ha, Harper hasn't even won a playoff game. Just stop. You have no idea what you're talking about. Individual baseball players don't have the same impact as players in other team sports.
A.) Harper has won playoff games

B.) What does this have to do with you stupidly claiming only baseball geeks had heard of Harper before he got drafted?
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Old 07-10-17, 05:13 PM
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Suarez may be very good but he is blocking Senzel who is better.

Do you think Suarez can play SS at this level?
He's played SS at the Major League level in over 100 games. I think he'd be fine.
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Old 07-10-17, 05:20 PM
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http://www.bleachernation.com/2017/0...sition-player/

Apparently they aren't entirely closed to trading players that some of you deemed "off limits".
If the Cubs are going to move a position player, my money is on Russell being traded.
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Old 07-10-17, 05:21 PM
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He's played SS at the Major League level in over 100 games. I think he'd be fine.
100 games is a pretty small sample size.
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Old 07-10-17, 05:23 PM
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100 games is a pretty small sample size.
Not as small a sample as you proclaiming Cozart a 330 hitter.
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Old 07-10-17, 05:25 PM
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http://www.bleachernation.com/2017/0...sition-player/

Apparently they aren't entirely closed to trading players that some of you deemed "off limits".
If the Cubs are going to move a position player, my money is on Russell being traded.
Doubtful.
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Old 07-10-17, 05:54 PM
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Cozart is expendable. Trade him, if possible, for some sorely needed pitching. Keep Gennett! Infield (2B/SS/3B) would be between Suarez, Peraza, Gennett and Senzel. SS would be the only minor question mark, but there should be some good options with those four...and they're all still young.
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Old 07-10-17, 07:43 PM
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http://www.bleachernation.com/2017/0...sition-player/

Apparently they aren't entirely closed to trading players that some of you deemed "off limits".
If the Cubs are going to move a position player, my money is on Russell being traded.

1. No one ever said Russell is "off limits"
2. The Cubs are not trading Russell for Cozart straight up like you once thought possible
3. That is now and will always be a terrible trade for the Cubs, great deal for the Reds
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Old 07-10-17, 08:42 PM
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100 games is a pretty small sample size.
This is some great irony here
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Old 07-10-17, 08:58 PM
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These huddle folks are great
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Old 07-10-17, 09:37 PM
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This is some great irony here
No kidding, it was meant that way. Funny how you can see the irony in my post but not in EP's.
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