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Old 04-17-17, 02:23 PM
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He's going to Presque Isle Racetrack and Casino. Where open and dreams go to die. Reeks of desperation and lost souls
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Old 04-17-17, 02:28 PM
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I agree the guy should be executed. But if what has been posted is the law, then it doesn't sound like it fits.

In that case, seems like the parameters for the death penalty need widened.
The Washington Post story I posted said he's been charged with aggravated murder. Pretty sure that's the qualifier for the death penalty. Not just felony murder.
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Old 04-17-17, 03:04 PM
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The Washington Post story I posted said he's been charged with aggravated murder. Pretty sure that's the qualifier for the death penalty. Not just felony murder.
Might as well keep plugging away...

There's aggravated murder and then there's aggravated murder with specifications that allow for the death penalty. In this instance, it seems pretty clear to me that Mr. Stevens would be found guilty of "straight" aggravated murder (cause the death of another with prior calculation and design). The sentence for "straight" aggravated murder is 20 years to life (plus three additional years for the gun). However, the known facts do not support any of the categories that would allow the State to able to prove one of the "capital" specifications. If Mr. Stevens had robbed Mr. Goodwin and then shot/killed him, you could have a "capital" spec. If convicted of "capital" aggravated murder, the defendant would face a possible sentence of 20 to life, 25 to life, 30 to life, life without parole or the death penalty (plus three for the gun in each instance)...jury recommends one of these...judge can overrule the jury (rarely done but happened recently in Cuyahoga County for the first time in about 25 years).
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Old 04-17-17, 03:12 PM
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Keep plugging away lol. You were wrong on the Stewart case, and I'm willing to bet you'll be wrong on this too. I'm putting my money on the DA working something in there to get the death penalty. Either way, I either win or I'll be 1 and 1 with you.
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Old 04-17-17, 03:20 PM
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Keep plugging away lol. You were wrong on the Stewart case, and I'm willing to bet you'll be wrong on this too. I'm putting my money on the DA working something in there to get the death penalty. Either way, I either win or I'll be 1 and 1 with you.
The DA (who I know well...once called him as a witness) can try to "work" something in if he wants. He controls the Grand Jury, after all. But it won't fly.
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Old 04-17-17, 03:26 PM
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What did we determine on the arrest vs jail time debate
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Old 04-17-17, 05:50 PM
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He will go out in a "blaze of glory" by getting pumped full of lead by whatever police department surrounds him. Deservedly so.
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Old 04-17-17, 06:36 PM
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Actual law is set by statute. Precedent applies when there is a question on what the law means. If prosecutor cabezadecaballo successfully made his case of terrorism and it was upheld, that would create precedent in regard to clarifying the single line in orc 2929.04.
I would prefer just to skip right to "Executioner cabezadecaballo", as long as we are creating positions
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Old 04-17-17, 06:54 PM
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I would prefer just to skip right to "Executioner cabezadecaballo", as long as we are creating positions
I'd volunteer to be part of a firing squad.
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Old 04-17-17, 06:59 PM
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I'd volunteer to be part of a firing squad.
gimme 2 clips - I need 27

One for each kid in the legs, one for each grandkid in the gut.

And some earplugs


The man worked in a foundry his whole life, and was out picking cans. Probably spent his SS check helping his family.


Don't participate in the fake GoFundMe's btw. Last I heard, neither was actually linked to the family.
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Old 04-17-17, 07:19 PM
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He will go out in a "blaze of glory" by getting pumped full of lead by whatever police department surrounds him. Deservedly so.
We'll see. I think anyone that kills a helpless old man is a p*$$y at heart, more likely to off himself than stand and exchange gunfire. In fact, I think he's already attracting flies with the stench of his freshly rotting corpse.
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Old 04-17-17, 07:25 PM
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Just watched the video and a interview with 3 of his kids. They said their dad taught them so much and one of the things at the top of the list was forgiveness...they all said they forgive the killer... I myself will need more time.
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Old 04-18-17, 09:10 AM
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So, what if this guy broke into some loner's home, killed him/her, took his/her car, and stashed his car out of sight in that person's garage - before his FB vids were even reported ? He turns off his phone after the last FB posting, gets in the stolen car, and drives east on 90. He turns the phone on, gets "pinged", and turns it off and chucks it in the weeds. Right turn on rte 5, right turn on 76, and with some cash and a razor, he's in Arkansas......
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Old 04-18-17, 10:39 AM
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Why do I see a Lifetime movie coming out of this??
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Old 04-18-17, 10:49 AM
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Looks like he offed himself in Erie.
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Old 04-18-17, 10:56 AM
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Why do I see a Lifetime movie coming out of this??
No idea.
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Old 04-18-17, 10:57 AM
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Looks like he offed himself in Erie.
Good.
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Old 04-18-17, 11:04 AM
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Looks like he offed himself in Erie.
After an attempted capture. I wonder how he had evaded capture as long as he did ? Where was the car ?


At least he's unable to hurt anyone else.
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Old 04-18-17, 11:08 AM
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After an attempted capture. I wonder how he had evaded capture as long as he did ? Where was the car ?


At least he's unable to hurt anyone else.
Said State police spotted him and tried to perform a stop at which point he killed himself by two shots the the back of the head.

No really, they tried to stop him and he just shot himslef.
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Old 04-18-17, 11:11 AM
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Said State police spotted him and tried to perform a stop at which point he killed himself by two shots the the back of the head.

No really, they tried to stop him and he just shot himslef.
Well, they can't add "marksman" to his obit.
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Old 04-18-17, 11:15 AM
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There's probably nothing left upstairs for Dr.s to examine.
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Old 04-18-17, 11:54 AM
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CA was wrong again, as usual. Dude got the death penalty
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Old 04-18-17, 12:07 PM
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CA was wrong again, as usual. Dude got the death penalty
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Old 04-18-17, 12:49 PM
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Looks like he offed himself in Erie.
This could not have ended any better for all of us, hate to say it that way, but the thought of putting this guy in prison for the rest of his life for the taxpayers to take care of I feel is an option that needs to start going away.
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Old 04-18-17, 01:00 PM
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This could not have ended any better for all of us, hate to say it that way, but the thought of putting this guy in prison for the rest of his life for the taxpayers to take care of I feel is an option that needs to start going away.
I disagree.

IF an objective psychologist(s), with 0 cultural agenda-based bias, had been able to extensively interview this guy, it would have been a good thing. I'm not sure that the info gained would have been worth feeding him for the next 35 years, but it's always good to learn.
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Old 04-18-17, 01:12 PM
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As I suspected, a coward.
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Old 04-18-17, 01:28 PM
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(or cry) at the horrible humans looking to take advantage of a tragedy. They are arguing about just who has more cred because of their appearance at the impromptu memorial that has sprung up at the site of Mr Godwin's murder.


The one worthy take-away: a "neighborhood activist", probably sucking up a little block grant money and non-profit donations, could not find this place in "his" neighborhood.
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Old 04-18-17, 01:29 PM
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As I suspected, a coward.
Good call. CA also suggested he would be found dead as well.
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Old 04-18-17, 01:33 PM
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Why isn't the news media involved in the dissemination of info seeking help in the apprehension of these killers ?

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index..._shot_dea.html
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Old 04-18-17, 01:50 PM
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Why isn't the news media involved in the dissemination of info seeking help in the apprehension of these killers ?

http://www.cleveland.com/metro/index..._shot_dea.html
They all have the story with an appeal for help on their websites. What exactly do you want 'the news media' to do?
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