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Old 04-14-17, 12:32 PM
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Old 04-14-17, 01:07 PM
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Bit of snore for a trailer. That Thor one wasn't though.
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Old 04-14-17, 04:48 PM
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Hoping for more of a Rogue one feel than TFA. Honestly, if it's like TFA I'll just stop going to these movies.
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Old 04-15-17, 12:18 PM
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Hoping for more of a Rogue one feel than TFA. Honestly, if it's like TFA I'll just stop going to these movies.

I wonder if that won't be a bit of a fan-base dividing line: Rogue One vs. TFA. Rogue One has continuity on its side, the story mattered whereas TFA put a bullet hole in established continuity. I still preferred TFA, simply because I was entertained, it has new things and I enjoyed most of the actors (except the prime villains) whereas I didn't like almost anything about RO: not the acting, not the world building,.. it came off to ME as a poor fan product for British only.

Are there other IN continuity movies like RO in the works? I imagine the Rebels cartoon will connect sooner or later to RO, or that might make a good movie: kind of here's what happened to...
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Old 04-15-17, 01:15 PM
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Literally everything about Rogue One was better than TFA. The acting, the story, the characters, the tone. It was exactly the type of storytelling that made Star Wars so popular in the first place.

I believe there is a Han Solo film in the works.
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Old 04-15-17, 01:48 PM
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Old 04-15-17, 02:43 PM
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While the whole Star Wars foundation makes it hard to make a bad film I thought TFA was much better than RO.
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Old 04-15-17, 03:14 PM
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Rogue One was cardboard. Especially Felicity Jones who always has the same blank expression on her face in every role she plays. The characters were so forgettable that it had no impact if they died.

This has a very Empire feel to it and that's a good thing considering ESB is one of the best movies ever regardless of genre or franchise.
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Old 04-15-17, 03:25 PM
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Literally everything about Rogue One was better than TFA. The acting, the story, the characters, the tone. It was exactly the type of storytelling that made Star Wars so popular in the first place.

I believe there is a Han Solo film in the works.
The Han Solo one is in production now.


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Old 04-15-17, 09:22 PM
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I wonder if that won't be a bit of a fan-base dividing line: Rogue One vs. TFA. Rogue One has continuity on its side, the story mattered whereas TFA put a bullet hole in established continuity. I still preferred TFA, simply because I was entertained, it has new things and I enjoyed most of the actors (except the prime villains) whereas I didn't like almost anything about RO: not the acting, not the world building,.. it came off to ME as a poor fan product for British only.



Are there other IN continuity movies like RO in the works? I imagine the Rebels cartoon will connect sooner or later to RO, or that might make a good movie: kind of here's what happened to...


How did TFA screw up continuity?


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Old 04-15-17, 11:41 PM
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How did TFA screw up continuity?
It'd be spoilerish if I answered but the books had things somewhat differently..I guess what we're seeing in the movies is Disney Star Wars.
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Old 04-16-17, 12:21 PM
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It'd be spoilerish if I answered but the books had things somewhat differently..I guess what we're seeing in the movies is Disney Star Wars.
The books mean nothing anymore.
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It'd be spoilerish if I answered but the books had things somewhat differently..I guess what we're seeing in the movies is Disney Star Wars.


The books were never official continuity.

Just fan fiction essentially.


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Old 04-16-17, 05:15 PM
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The books were never official continuity.

Just fan fiction essentially.
I guess that would depend upon your definition of "never" but I'm not about to get into a geek debate.

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The books mean nothing anymore.
right, because.... the movie changed continuity. You were making a different point or just following up on the thought?

Shame really. The books were way more interesting then the plot set out by this movie. Of course, opinion and all that. I guess they had to dumb it down to get it into a few movies. Still, I enjoyed the movie.
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Old 04-16-17, 06:39 PM
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I guess that would depend upon your definition of "never" but I'm not about to get into a geek debate.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_canon



right, because.... the movie changed continuity. You were making a different point or just following up on the thought?

Shame really. The books were way more interesting then the plot set out by this movie. Of course, opinion and all that. I guess they had to dumb it down to get it into a few movies. Still, I enjoyed the movie.
didn't know if you realized the books had been tossed aside, that's all

i'm sure they realized that the majority of people did not read all the books and were not familiar with what happened in them.

basing anything in the movies on anything that happened in them would have been a bad idea.

Leaving them aside was much easier.
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Old 04-17-17, 05:10 AM
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didn't know if you realized the books had been tossed aside, that's all

i'm sure they realized that the majority of people did not read all the books and were not familiar with what happened in them.

basing anything in the movies on anything that happened in them would have been a bad idea.

Leaving them aside was much easier.
Last one mostly I'd imagine. Disney wanted the $, without any difficult constraints from the history. I don't agree that basing or even reflecting the movies on already established continuity, would have been a "bad idea." It was good history. Writers merge into established continuity all the time. Disney did it with Rogue One.

It was Disney's choice to take the easy road with TFA. It still worked out for me, as I liked that movie and the good guy characters. I just don't think the story is as strong as what had been established.
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Old 04-17-17, 02:32 PM
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Last one mostly I'd imagine. Disney wanted the $, without any difficult constraints from the history. I don't agree that basing or even reflecting the movies on already established continuity, would have been a "bad idea." It was good history. Writers merge into established continuity all the time. Disney did it with Rogue One.

It was Disney's choice to take the easy road with TFA. It still worked out for me, as I liked that movie and the good guy characters. I just don't think the story is as strong as what had been established.
It was never 'established continuity' as long as more movies were a possibility. Like someone mentioned above, they were really nothing more than fan fiction.

Again, the point of leaving them out was just how many people were aware of what the books laid out?

Other than hardcore fans, very, very few people read all the books. i imagine most hardcore folks didn't read ALL of them. I never have and I know way more about the Sarlacc than the average joe.

I'm not saying I agree with it, but I totally understand why they did it. It's their choice, not ours.

NOW, if I had written the books and stood to make money off of continuing sales, I'd be pretty pissed. Pissed at Disney, but more pissed at Lucas for selling everything without giving the book folks a lifeline.

Imagine how many of those books would have sold had they been the basis for new movies?
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Old 04-17-17, 03:19 PM
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Some pretty highly recognized authors, sales from 500,000 to 15 million a novel with 160 million total and their plotlines were Lucas approved but if someone wants to call the books "fan fiction," it's their sandy semantics in their ears I suppose. Just a pissing contest waiting to happen.

Yeah as I posted, I understand why also. Easier money. Is the story as good? I'd be unfair to judge after just one movie but I suspect this being Disney and they've made clear their loyalty is only to the bottom line, is going to be a long drug out story.
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Old 04-18-17, 12:28 AM
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Isnt this one officially a 'teaser' and not a trailer? Not that it matters.

I thought Rogue One was phenomenal. TFA was good....at the time and I think a good way to restart the whole franchise again. The Last Jedi could be and I hope it will be fantastic. For whatever reason, I don't have a great feeling about the young Han Solo movie in production.

RO really put together a lot of pieces and I enjoyed the CGI.

Read a few things that they may want to keep on extending out more SW movies even past these three and stand alones.....but may just do so in in trilogies then a break, then another trilogy, etc.
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Old 04-18-17, 02:36 PM
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Some pretty highly recognized authors, sales from 500,000 to 15 million a novel with 160 million total and their plotlines were Lucas approved but if someone wants to call the books "fan fiction," it's their sandy semantics in their ears I suppose. Just a pissing contest waiting to happen.

Yeah as I posted, I understand why also. Easier money. Is the story as good? I'd be unfair to judge after just one movie but I suspect this being Disney and they've made clear their loyalty is only to the bottom line, is going to be a long drug out story.
Is is just that now. Like i said, blame George. He pulled the rug out from under them.

If they were considered canon, I'd probably be furiously reading them all right now to catch up, like I did everything Tolkien after the Hobbit came out
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Old 04-18-17, 03:22 PM
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So the dividing line is "Return of the Jedi?" Everything before is still "canon" and everything after is up to Disney?

I guess like the Han Solo movie, there are still things that can be "filled in." Also things in (more) ancient history that connect to the games. I'd like to see a movie with HK-47.
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So the dividing line is "Return of the Jedi?" Everything before is still "canon" and everything after is up to Disney?

I guess like the Han Solo movie, there are still things that can be "filled in." Also things in (more) ancient history that connect to the games. I'd like to see a movie with HK-47.
I have no idea where you got that.

I think it's all out. The books. Droids cartoons. Christmas specials. Tartakovsky's cartoon. Clone wars cartoons.

I don't watch rebels so I can't say one way or the other. It's Disney so I'm guessing it's canon? No idea.
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See if this helps...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_canon

The original 3. The prequels. Clone Wars movie & TV show. The sequel trilogies. Rogue one, Han Solo & third stand-alone. Rebels TV show. Those are all in as "official canon".

Then a bunch of new novels, comics, etc.

And whatever else happens in the future.

Any of the older novels, etc. are considered "Expanded Universe". I have read a couple of books. Not bad but depending on the author, could be quite different.
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Old 04-18-17, 04:13 PM
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See if this helps...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_Wars_canon

The original 3. The prequels. Clone Wars movie & TV show. The sequel trilogies. Rogue one, Han Solo & third stand-alone. Rebels TV show. Those are all in as "official canon".

Then a bunch of new novels, comics, etc.

And whatever else happens in the future.

Any of the older novels, etc. are considered "Expanded Universe". I have read a couple of books. Not bad but depending on the author, could be quite different.
I think that nails it. Thanks! I'd miss the "Thrawn" canon, which was set after "Return." Hope they can work that in but Jade might be the hitch. I can't imagine any problem with another of my favorites, "Tales From Mos Eisley."

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So the dividing line is "Return of the Jedi-->?<--" Everything before is still "canon" and everything after is up to Disney-->?<---
It was a question, not a statement.

The reason I asked about that timeline specifically was because it would seem difficult for Disney to exclude what had been shown in a previous movie (without pulling a Star Trek) and the books set in those eras were supposedly in line with movie "canon." Thanks.

With the Han Solo movie, I'm waiting for the uproar that Princess Leia isn't getting equal treatment.
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I think that nails it. Thanks! I'd miss the "Thrawn" canon, which was set after "Return." Hope they can work that in but Jade might be the hitch. I can't imagine any problem with another of my favorites, "Tales From Mos Eisley."


It was a question, not a statement.

The reason I asked about that timeline specifically was because it would seem difficult for Disney to exclude what had been shown in a previous movie (without pulling a Star Trek) and the books set in those eras were supposedly in line with movie "canon." Thanks.

With the Han Solo movie, I'm waiting for the uproar that Princess Leia isn't getting equal treatment.

for what its worth, Seasons 3 and 4 of Star Wars Rebels is using Thrawn. You might enjoy that.

Makes him canon, though not necessarily the books.
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for what its worth, Seasons 3 and 4 of Star Wars Rebels is using Thrawn. You might enjoy that.

Makes him canon, though not necessarily the books.
I've been watching thanks and yes I have enjoyed. You?

Watching the first few seasons of Clones, not being a big cartoon watcher, I was impressed how relevant the stories were to both the story and relationships and how intelligently written the characters. Same Rebels, though less on relationships IMO. Next season I'm hoping will start to make strong connections to Rogue One and Hope.

Ultimately though, don't you think there's a lot of questions that Rebel's fans don't look forward to having answered? There's a lot of characters that would seemingly need to disappear. Writers seemed to recognize this when plotting Rogue One. They had to intro characters to try and keep it fresh knowing full well, the characters were doomed.
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I've been watching thanks and yes I have enjoyed. You?

Watching the first few seasons of Clones, not being a big cartoon watcher, I was impressed how relevant the stories were to both the story and relationships and how intelligently written the characters. Same Rebels, though less on relationships IMO. Next season I'm hoping will start to make strong connections to Rogue One and Hope.

Ultimately though, don't you think there's a lot of questions that Rebel's fans don't look forward to having answered? There's a lot of characters that would seemingly need to disappear. Writers seemed to recognize this when plotting Rogue One. They had to intro characters to try and keep it fresh knowing full well, the characters were doomed.

I haven't read the Thrawn Trilogy, but I've really enjoyed him in the show. They've done a good job of making him an incredibly skilled, strategic mastermind.

I'm currently reading Catalyst, which is the Rogue One prequel book.
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I'll look for it. Thanks
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I've been watching thanks and yes I have enjoyed. You?

Watching the first few seasons of Clones, not being a big cartoon watcher, I was impressed how relevant the stories were to both the story and relationships and how intelligently written the characters. Same Rebels, though less on relationships IMO. Next season I'm hoping will start to make strong connections to Rogue One and Hope.

Ultimately though, don't you think there's a lot of questions that Rebel's fans don't look forward to having answered? There's a lot of characters that would seemingly need to disappear. Writers seemed to recognize this when plotting Rogue One. They had to intro characters to try and keep it fresh knowing full well, the characters were doomed.
No doubt. There are many that need to go.

This last season will be fun to watch as it will be on right around the release of the next movie.
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Bit of snore for a trailer. That Thor one wasn't though.


Agreed...this was pretty meh...as opposed to the Thor trailer, which killed.
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