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Old 04-08-17, 11:57 AM
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Did the Belmont principal notify Baker when she notified the Dunbar principal about grade that afternoon? Why was the meeting about the grade during 1st quarter?
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Old 04-08-17, 12:11 PM
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Did the Belmont principal notify Baker when she notified the Dunbar principal about grade that afternoon? Why was the meeting about the grade during 1st quarter?
Dunbar forfeited 2 games for using an ineligible player; there is some dispute on who said what and when; and some of it is an effort to make themselves look better, whether it is true or not, the OHSAA didn't make a determination.
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Old 04-08-17, 12:18 PM
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The dumb AD was trying to administer interscholastic athletic competition in a fair and equitable manner to give another public school a chance to make the playoffs without first holding a secret vote among all the member schools to level the playing field.
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Old 04-08-17, 12:23 PM
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Wow
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Old 04-08-17, 01:26 PM
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Chew on this, there was NEVER a chance that 2 DPS schools would make it to the playoffs. Belmont HAD to win to get in, Dunbar HAD to win to get in. Baker didn't realize or forgot they were going to have to forfeit week 9 vs. Taft.
Dunbar probably would have won without the ineligible player, would have forfeited week 9 and made the playoffs along with Princeton (DII) and Piqua (DIII). Would they have forfeited week 9? Yes, Principal knew the rules at that point. People forget that at the HS level the PRINCIPAL is the Boss of the AD and Coach (don't believe that, remember it's the Principals who vote on everything not the ADs). Baker should have done what he does best, nothing.
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Old 04-08-17, 01:49 PM
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Wow.....according to the Oct 31, OHSAA appeals hearing:

Coach Alfred Powell Sr. testifies that at the start of halftime Mr. Baker had him sent a message for him to meet him immediately. Powell Sr. says he was the first person Baker told a mistake had occurred, that he and his mentor in Columbus had miscalculated the player grades. That the player was indeed ineligible, Coach Powell Sr. asked Mr. Baker how you could make a mistake like that? Mr. Baker response, I didn’t realize Dunbar was on a block schedule. Coach Powell Sr. testifies Baker says just lose the game and both teams will make the playoffs. Powell tells Mr. Baker we will have to forfeit the Taft game as well that makes us 7 - 3. Baker response no way, because there’s a five-game grace period. Powell Sr. tells him that is not correct because Dunbar played Taft on Friday night, not Thursday night. According to Powell Sr. Mr. Baker said if Belmont wins this game I won’t report the Taft game. Powell Sr. says, so you what us to lose? Baker, you have to do something. How could you guys not know your star player isn't eligible; that's like not knowing your point guard isn't eligible.
Powell Sr. testifies that he informs Baker that his Principal, Ms. Phillips, Pullen, Darran or himself will never allow that. Powell Sr. testifies that just before the start of the 3rd quarter he informed Darran and Pullen what Baker had proposed, so the both of them immediately rushed to Baker office to confirm Powell Sr. statements and to confront Mr. Baker.
Pete Pullen, Darran Powell, Dunbar’s Principal Crystal Phillips, and Belmont's Principal Melanie S. Walter, (via writing) testified that Mr. Baker indeed implied while in his office at the start of the 3rd quarter, Dunbar should lose the game.
Darran Powell becomes upset with Mr. Baker, and they exchange heated words. Darran Powell tells Mr. Baker if you want my kids to lose this game then you tell them yourself because I won’t. Baker says to Darran you’re going to make this thing get ugly. Darran is then escorted back to the field by Ms. Phillips.
Mr. Baker testifies and adamantly denies ever discussing these issues with Coach Alfred Powell Sr. He denies telling Pullen the player was ever eligible to participate in the game.
Ms. Phillips testifies that she told members of her staff not to play the player until further notice. Unbeknownst to Ms. Phillips, Mr. Baker was working on trying to restore the player eligibility. Once the player entered the game, Ms. Phillips sent a text message to Coach Powell Sr. asking who allowed him to play. Powell Sr. texted her back I don’t know, I’m in the press box not on the sideline, only Baker could have given Pullen or Darran the green light. Ms. Phillips text Powell Sr. saying “Mark Baker just F*%#* us!

More to come......
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Old 04-08-17, 02:05 PM
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Did the Belmont principal notify Baker when she notified the Dunbar principal about grade that afternoon? Why was the meeting about the grade during 1st quarter?
According to both transcripts DPS & OHSAA Baker was made aware of a possible grade issue before 4pm. When Dunbar arrived at Welcome stadium at 5:20pm baker immediately asked Darran Powell for the player report card.The meeting took place because Mr.Baker told Pullen that he wanted to double check on the issue in spite of the concerns of both principals. Baker contradicted himself with his TV interview.
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Old 04-08-17, 02:46 PM
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I have two questions.

1. Why would the Dunbar coach(Powell) question the players eligibility to Baker if he was told by the principal not to play the kid?

2. How can Baker become a district A.D. making at least 80k per year and not know how to calculate grades to determine a players eligibility?

Seems that they (Baker and Powell) have both been misleading in what actually happened. Glad my kids don't attend DPS
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Old 04-08-17, 03:46 PM
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According to both transcripts DPS & OHSAA Baker was made aware of a possible grade issue before 4pm. When Dunbar arrived at Welcome stadium at 5:20pm baker immediately asked Darran Powell for the player report card.The meeting took place because Mr.Baker told Pullen that he wanted to double check on the issue in spite of the concerns of both principals. Baker contradicted himself with his TV interview.
Past my bedtime. What did Baker say on TV. He usually tries to be as visible as possible when at Welcome (look at me) so he is saying he didn't talk to any of these people? He is crazy then.
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Old 04-08-17, 03:47 PM
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Also if Dunbar was told the kid was ineligible why did he even have equipment there?
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Old 04-08-17, 03:51 PM
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Think that was just a communication breakdown and the coaches didn't find out until at Welcome. Lot of happens on Friday at a HS so who knows why things were or were not relayed. Key was is was communicated BEFORE the game and BB (Before Baker).
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Old 04-08-17, 03:53 PM
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Lots of crap happens on Friday at a HS so who knows why things were or were not relayed. Key was it was communicated BEFORE the game and BB (Before Baker). Sorry, do have some grammar skills.
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Old 04-08-17, 04:30 PM
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Groundhog that's where we think different on this. No way Dunbar coaches didn't find out to until they got to the stadium about the kid. If it was reported that late to where Dunbar didn't find out until they got to Welcome something really isn't right somewhere. We keep looking past the source of it all WHO FOUND OUT AND HOW WAS IT FOUND OUT? What were the intial lconversations after it was communicated if Baker found out after the fact?
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Old 04-08-17, 04:49 PM
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Rumors were circulating in the city during that week. As testified, Belmont Principal looked up grades (all Administrators have this ability) and sent screen shot to Dunbar Principal in the afternoon (no idea exactly when). That's why I'm saying the Dunbar Principal MAY have not seen it till later in the afternoon and MAY have had trouble confirming or getting word to coaches. That's my take.
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Old 04-08-17, 07:18 PM
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If it was rumors all week no way I believe the principal from Belmont checked that late on game day. That means Belmont heard the rumor but waited until game day to check grade??
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Old 04-08-17, 07:38 PM
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Doesn't mean the Principal or even Coach White heard the rumors. You really think a Principal has an idea what is being said among the kids or coaches outside Belmont, when she heard it or even believed it. I believe both Principals acted in good faith when THEY KNEW about the situation. Note they are not accused or considered part of the problem. Hip-Hop has done a GREAT job of summary of 2 different investigations and the only two names that keep popping up are Powell and Baker. If you are saying Belmont is part of this "conspiracy" to get 2 teams in, then you gotta believe Belmont was "conspiring" to screw Dunbar and Baker because again, there was no way 2 DPS schools could get in.
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Old 04-08-17, 07:47 PM
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I wonder with the Powell throwing baker under the bus if they will still be the coaches at Dunbar, because he has the final say because he is still the AD. So all this mess is not over. If he don't keep them like I been hearing then them kids are going to transfer
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Old 04-08-17, 09:16 PM
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Ground hog you stated rumors were circulated all week in response to me asking who found out. So I don't know what a principal may or may not hear. Nor am I suggesting a conspiracy like you keep defending. But it seems you only want me to look at Dunbar when they are not the only school involved. Whoever found out about the grades and reported it should be able to connect a lot of dots to the story! But once again I'm only responding to what you said about rumors all week then the Belmont principal checking grades at that point. If the rumor didn't make her check grades what did? Its not at all about Belmont screwing Dunbar, but the principal from Belmont has a lot of reasons to want to see her school I'm the playoffs! But if you're saying there was no way two city schools could get in where would Baker get the idea that they could?
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Old 04-08-17, 11:21 PM
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I wonder with the Powell throwing baker under the bus if they will still be the coaches at Dunbar, because he has the final say because he is still the AD. So all this mess is not over. If he don't keep them like I been hearing then them kids are going to transfer
Great point, after reading both OHSAA reports Baker has to do his damnedest to get rid of the Powell's and Pullen if he wants to save his on before this OHSAA report goes public, believe me when I say IMO Baker can't stay, I wonder how DPS & Baker is going to spend this.
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Old 04-08-17, 11:52 PM
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http://wdtn.com/2017/04/07/dayton-pu...ic-misconduct/

Baker responded to all that is going on. Still denies telling Dunbar to throw the game. In the article that first came out, he was quoted saying that he did tell them to throw the game. Hmmmm. If I'm DPS, He is fired at the end of the year. You will have a lot of pissed off parents etc. if he keeps his job. Even though it didnt effect kids directly, what happens if this happens again? DPS is saying they trust him to run a clean show. Unbelievable!

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Old 04-09-17, 07:47 AM
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Connect the Dots

Ground hog you stated rumors were circulated all week in response to me asking who found out. So I don't know what a principal may or may not hear. Nor am I suggesting a conspiracy like you keep defending. But it seems you only want me to look at Dunbar when they are not the only school involved. Whoever found out about the grades and reported it should be able to connect a lot of dots to the story! But once again I'm only responding to what you said about rumors all week then the Belmont principal checking grades at that point. If the rumor didn't make her check grades what did? Its not at all about Belmont screwing Dunbar, but the principal from Belmont has a lot of reasons to want to see her school I'm the playoffs! But if you're saying there was no way two city schools could get in where would Baker get the idea that they could?
1. No idea who or how someone heard about the grade. Heck could be the kid telling someone I failed a class and might be ineligible.
2. You realize some of this is after the fact such as kids saying or we had heard about this earlier or coaches at other Dayton schools saying same thing.
3. Almost everyone on Yappi looks at Joe Eitel and/or Drew Pasteur and the math is there (and math don't lie) that there was no way for 2 DPS schools to get it based on points. Can't read Baker's mind but if he can't figure a grade maybe he can't figure Harbin Points either.
The only thing Belmont is "guilty" of is their Principal checks the grades (after I assume finally hearing a rumor) on Friday am and sends a screen shot to Dunbar Principal. After that its all Dunbar/Baker show.
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Old 04-09-17, 09:18 AM
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Here is a link to an interesting interview with Tim Stried of the OHSAA on Dayton Sports Scene. The Dayton Public School issue is approx 9 minutes long.

https://soundcloud.com/dayton-radio
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Old 04-09-17, 10:54 AM
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Someone put the idea of two teams getting in to Baker thoughts. If it were rumors all week no way would I ever believe the so called rumor made it to Belmont on game day! You say after the fact but once again you brought up the rumors after I asked who knew in the beginning. Someone is trying to deflect attention from getting to the real root of the issue which is to me the cover up. If you think about who had the most to lose vs who had the most to gain Dunbar, Belmont, or Baker? Baker could've and should've told the state when he found out about Taft game. Had he did that he would not be in trouble and Dunbar would've beat Belmont and got in. Had the ineligible player been reported even at 12 on game day the state would've made the choice to play kid or sit him. But if you keep saying now that two teams could never get in then it really makes sense that someone led Baker to believe two teams can! That could be why he is fighting to the end! He still wrong and deserve to be fired but it never seemed like he was the mastermind to me.
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Old 04-09-17, 11:15 AM
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Thank you Blue Streak for posting that interview
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Old 04-09-17, 11:43 AM
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someone put the idea of two teams getting in to baker thoughts. If it were rumors all week no way would i ever believe the so called rumor made it to belmont on game day! You say after the fact but once again you brought up the rumors after i asked who knew in the beginning. Someone is trying to deflect attention from getting to the real root of the issue which is to me the cover up. If you think about who had the most to lose vs who had the most to gain dunbar, belmont, or baker? Baker could've and should've told the state when he found out about taft game. Had he did that he would not be in trouble and dunbar would've beat belmont and got in. Had the ineligible player been reported even at 12 on game day the state would've made the choice to play kid or sit him. But if you keep saying now that two teams could never get in then it really makes sense that someone led baker to believe two teams can! That could be why he is fighting to the end! He still wrong and deserve to be fired but it never seemed like he was the mastermind to me.
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Old 04-09-17, 12:42 PM
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When you imply Belmont had the most to gain which seems to imply Belmont was behind it, you are wrong. If Belmont wanted it easy it would've never said anything about the player until after the game and the gotcha would've got them in.
If you think there is a mastermind besides Baker it is either his mentor and someone else in Administration. Belmont actually was trying to help. If the OHSAA thought that way don't you think that would come up some where. Hip Hop has done the reading do you feel like Spread Attack because I just surprised anyone thinks Baker is sooo dumb he couldn't pull it off. Leaves Trotwood and Middletown under a cloud, it just followed him to DPS.
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Old 04-09-17, 02:18 PM
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If Belmont would've waited until after the game it would've been obvious that they held the information. Also if they were helping state they never would've accepted the playoff invite. Piqua was 9th and it would've put them right in. If you heard Mark Neal interview the guy from the state basically says they couldn't do what they wanted because they have no jurisdiction to hire or fire administration. Any other penalties would've hurt the kids who aren't at fault so they really had no choice. But the state knew it would take care of itself once they released the report. They said they expect certain things to happen as a result. But I agree with Neal when he said no way Piqua or Troy is helping each other get into the playoffs! Has to be more to it and I agree with that. Why would he have to fire Pullen and Powell and risk a mass transfer if the state ruling was the end of it? You can't divide the 10,000 dollars the city has to pay to the schools who either missed out or missed a home game to cover what they lost financially, so why wouldn't they all just move on from the slap in the wrist. To fire them means he is protecting more than him. Maybe someone from the administration with the school board thought it would be smart to have both teams in who knows. But I can't imagine it being good if he fired Dunbar staff.
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Old 04-09-17, 06:55 PM
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If Belmont would've waited until after the game it would've been obvious that they held the information. Also if they were helping state they never would've accepted the playoff invite. Piqua was 9th and it would've put them right in. If you heard Mark Neal interview the guy from the state basically says they couldn't do what they wanted because they have no jurisdiction to hire or fire administration. Any other penalties would've hurt the kids who aren't at fault so they really had no choice. But the state knew it would take care of itself once they released the report. They said they expect certain things to happen as a result. But I agree with Neal when he said no way Piqua or Troy is helping each other get into the playoffs! Has to be more to it and I agree with that. Why would he have to fire Pullen and Powell and risk a mass transfer if the state ruling was the end of it? You can't divide the 10,000 dollars the city has to pay to the schools who either missed out or missed a home game to cover what they lost financially, so why wouldn't they all just move on from the slap in the wrist. To fire them means he is protecting more than him. Maybe someone from the administration with the school board thought it would be smart to have both teams in who knows. But I can't imagine it being good if he fired Dunbar staff.
I agree, if Baker fire the Dunbar staff, they're gonna be free to take the story to the next level, and believe me from what I read in the OHSAA transcripts there's another level. If I was Baker I would get everyone into a room and give them the game plan. Baker keep your enemies close to you.
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Old 04-09-17, 07:04 PM
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How do you get access to transcript from state?
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Old 04-09-17, 07:07 PM
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The next level is what I'm talking about. Maybe no one from Belmont is apart of next level BUT SOMEONE IS! Its to obvious. I don't see Dunbar getting in a room to go over game plan now. They have been trampled by the bus a few times now.

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