State Duals

[braves1431]

Anyone know when they will be releasing the seeds?

[wlpdrpat]

Originally Posted by braves1431

Anyone know when they will be releasing the seeds?

In past years it was the Tuesday before State. However, in those years the Regional was completed on a Wednesday giving them 6 days to get the seeds together. This year it may be later in the week given that the Regionals were on the Saturday.

Best guess is late Tuesday or early Wednesday.

However, they may wait for Borofan's report before releasing. JK

I understand from a reliable source that the seeds are based on the number of returning state champs, then top 4 placers, then placers, then state qualifiers, then alternates, then district qualifiers, common opponents, and finally head to head. Each of these are assigned descending values and applied to each team, then the teams are seeded in order of their points.

As such, it should be fairly easy to compute or estimate the seeds based on the details found on jakeswrestling.com.

[braves1431]

Thanks for the info!

[MPhillips]

Originally Posted by wlpdrpat

As such, it should be fairly easy to compute or estimate the seeds based on the details found on jakeswrestling.com.

So...when will you be posting the seeds?

[white_chocolate]

I think that was the old way, when teams only qualified based on post-season results from the year before. I think now they have a committee that votes on seeds this week.

[Latman]

My predictions. 3 and 4 could swap.

1. LaSalle
2. St. Ed’s
3. Brecksville
4. Elyria
5. Wadsworth
6. Mason
7. Dublin Coffman
8. Lancaster

[wlpdrpat]

Originally Posted by MPhillips

So...when will you be posting the seeds?

My best estimate based on the criteria as I understand it:

D1:
(LaSalle & St. Ed's are even on placers and qualifiers but LaSalle just edges them based on placement of placers)

1. LaSalle
2. St. Ed’s
3. Wadsworth
4. Brecksville
5. Elyria
6. Mason
7. Lancaster
8. Dublin Coffman

D2:

1. Graham
2. Aurora
3. Beaver
4. Indian Valley
5. West Holmes
6. Ross
7. Perkins
8. London

D3:

1. Genoa
2. Rootstown
3. Milan Edison
4. Crestwood
5. Blanchester
6. Versailles
7. Pleasant
8. River Valley

Blanchester & Versailles are even on criteria. Pleasant & River Valley are even on criteria.

[roughedge]

Originally Posted by Latman

My predictions. 3 and 4 could swap.

1. LaSalle
2. St. Ed’s
3. Brecksville
4. Elyria
5. Wadsworth
6. Mason
7. Dublin Coffman
8. Lancaster

I would swap 3 & 4 seeing Elyria out placed Brecksville at Ironman & Beast of the East. While Brecksville finished higher than Elyria at its home tournament by only a half of a point.

[wlpdrpat]

Originally Posted by roughedge

I would swap 3 & 4 seeing Elyria out placed Brecksville at Ironman & Beast of the East. While Brecksville finished higher than Elyria at its home tournament by only a half of a point.

Tournament strength and duals strength are different animals. Duals strength includes the ability to bump up where necessary and the depth to cover.

[roughedge]

Originally Posted by wlpdrpat

Tournament strength and duals strength are different animals. Duals strength includes the ability to bump up where necessary and the depth to cover.

Elyria is ranked higher nationally also

[WrestlingLIFE17]

Beaver local will be seeded higher than Indian Valley

[gableminded]

D2 top 4
Graham
Beaver
Aurora
Perkins


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[GWF]

Originally Posted by roughedge

I would swap 3 & 4 seeing Elyria out placed Brecksville at Ironman & Beast of the East. While Brecksville finished higher than Elyria at its home tournament by only a half of a point.

Looks like Brecksville could be the slightly better dual team. Since this is a dual tournament, I would think that’s what they will be looking at. At the end of the day, one seed gets you a dual with Lasalle and the other a dual with St. Ed. Pick your poison

[chidy]

Originally Posted by GWF

Looks like Brecksville could be the slightly better dual team. Since this is a dual tournament, I would think that’s what they will be looking at. At the end of the day, one seed gets you a dual with Lasalle and the other a dual with St. Ed. Pick your poison

Whoever gets the #4 has no easy match in the quarters as Wadsworth is very very good.

[wlpdrpat]

Originally Posted by WrestlingLIFE17

Beaver local will be seeded higher than Indian Valley

You are correct. That was a transcription error.

Beaver has 4 returning state qualifiers with 3 placers.
Indian Valley has 4 returning state qualifiers with 1 placer.

[wlpdrpat]

Originally Posted by gableminded

D2 top 4
Graham
Beaver
Aurora
Perkins

Graham - 6SQ/6P
Aurora - 5SQ/4P
Beaver - 4SQ/3P
Indian Valley - 4SQ/1P
West Holmes - 2SQ/2P
Ross - 1SQ/3 Alt
Perkins - 2SQ
London - 0

West Holmes may edge out Indian Valley with the 2 placers, however, Indian Valley has multiple time qualifiers. Perkins may edge out Ross with 2 qualifiers - this one will be very close.

[wlpdrpat]

Originally Posted by braves1431

Anyone know when they will be releasing the seeds?

The official details of when the OHSAA will release the seeds is as follows:

"Pairings will be available Tuesday, February 5, 2:00 PM, on the
OHSAA website."

[speedthatkills]

Originally Posted by wlpdrpat

Graham - 6SQ/6P
Aurora - 5SQ/4P
Beaver - 4SQ/3P
Indian Valley - 4SQ/1P
West Holmes - 2SQ/2P
Ross - 1SQ/3 Alt
Perkins - 2SQ
London - 0

West Holmes may edge out Indian Valley with the 2 placers, however, Indian Valley has multiple time qualifiers. Perkins may edge out Ross with 2 qualifiers - this one will be very close.

As you stated earlier, duals are much different than tournaments. Because of this I would likely slot Ross ahead of West Holmes. Their dual strength speaks for itself making it to the final 4 multiple times despite having a very low seed. They used 21 wrestlers this past weekend to get the matchups they wanted.

[braves1431]

We wrestled both in the dual and I would say West Holmes is definitely better. I have no dog in the fight, just what I saw.

[speedthatkills]

Originally Posted by braves1431

We wrestled both in the dual and I would say West Holmes is definitely better. I have no dog in the fight, just what I saw.

Based on the lineup you saw at that point in the season I would agree. Overall score was closer with Ross than WH. Who knows if we even get to see it though.

[braves1431]

Yes, I guess we will see. Regardless, congratulations to all teams that qualified! Gonna be fun!

[wlpdrpat]

Originally Posted by braves1431

I have no dog in the fight, just what I saw.

Hmmm...you certainly do have a dog in the fight as it very likely determines who your team wrestles in the first round.

Of course, the Ross lineup that you are speaking of is significantly different than the one that wrestled this past weekend.

However, just the 2 forfeits shifting in Ross' favor would have been sufficient to tie the match vs IV. Then just one more of the several close matches shifting in the other direction and voila.

Of course, the road to the finals this year isn't through the top half of the bracket as you can bet that Graham will have that side covered. The real dog fight will be for second.

[speedthatkills]

Originally Posted by braves1431

Yes, I guess we will see. Regardless, congratulations to all teams that qualified! Gonna be fun!

Yep, at this point it is all speculation anyway. Would be interesting to be a fly on the wall when the discussions are had. Seems like they seed based on tournament potential and not dual strength which is a shame. Either way it will be another great weekend. Lots of detractors about the event but I enjoy it every time.

[braves1431]

[QUOTE=wlpdrpat;7246455]Hmmm...you certainly do have a dog in the fight as it very likely determines who your team wrestles in the first round.

I meant I don’t have a dog in the fight as far as who deserves the higher seed. Makes no difference whatsoever to me and I wasn’t aware of the seeding criteria until someone posted it. As far as that dual being close, it obviously was not. I definitely do not mean any disrespect to the Ross team. They are good wrestlers. But Indian Valley beat them by 24 with three backups in the lineup. I don’t know who is usually in Ross’ lineup. I’m sure it will be different, but IV’s will also be improved. I am assuming you are with Ross but either way good luck at state! You guys definitely have a nice team.

[mailman112]

Speaking for D1 only. I think most of us with some knowledge of wrestling could have predicted to 8 teams. Yes, anything can happen. The number of FF was shocking. Frankly why enter?

I know I will get slammed (like normal for expressing my views) but I am not a fan of the state duals. Last week Chidy brought up why the "old" system where returning state points doesn't work anymore. He is right. Transfers (maybe we have that under control now and will see less and less of kids jumping schools or coaches recruiting kids) and incoming Freshman studs make a difference. I don't have an answer but I guess we have what we have in place for now. I do like the 1 day event.

[braves1431]

I love the duals but I don’t know why you would get slammed for having an opinion against it ��

[Latman]

Originally Posted by mailman112

Speaking for D1 only. I think most of us with some knowledge of wrestling could have predicted to 8 teams. Yes, anything can happen. The number of FF was shocking. Frankly why enter?

I know I will get slammed (like normal for expressing my views) but I am not a fan of the state duals. Last week Chidy brought up why the "old" system where returning state points doesn't work anymore. He is right. Transfers (maybe we have that under control now and will see less and less of kids jumping schools or coaches recruiting kids) and incoming Freshman studs make a difference. I don't have an answer but I guess we have what we have in place for now. I do like the 1 day event.

I agree that most could have predicted the winners of the regions (specifically D1). I believe only one D1 final was within a match of going the other way Reg 7 (Mason 37 Harrison 31) (Baumspage has the wrong score at 41-27). If that is the case, with most knowing, this is in large part based off of this years results, should we take the rankings of a Bucksman, Boro, etc. and pick the top 16 and have a 1 day team state event? Also knowing only the top 3 or 4 have a chance at winning it most years...

Or, is it beneficial to have the regions and invite all to the regional so they can experience the atmosphere and get a match or 2 in, knowing they don't have a chance to win it?

I can see where a 1 day event to settle the top 16 would be advantageous from a scheduling standpoint, but I also see where all teams having the experience of a regional would be appealing to some. Thoughts?

[mailman112]

Latman I don't have the answer. I would like to go back to the old system. Returning state points. Chidy brought up good points but to me, that was the best way. 1 day top 8 teams. IF and this is a BIG IF, if the transfer rule holds back some of these transfers the only part missing would be incoming STUD Freshman. In reality, how many place at state? My guess is very few in D1 (except lower weights 06-20) I may be wrong. I'm not sure anyone has a plan in place that everyone would accept.

[gableminded]

Aurora and beaver local will be very interesting some big match ups at 106, 138, 145, 152 and 160. The winner of that will at least make it interesting with SPG.


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[Stranger2101]

Beavers win it all!! Lol !! good luck to all the kids coaches and teams!