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Old 01-17-18, 04:02 PM
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The Astros just won the World Series. They finished the 2017 season with the 15th highest payroll and came in about $2.5 million below the league average.
YES! And this is why giving position players huge contracts does not guarantee success!
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Old 01-17-18, 04:08 PM
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You just said only 5 teams can be competitive and can be competitive because they have money, dumbazz. You were wrong, again.
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Old 01-17-18, 04:23 PM
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YES! And this is why giving position players huge contracts does not guarantee success!
^ Duh. Nothing guarantees success. Ever. But your statement is an oversimplification and not very precise. Questions for you:

- you mentioned 'position players'. Are you suggesting that teams give huge contracts to pitchers to guarantee success? Because I would say pitchers get injured and have off-years more frequently than position players.

- or are you suggesting that no one should get huge contracts because it does not guarantee success?


Nothing guarantees success. However... Say you have two choices:

(1) pay $300M each to Stanton, Harper, Trout, Votto, Machado, Kershaw, Kluber, Posey, etc.

(2) Start over and draft/develop 19 year-olds and hopefully you get Altuve / Correa / Springer in a couple years.

Which of these two choices gives you the higher likelihood of success? (1) obviously. I realize no team has the money to chase option (1), but do you agree that it increases your odds?

Teams like LAD, NYY, CHC, etc can partially chase option (1), so they do, because it makes winning more likely. Teams like the Reds need to be much more careful with their $$$.
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Old 01-17-18, 07:30 PM
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Correct - they did it right. As opposed to the Reds, who have tried to stay somewhat competitive during their rebuild by hanging on to expensive veterans longer than they should have. Take all the pain at one time, like the Astros did, rather than drag it out over a decade...

The Astros day will come, when all those good young guys want to get their big veteran contract. They will either need to pay or do a "Marlins" tear down. But at least they are having their day in the spotlight.

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Old 01-18-18, 10:09 AM
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^ Duh. Nothing guarantees success. Ever. But your statement is an oversimplification and not very precise. Questions for you:

- you mentioned 'position players'. Are you suggesting that teams give huge contracts to pitchers to guarantee success? Because I would say pitchers get injured and have off-years more frequently than position players.

- or are you suggesting that no one should get huge contracts because it does not guarantee success?


Nothing guarantees success. However... Say you have two choices:

(1) pay $300M each to Stanton, Harper, Trout, Votto, Machado, Kershaw, Kluber, Posey, etc.

(2) Start over and draft/develop 19 year-olds and hopefully you get Altuve / Correa / Springer in a couple years.

Which of these two choices gives you the higher likelihood of success? (1) obviously. I realize no team has the money to chase option (1), but do you agree that it increases your odds?

Teams like LAD, NYY, CHC, etc can partially chase option (1), so they do, because it makes winning more likely. Teams like the Reds need to be much more careful with their $$$.
Thanks Captain Obvious. Of course small market teams need to watch their $$$'s. The Astros plan was good, and they were partly lucky. Even high draft picks don't always work out. The Astros hit a home run with Altuve, Correa and Springer.

And it also takes some luck to win a series. The Nationals were probably the best team in baseball last year. They had hitting and pitching. But they lost in the playoffs, it happens, that's baseball. They may never get that close again.
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Old 01-18-18, 02:53 PM
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Thanks Captain Obvious. Of course small market teams need to watch their $$$'s. The Astros plan was good, and they were partly lucky. Even high draft picks don't always work out. The Astros hit a home run with Altuve, Correa and Springer.

And it also takes some luck to win a series. The Nationals were probably the best team in baseball last year. They had hitting and pitching. But they lost in the playoffs, it happens, that's baseball. They may never get that close again.
The Dodgers and the Astros were 1 and 2 in records all season long. At no point were the Nationals the best team.
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Old 01-18-18, 02:57 PM
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14Red's eye test said they were so you're wrong, IndianDad.
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Old 01-18-18, 03:44 PM
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Old 01-18-18, 10:09 PM
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C. Trent Rosecrans is leaving the Enquirer to join The Athletic. Still going to do the Reds beat

Might have to get a subscription, not bad for $30/year
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Old 01-19-18, 12:43 PM
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C. Trent Rosecrans is leaving the Enquirer to join The Athletic. Still going to do the Reds beat

Might have to get a subscription, not bad for $30/year
Never heard of The Athletic. I'd have a hard time paying for something like that, with all the other info on the web.
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Nothing solid, but John Fay has stated several times the Reds may want to consider bringing a guy like former Cardinal Lance Lynn in to man a starting spot. Thoughts?
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Old 01-19-18, 12:47 PM
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C. Trent Rosecrans is leaving the Enquirer to join The Athletic. Still going to do the Reds beat

Might have to get a subscription, not bad for $30/year
Are they gonna cover all Cincinnati sports now? That would be great.
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Are they gonna cover all Cincinnati sports now? That would be great.
Are you referring to the Enquirer or the Atlantic?
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Old 01-19-18, 01:57 PM
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Are you referring to the Enquirer or the Atlantic?
Iím not referring to either of those publications.
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Old 01-19-18, 04:36 PM
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Iím not referring to either of those publications.
Athletic?
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Old 01-22-18, 11:19 AM
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For those unaware, or afraid to use Google: https://theathletic.com/

They have 8-10 cities currently covered including Cleveland. Growing each month. They cover the NHL extensively and are growing other sports very rapidly. They hire great columnists from metro newspapers, since those guys are seeing the writing on the wall, and the newspaper industry will be dead soon.

They snagged Aaron Portzline from the Columbus Dispatch a while back; he is an excellent writer covering my Columbus Blue Jackets beat and also OSU. They currently list both of those teams under Cleveland, which is a big insult to the best city in Ohio, but that's another discussion.

Really good writers provide excellent content at The Athletic.
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Old 01-22-18, 11:38 AM
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Ok the million dollar question, how do these sites sustain themselves other than subscribers?
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Old 01-22-18, 01:53 PM
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Ok the million dollar question, how do these sites sustain themselves other than subscribers?
Paid advertising
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Old 01-23-18, 12:43 PM
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Ok the million dollar question, how do these sites sustain themselves other than subscribers?
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Paid advertising
Actually, no. Here is a letter from the Editor of The Athletic. It explains why they have a paid subscriber model. https://theathletic.com/40690/ They do not show ANY outside ads. It's great.

Journalists working for newspapers are losing their jobs. Dying business model. Journalists working for "free" websites that rely on paid advertising are really hurting too, because a couple of the giants like Google command high per-view rates but nobody else can.

So they are pay-to-read. You can get a free trial, and if you like it, pay, or don't. But they are excellent, and growing. Started in Toronto on the NHL, grew across Canada, and now capturing US Metro areas also.

Newspapers, magazines, and cable TV all charge subscribers, and also sell ads. What is wrong with charging subscribers on-line, and NOT forcing ads on me? It is the right approach, IMO.
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Old 01-23-18, 01:22 PM
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Yeah, no ads. My brother had a subscription and I probably will at some point too. C Trent is a great writer.
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Old 01-23-18, 02:55 PM
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Many newspaper ate themselves alive with union writers. Same as the auto makers and any other union organization. You overpay for the job once people get into their mid 40's. The job of a sports writer hasn't changed in 30 years, but the labor expense has.
There is no way I would pay for a Reds only blog when I can get Reds news from dozens of different sources. Good luck CTrent.
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Old 01-23-18, 04:06 PM
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You're not paying for just a Reds blog, it's a national site with a lot of good writers covering all the Big 4 sports.
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