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Old 12-10-17, 12:37 AM
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Mum is the word. I hadn't heard that Zanesville applied again. They have applied to the MVL multiple times in the last 10 years.

In the last few years Cambridge, Meadowbrook, and Coshocton have applied to the MVL. MVL did not add any teams. Had not heard anything this year.

Logan and Warren Local have also wanted in the MVL while/since the SEOAL was folding.

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Old 12-10-17, 12:40 AM
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Oh, I have heard that some other leagues have shown some interest in the smaller schools in the MVL.

The ECOL and LCL have sought Tri-Valley for years. TV decision makers do not considered either league stable enough to head to.
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Old 12-11-17, 03:51 PM
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Marietta was part of the Southeastern Ohio Athletic League, which was founded in 1925. It included Vincent Warren, Jackson, Athens, Gallipolis Gallia Academy, Logan, and others. It was a very logical conference, and its demise was quite unfortunate.
Agreed. Ironton I believe joined the SEOAL for awhile in the early 90's right ?

Here is a breakdown of the old Central Ohio League.Marietta was a member until it folded in 1985

*Central Ohio League*

One of the first large-school conferences in Central and East Ohio, its widespread geography led to membership instability through its lifespan.

Cambridge Bobcats (1926–58, to Ohio Valley Athletic Conference 1960)
Coshocton Redskins (1926–61, to Cardinal Conference)
Lancaster Golden Gales (1926–85, to Buckeye Central Conference 1987)
Mount Vernon Yellow Jackets (1926–35, 1945–47, to Central Buckeye League)
Newark Wildcats (1926–85, to Buckeye Central Conference 1987)
Westerville Wildcats (1926–29, to Central Buckeye League)
Zanesville Blue Devils (1926–29, 1931–85, Lash until 1954, to Buckeye Central Conference 1987)
Marietta Tigers (1936–85, to Southeast Ohio Athletic League)
Chillicothe Cavaliers (1941–44, to South Central Ohio League, 1948–76, to Ohio Capital Conference)
Dover Tornadoes (1941–57, to Cardinal Conference 1960)
Ironton Tigers (1963–68, to Southeast Ohio Athletic League)
Upper Arlington Golden Bears (1968–81, to Ohio Capital Conference)
Grove City Greyhounds (1976–81, to Ohio Capital Conference)
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Old 12-11-17, 04:04 PM
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Now, I totally get why Zanesville wants in on this. At only 990 students in grades 9-12, and a city that isn't growing, being in the OCC is a non-starter.

However, they're probably too big for the MVL, LCL, and ECOL. So, this proposed league makes a lot of sense for the Blue Devils.
Zville certainly isn't too big for ECOL which has 2 Divisions:

Scarlet

Cambridge - 234
Dover - 376
Marietta - 344
New Phila - 359
Zanesville - 341

Gray

Coshocton - 170
Meadowbrook - 210
River View - 260

They are only required to play 5 league games a year (4 in Scarlet and 1 in gray).
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Old 12-11-17, 04:13 PM
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Oh, I have heard that some other leagues have shown some interest in the smaller schools in the MVL.

The ECOL and LCL have sought Tri-Valley for years. TV decision makers do not considered either league stable enough to head to.
TV doesn't want to leave MVL and MVL certainly doesn't want TV to leave either..big gate! If TV would have joined ECOL, it would have been much more stable:

Scarlet

Tri-Valley
New Phila
Dover
Zanesville
Marietta

Gray

Cambridge
Meadowbrook
Coshocton
River View
Claymont

Claymont may have stayed w/ this..of course Claymont is the only one that has officially left so far but Dover and NP have expressed interest in leaving over the last few years.
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Old 12-11-17, 04:36 PM
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Agreed. Ironton I believe joined the SEOAL for awhile in the early 90's right ?

The Southeastern Ohio Athletic League (SEOAL) was formed in 1925, and until 2017 was the oldest continually operating non-city league in Ohio.

The original members were:

Athens (left in 2008)
Gallipolis (Gallia Academy) (left 2016)
Ironton (left from 1928-1967; joined from 1967-1985; joined from 2006-2010)
Jackson (left in 2017)
Logan
Nelsonville (closed in 1967; consolidated into Nelsonville-York)
Portsmouth (left from 1928-2006, joined from 2006-2015)
Wellston (left in 1982)

Other members:
Pomeroy (1926-1967; consolidated into Meigs HS)
New Boston Glenwood (1926-1937)
Middleport (1929-1967; consolidated into Meigs HS)
Meigs HS (1967-1983)
Nelsonville-York (1967-1970)
Waverly (1970-1982)
Marietta (1985-2011)
Warren Local (joined in 1986)
River Valley (Gallia County) (1994-2002)
Point Pleasant (WV) (1996-2004)
Chillicothe (2006-2013)
Zanesville (2006-2009)


The league had zero membership changes from 1937-1966. In 1966 Nelsonville HS consolidated into Nelsonville-York while Middleport and Pomeroy consolidated into Meigs HS. Ironton rejoined to bring membership back to eight teams.

Waverly replaced Nelsonville-York in 1970.

By 1985, former members Meigs, Nelsonville-York, and Wellston had all left for the Tri-Valley Conference along with Ironton (Ohio-Kentucky Athletic Conference) and Waverly (Southern Ohio Conference).

Marietta (from COL) and Warren (from TVC) joined to bring membership back to 6 teams.

In the '90s, River Valley and Point Pleasant joined, but left within 10 years, membership was back to six teams.

In 2006, the league welcomed back Ironton for a third time and Portsmouth for a second time along with Chillicothe and Zanesville. The league was split into two division (North and South) in football.

Athens quickly left after two seasons for the TVC. Zanesville left after three seasons for the ECOL and Marietta followed suit in 2011. Ironton left in 2010.

Chillicothe left for the SCOL in 2013 and Portsmouth left for the Ohio Valley Conference in 2015.

Gallipolis left in 2016 for the OVC, leaving the league with just three members.

Jackson left in 2017 for the newly formed Frontier Athletic Conference.

The league disbanded with only Logan and Warren Local left.


At the end of the day, changing enrollments and travel played equal parts in the league's demise.
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Old 12-12-17, 03:45 PM
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If the OCC votes again I think they will vote to realign which might cause Lancaster and the others to reconsider. I wish they would get rid of six team divisions.
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Old 12-12-17, 09:53 PM
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Face it Lancaster can’t hang with either Pickerington school.
Interesting, because I’m pretty sure Lancaster has beaten Pickerington North three times in the past four years that they’ve played in football.
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Old 12-12-17, 09:56 PM
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Yes Lancaster should be with Canal and Newark and Groveport. Why ? Because those are the only teams they could be up on consistently. Face it Lancaster can’t hang with either Pickerington school. And Pickerington Central winning the state title really just showed how horribly behind the 8 ball they are !!! Thought they would have some balls and try to get better. Guess they are gutless


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Awe...we found a central bench warmer who grew a pair and started running his mouth on a message board.

If you knew anything about Lancaster Football you would know that they have a better record (10-15 lifetime) against the Tigers than any other team in Central Ohio and they aren’t backing down. The 2015 season they swept both Pickerington Schools in football and did it without all that D1 college talent that North and Central have. Lancaster has beat North the last 3 out of 4 seasons.

There is more to conference alignments than football records. Ticket sales, rivalries, and other things come into play. Logan for example brings twice the fans to a game than Central or North. Newark is a rival that Lancaster has played for 116 years.


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Old 12-13-17, 01:23 PM
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Glad to see guys such as lancaster90 and sportfan97, two posters who I've always understood to have more direct connections to Lancaster, bring some of the LHS perspective into this discussion. As someone who lived in Lancaster for 10 years up until very recently, but who has no personal connection to the school, here's what I think on the topic.

Lancaster won't follow through with the threats to leave, in the end. While good points are made that Logan and Newark are longstanding rivals of the Gales who, if they conference, will bring better gate revenues than a Pickerington Central or North, this proposed conference would be of little benefit ultimately to LHS.

For one, football drives the bus. Logan football = BAD; Newark football = BAD; Zanesville football = BAD; Groveport-Madison football = BAD; Teays Valley = program that can't compete with schools of its own size; Canal Winchester = mediocre transition toward playing schools of similar sizes. Reynoldsburg = D1 program that has no aspirations higher than 5-5/6-4. In this proposed league, Lancaster would either have to a) go undefeated in conference play, or b) pray that Logan, Z-Ville, and Newark (all put together) have a record better than 10-20 (metaphorically), to make playoffs in most years. I'm sure the Carpenter family has some strong opinions on this issue alone. Playoff points aside, four-to-five of Lancaster's proposed league compatriots are no match for the current Lancaster program in football.

Travel times (and mileage) may be a concern also for Lancaster City Schools. I would not be surprised if, given the "not another damn dime" ideology that predominates the administration of LCS (or at least so expressed to the taxpayers come levy/bond issue time) and the City of Lancaster in general, this proposed defection is met with resistance on the basis of "fiscal responsibility." ('The way we see it, not playing Pickerington Central/North anymore doesn't make up for the fact we're driving pretty far to play Zanesville and Logan.')

Lastly, it is the opinion of some in the Lancaster community that part of what incentivizes student-athletes to transfer to LHS (from schools such as Fisher Cath, Fairfield Union etc) is the quality of competition (in the OCC-Ohio) that is played in sports such as football, basketball and baseball. Line up Pickerington Central, Pickerington North, Reynoldsburg, Gahanna-Lincoln and Grove City and collate the number of student-athletes from those schools that'll be participating at the NCAA D1 level for the three mentioned sports. That number pales the same figure for the rest of the Fairfield County schools LHS student-athlete transfers would otherwise play at their original schools. It explains why Noah Dryden went to LHS, it partially explains why Goss sent his boys there, and it explains why LHS has gotten some of the kids it has (that have always lived in the district, mind you) from its smaller, nearby counterparts. You look at this proposed league, and there's absolutely no way that you're getting this quality of competition (even on a micro, individual evaluation of talent) out of Teays Valley, Logan, and in multiple sports Newark, Zanesville and Reynoldsburg.

Plus, such a move could easily backfire into "Lancaster jumped the ship when the going was tough."
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Old 12-13-17, 02:00 PM
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Glad to see guys such as lancaster90 and sportfan97, two posters who I've always understood to have more direct connections to Lancaster, bring some of the LHS perspective into this discussion. As someone who lived in Lancaster for 10 years up until very recently, but who has no personal connection to the school, here's what I think on the topic.

Lancaster won't follow through with the threats to leave, in the end. While good points are made that Logan and Newark are longstanding rivals of the Gales who, if they conference, will bring better gate revenues than a Pickerington Central or North, this proposed conference would be of little benefit ultimately to LHS.

For one, football drives the bus. Logan football = BAD; Newark football = BAD; Zanesville football = BAD; Groveport-Madison football = BAD; Teays Valley = program that can't compete with schools of its own size; Canal Winchester = mediocre transition toward playing schools of similar sizes. Reynoldsburg = D1 program that has no aspirations higher than 5-5/6-4. In this proposed league, Lancaster would either have to a) go undefeated in conference play, or b) pray that Logan, Z-Ville, and Newark (all put together) have a record better than 10-20 (metaphorically), to make playoffs in most years. I'm sure the Carpenter family has some strong opinions on this issue alone. Playoff points aside, four-to-five of Lancaster's proposed league compatriots are no match for the current Lancaster program in football.

Travel times (and mileage) may be a concern also for Lancaster City Schools. I would not be surprised if, given the "not another damn dime" ideology that predominates the administration of LCS (or at least so expressed to the taxpayers come levy/bond issue time) and the City of Lancaster in general, this proposed defection is met with resistance on the basis of "fiscal responsibility." ('The way we see it, not playing Pickerington Central/North anymore doesn't make up for the fact we're driving pretty far to play Zanesville and Logan.')

Lastly, it is the opinion of some in the Lancaster community that part of what incentivizes student-athletes to transfer to LHS (from schools such as Fisher Cath, Fairfield Union etc) is the quality of competition (in the OCC-Ohio) that is played in sports such as football, basketball and baseball. Line up Pickerington Central, Pickerington North, Reynoldsburg, Gahanna-Lincoln and Grove City and collate the number of student-athletes from those schools that'll be participating at the NCAA D1 level for the three mentioned sports. That number pales the same figure for the rest of the Fairfield County schools LHS student-athlete transfers would otherwise play at their original schools. It explains why Noah Dryden went to LHS, it partially explains why Goss sent his boys there, and it explains why LHS has gotten some of the kids it has (that have always lived in the district, mind you) from its smaller, nearby counterparts. You look at this proposed league, and there's absolutely no way that you're getting this quality of competition (even on a micro, individual evaluation of talent) out of Teays Valley, Logan, and in multiple sports Newark, Zanesville and Reynoldsburg.

Plus, such a move could easily backfire into "Lancaster jumped the ship when the going was tough."


Outstanding response ! Could not have said it any better. Bravo for pointing everything out


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Old 12-13-17, 06:30 PM
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Glad to see guys such as lancaster90 and sportfan97, two posters who I've always understood to have more direct connections to Lancaster, bring some of the LHS perspective into this discussion. As someone who lived in Lancaster for 10 years up until very recently, but who has no personal connection to the school, here's what I think on the topic.

Lancaster won't follow through with the threats to leave, in the end. While good points are made that Logan and Newark are longstanding rivals of the Gales who, if they conference, will bring better gate revenues than a Pickerington Central or North, this proposed conference would be of little benefit ultimately to LHS.

For one, football drives the bus. Logan football = BAD; Newark football = BAD; Zanesville football = BAD; Groveport-Madison football = BAD; Teays Valley = program that can't compete with schools of its own size; Canal Winchester = mediocre transition toward playing schools of similar sizes. Reynoldsburg = D1 program that has no aspirations higher than 5-5/6-4. In this proposed league, Lancaster would either have to a) go undefeated in conference play, or b) pray that Logan, Z-Ville, and Newark (all put together) have a record better than 10-20 (metaphorically), to make playoffs in most years. I'm sure the Carpenter family has some strong opinions on this issue alone. Playoff points aside, four-to-five of Lancaster's proposed league compatriots are no match for the current Lancaster program in football.

Travel times (and mileage) may be a concern also for Lancaster City Schools. I would not be surprised if, given the "not another damn dime" ideology that predominates the administration of LCS (or at least so expressed to the taxpayers come levy/bond issue time) and the City of Lancaster in general, this proposed defection is met with resistance on the basis of "fiscal responsibility." ('The way we see it, not playing Pickerington Central/North anymore doesn't make up for the fact we're driving pretty far to play Zanesville and Logan.')

Lastly, it is the opinion of some in the Lancaster community that part of what incentivizes student-athletes to transfer to LHS (from schools such as Fisher Cath, Fairfield Union etc) is the quality of competition (in the OCC-Ohio) that is played in sports such as football, basketball and baseball. Line up Pickerington Central, Pickerington North, Reynoldsburg, Gahanna-Lincoln and Grove City and collate the number of student-athletes from those schools that'll be participating at the NCAA D1 level for the three mentioned sports. That number pales the same figure for the rest of the Fairfield County schools LHS student-athlete transfers would otherwise play at their original schools. It explains why Noah Dryden went to LHS, it partially explains why Goss sent his boys there, and it explains why LHS has gotten some of the kids it has (that have always lived in the district, mind you) from its smaller, nearby counterparts. You look at this proposed league, and there's absolutely no way that you're getting this quality of competition (even on a micro, individual evaluation of talent) out of Teays Valley, Logan, and in multiple sports Newark, Zanesville and Reynoldsburg.

Plus, such a move could easily backfire into "Lancaster jumped the ship when the going was tough."
Lancaster will be much better when they move away from the triple option. They run that offense all the way down to their youth program. I would love to see Lancaster, Canal Winchester, Groveport and Newark form a new league.

We get stuck playing their junior high teams and it's a waste of time for both teams because the games are so lopsided. Lancaster is at a disadvantage compared to places like Pickerington. People are moving here just for the sports and we continue to grow every year.

Some parents are pushing to get the Junior High schedule re-aligned so that we can play more competitive games. Currently, we play both Lancaster Schools, Newark, Canal Winchester, Groveport and Renyoldsburg. These games are always blowouts and neither team really gets any benefit out of playing each other.

The Pickerington Ridgeview 7th grade outscored their opponents 240-48 with all but 2 TDs coming against the 5th string. The clock is always rolling in the 2nd half and we have 55 players to get into the game so the starters don't really get much playing time because the game is a blowout. The coaches go out of their way to not run up the score. So these kids will go 2 years without really getting any meaningful reps. If we divided our 55 players up into 3 teams, we would have the 3 best teams in the league. Simply stated, our 3rd team is better than any team we faced this season.

Basketball is pretty much the same so far. Lakeview beat one of the Lancaster 7th grade teams 97-26 so they canceled the game with Ridgeview the following week. So far, all of our basketball games have been blowouts and I don't foresee any competitive games for the rest of the season. We have 15 players on the 7th grade basketball team and players 10-15 would go undefeated. Its just not any fun and the players are just going through the motions.

This isn't a knock on Lancaster as they have historically played Central pretty tough especially this season. They just don't have the built in advantages that we have. Going forward, the games will not be very competitive and some re-alignment needs to take place.
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Old 12-13-17, 07:03 PM
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Just thought I'd add that one thing which has been instrumental in the state of Lancaster's "big" sports (football, basketball) being so anemic of late across all levels (sans varsity football) is the fact a lot of the youth programs are dysfunctional, and have been for some time.
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Lancaster will be much better when they move away from the triple option. They run that offense all the way down to their youth program. I would love to see Lancaster, Canal Winchester, Groveport and Newark form a new league.

We get stuck playing their junior high teams and it's a waste of time for both teams because the games are so lopsided. Lancaster is at a disadvantage compared to places like Pickerington. People are moving here just for the sports and we continue to grow every year.

Some parents are pushing to get the Junior High schedule re-aligned so that we can play more competitive games. Currently, we play both Lancaster Schools, Newark, Canal Winchester, Groveport and Renyoldsburg. These games are always blowouts and neither team really gets any benefit out of playing each other.

The Pickerington Ridgeview 7th grade outscored their opponents 240-48 with all but 2 TDs coming against the 5th string. The clock is always rolling in the 2nd half and we have 55 players to get into the game so the starters don't really get much playing time because the game is a blowout. The coaches go out of their way to not run up the score. So these kids will go 2 years without really getting any meaningful reps. If we divided our 55 players up into 3 teams, we would have the 3 best teams in the league. Simply stated, our 3rd team is better than any team we faced this season.

Basketball is pretty much the same so far. Lakeview beat one of the Lancaster 7th grade teams 97-26 so they canceled the game with Ridgeview the following week. So far, all of our basketball games have been blowouts and I don't foresee any competitive games for the rest of the season. We have 15 players on the 7th grade basketball team and players 10-15 would go undefeated. Its just not any fun and the players are just going through the motions.

This isn't a knock on Lancaster as they have historically played Central pretty tough especially this season. They just don't have the built in advantages that we have. Going forward, the games will not be very competitive and some re-alignment needs to take place.
How would Lancaster be better not running the triple option ? I'm guessing they do not have the athletes to run any other system and be as successful.I'm sure the coach realizes this and will stick with that offense.
By the way,congrats on the state title this year. I have felt that one of the Pickerington schools would be Central Ohio's next Division 1 state champion considering the sheer number of great athletes in that area give them the best chance of stacking up with the big Cincy and Cleveland area schools.
Looking forward to seeing Pick Central come to Davidson next September.The QB is a beast and almost impossible to stop.
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Old 12-14-17, 10:44 AM
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How would Lancaster be better not running the triple option ? I'm guessing they do not have the athletes to run any other system and be as successful.I'm sure the coach realizes this and will stick with that offense.

By the way,congrats on the state title this year. I have felt that one of the Pickerington schools would be Central Ohio's next Division 1 state champion considering the sheer number of great athletes in that area give them the best chance of stacking up with the big Cincy and Cleveland area schools.

Looking forward to seeing Pick Central come to Davidson next September.The QB is a beast and almost impossible to stop.


Rob Carpenter in his 20 seasons as head coach has ran the wing-t (except 2009 when they ran a spread option)and has a record of 122-78. They have only finished the season with a below .500 record 4 times in that 20 years. They have won the OCC-Ohio division 5 times. the only school with more titles in that time frame is Pickerington Central. Lancaster has made the playoffs 8 times. I would say that the offense Lancaster runs has worked pretty good for the personnel they typically have. They don’t have the speed other teams have so power running and misdirection fits well. They have always been good at stopping the run on defense as well. Lancaster’s problem has always been stopping good passing teams due to the lack of speed in the defensive backfield.

Watching 7th graders start to learn the wing-t can be painful since it takes a lot of timing but by the time they are juniors and seniors the offense works pretty well. You can just look at the scores of the varsity games this season and see they are able to score (averaged 28 ppg in conference play).It’s the defense that has struggled to contain good passing attacks giving up 35 ppg in conference.


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As an outsider coming back to Ohio after a decade, coming from two states where the state actually organized "conferences" every 2 to 4 years, why do schools feel the need to join conferences? They have nothing to do with playoffs, there really isn't any tradition in the OCC as they realign frequently, just trying to understand the positives for being involved.

Also, have heard there has been a little chatter in Delaware County of more or less a "Delaware County Conference" consisting of:

Delaware
Big Walnut
Berlin
Liberty
Marysville
Orange
Olentangy

All areas growing rapidly, and Olentangy would make up 1\2, and other 4 are seperate districts. Seems like a no-brainer. No need for constant realignment.
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Old 12-14-17, 02:02 PM
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Lancaster will be much better when they move away from the triple option. .
They don't run "the triple option".

*News Flash* Every run-first offense is not "the triple option".

I stopped reading after the first line, so I don't know if the rest of it was as stupid as the first sentence. I'm trusting it was.
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Old 12-14-17, 04:03 PM
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Zville certainly isn't too big for ECOL which has 2 Divisions:

Scarlet

Cambridge - 234
Dover - 376
Marietta - 344
New Phila - 359
Zanesville - 341

Gray

Coshocton - 170
Meadowbrook - 210
River View - 260

They are only required to play 5 league games a year (4 in Scarlet and 1 in gray).

The Zanesville number is misleading. Zanesville has a community school and those kids are not included in the OHSAA count, but they can participate in sports for ZHS. If you look at ODE numbers you see Zanesville is bigger (not much bigger) than the other ECOL schools.
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As an outsider coming back to Ohio after a decade, coming from two states where the state actually organized "conferences" every 2 to 4 years, why do schools feel the need to join conferences? They have nothing to do with playoffs, there really isn't any tradition in the OCC as they realign frequently, just trying to understand the positives for being involved.

Also, have heard there has been a little chatter in Delaware County of more or less a "Delaware County Conference" consisting of:

Delaware
Big Walnut
Berlin
Liberty
Marysville
Orange
Olentangy

All areas growing rapidly, and Olentangy would make up 1\2, and other 4 are seperate districts. Seems like a no-brainer. No need for constant realignment.
IMO conference championships are important as they provide goals and recognition for athletes. The OCC model is unique to Ohio and I imagine other states. It seems to work and most of the schools are happy with the arrangement.
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Old 12-14-17, 05:18 PM
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They don't run "the triple option".



*News Flash* Every run-first offense is not "the triple option".



I stopped reading after the first line, so I don't know if the rest of it was as stupid as the first sentence. I'm trusting it was.


Your right. It’s “Smoke and Mirrors !” Call it what you want..... ITS THE TRIPLE OPTION !


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Old 12-14-17, 06:21 PM
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IMO conference championships are important as they provide goals and recognition for athletes. The OCC model is unique to Ohio and I imagine other states. It seems to work and most of the schools are happy with the arrangement.
For the most part, I agree. When I first started following Central Ohio HS sports, I wasn't a big fan of the OCC, particularly when they had the rule about not putting schools from the same district in the same division. My biggest complaint would be reshuffling that separates schools like Davidson/Coffman, Darby/Bradley, Scioto/Kilbourne, etc. On a smaller, separate note, if the OCC was going to be amenable to Newark's wishes to move to the Capital, they should have considered the situation at Westland. Westland will not see the light of day in almost any sport, in the Central. At least in the Capital, they'd have a fighting chance here and there.
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Old 12-14-17, 10:09 PM
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For the most part, I agree. When I first started following Central Ohio HS sports, I wasn't a big fan of the OCC, particularly when they had the rule about not putting schools from the same district in the same division. My biggest complaint would be reshuffling that separates schools like Davidson/Coffman, Darby/Bradley, Scioto/Kilbourne, etc. On a smaller, separate note, if the OCC was going to be amenable to Newark's wishes to move to the Capital, they should have considered the situation at Westland. Westland will not see the light of day in almost any sport, in the Central. At least in the Capital, they'd have a fighting chance here and there.
Agree on that one.
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Old 12-15-17, 04:47 PM
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How would Lancaster be better not running the triple option ? I'm guessing they do not have the athletes to run any other system and be as successful.I'm sure the coach realizes this and will stick with that offense.
By the way,congrats on the state title this year. I have felt that one of the Pickerington schools would be Central Ohio's next Division 1 state champion considering the sheer number of great athletes in that area give them the best chance of stacking up with the big Cincy and Cleveland area schools.
Looking forward to seeing Pick Central come to Davidson next September.The QB is a beast and almost impossible to stop.
IMO, Lancaster would be better off evolving their offense from whatever you want to call what they run. I am not saying they need to go full spread or anything like that. You can be a power running based team but still have the ability to run different formations. If they get down by 2 scores with less than 10 minutes to play, the game is pretty much over. Their offense eats the clock which is an advantage at times. Also, that offense does not develop skill players or pass blocking. I would guess that it also negatively impacts their pass coverage/defense because they do not practice against it. There has to be enough athletes in that school to run more diverse offense.
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Old 12-16-17, 07:58 AM
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Glad to see guys such as lancaster90 and sportfan97, two posters who I've always understood to have more direct connections to Lancaster, bring some of the LHS perspective into this discussion. As someone who lived in Lancaster for 10 years up until very recently, but who has no personal connection to the school, here's what I think on the topic.

Lancaster won't follow through with the threats to leave, in the end. While good points are made that Logan and Newark are longstanding rivals of the Gales who, if they conference, will bring better gate revenues than a Pickerington Central or North, this proposed conference would be of little benefit ultimately to LHS.

For one, football drives the bus. Logan football = BAD; Newark football = BAD; Zanesville football = BAD; Groveport-Madison football = BAD; Teays Valley = program that can't compete with schools of its own size; Canal Winchester = mediocre transition toward playing schools of similar sizes. Reynoldsburg = D1 program that has no aspirations higher than 5-5/6-4. In this proposed league, Lancaster would either have to a) go undefeated in conference play, or b) pray that Logan, Z-Ville, and Newark (all put together) have a record better than 10-20 (metaphorically), to make playoffs in most years. I'm sure the Carpenter family has some strong opinions on this issue alone. Playoff points aside, four-to-five of Lancaster's proposed league compatriots are no match for the current Lancaster program in football.

Travel times (and mileage) may be a concern also for Lancaster City Schools. I would not be surprised if, given the "not another damn dime" ideology that predominates the administration of LCS (or at least so expressed to the taxpayers come levy/bond issue time) and the City of Lancaster in general, this proposed defection is met with resistance on the basis of "fiscal responsibility." ('The way we see it, not playing Pickerington Central/North anymore doesn't make up for the fact we're driving pretty far to play Zanesville and Logan.')

Lastly, it is the opinion of some in the Lancaster community that part of what incentivizes student-athletes to transfer to LHS (from schools such as Fisher Cath, Fairfield Union etc) is the quality of competition (in the OCC-Ohio) that is played in sports such as football, basketball and baseball. Line up Pickerington Central, Pickerington North, Reynoldsburg, Gahanna-Lincoln and Grove City and collate the number of student-athletes from those schools that'll be participating at the NCAA D1 level for the three mentioned sports. That number pales the same figure for the rest of the Fairfield County schools LHS student-athlete transfers would otherwise play at their original schools. It explains why Noah Dryden went to LHS, it partially explains why Goss sent his boys there, and it explains why LHS has gotten some of the kids it has (that have always lived in the district, mind you) from its smaller, nearby counterparts. You look at this proposed league, and there's absolutely no way that you're getting this quality of competition (even on a micro, individual evaluation of talent) out of Teays Valley, Logan, and in multiple sports Newark, Zanesville and Reynoldsburg.

Plus, such a move could easily backfire into "Lancaster jumped the ship when the going was tough."
Not sure about the Dryden's but the Goss's have ties to Lancaster. Not only did there father play at Lancaster in the late 80s but he is also a teacher at Lancaster which made going to Lancaster easier. Also not sure Lancaster is really taking athletes away from other schools in Fairfield County like you think. Remember, in some sports, Lancaster offers more sports than anyone in the county except the Pickeringtons. Lancaster offers sports like Golf, Wrestling, Swimming and Field Hockey. Not every school in the county offers those sports so any kid wanting to play them can do so at any school closest to there district. Plus, why would anyone transfer to Lancaster now when in a few years the Facilities such as new Junior Highs and High School are just around the corner in 2020 and 2022.
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Old 12-16-17, 10:09 AM
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Not sure about the Dryden's but the Goss's have ties to Lancaster. Not only did there father play at Lancaster in the late 80s but he is also a teacher at Lancaster which made going to Lancaster easier. Also not sure Lancaster is really taking athletes away from other schools in Fairfield County like you think. Remember, in some sports, Lancaster offers more sports than anyone in the county except the Pickeringtons. Lancaster offers sports like Golf, Wrestling, Swimming and Field Hockey. Not every school in the county offers those sports so any kid wanting to play them can do so at any school closest to there district. Plus, why would anyone transfer to Lancaster now when in a few years the Facilities such as new Junior Highs and High School are just around the corner in 2020 and 2022.
The reason I said “partly” is because I know Mont played for LHS back in the day. But his oldest boy didn’t start off at LHS. I know the father teaches at LHS and has been on the staff there for a while, so I’m sure that had a huge influence in the move but at the same time all of his boys have college football aspirations. Between a D7 and a D1 that plays in a talent-laden league, where would a student-athlete looking to play football at the next level be better suited?

For what it’s worth, I’m not implying that Lancaster recruits nor that they’re becoming a flocking post for area athletes. Instead, they’re in a unique situation as being one of Central OH’s largest schools yet never seeming to have the depth developed to play all four quarters (football, basketball) with the OCC-Ohio on a consistent basis. I do think if Lancaster goes for the proposed league, then they’re going to miss out on that 10-15% of kids per sport whose decision to attend LHS is somewhat shaped by athletics and the level of talent played.
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Old 12-29-17, 03:57 PM
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Another article on the possible revamping of the OCC.

http://www.thisweeknews.com/sports/2...ooming-for-occ

I don't see Dublin (3), Hilliard (3), Upper Arlington, Worthington (2), Westerville (3), Gahanna and Pickerington (2) leaving the OCC. I'd be a bit surprised if Olentangy (4) or New Albany left, too. South-Western has said that they wouldn't split their schools between leagues, but Westland and Franklin Heights are just consistently overmatched.
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Old 01-01-18, 12:49 PM
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Another article on the possible revamping of the OCC.

http://www.thisweeknews.com/sports/2...ooming-for-occ

I don't see Dublin (3), Hilliard (3), Upper Arlington, Worthington (2), Westerville (3), Gahanna and Pickerington (2) leaving the OCC. I'd be a bit surprised if Olentangy (4) or New Albany left, too. South-Western has said that they wouldn't split their schools between leagues, but Westland and Franklin Heights are just consistently overmatched.
Yes, the Southwestern schools seem content to take their lumps year after year.
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Old 01-02-18, 09:34 AM
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Yes, the Southwestern schools seem content to take their lumps year after year.
Grove City and Central Crossing do reasonably well, even if they typically finish in the lower half of the All Sports standings of their respective divisions. They are at least competitive in most sports and good-to-very good in a few. There are quite a few sports where Franklin Heights and Westland don't even field teams.
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Old 01-14-18, 01:33 PM
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The Frontier Athletic Conference (Chillicothe, Jackson, Miami Trace, Washington C.H., Hillsboro and Greenfield McClain) is looking for two more members.
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The Frontier Athletic Conference (Chillicothe, Jackson, Miami Trace, Washington C.H., Hillsboro and Greenfield McClain) is looking for two more members.
Let's not forget that Chillicothe was once a member of the OCC. I can't see any of the current OCC members taking off for that league.

Lancaster is probably the closest, and that league would be suicide for them from a Harbins perspective.
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