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Old 02-14-18, 11:30 PM
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17 killed in shooting at high school in Parkland, Florida, authorities say

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At least 17 people were dead after a 19-year-old man opened fire at Marjory Stoneman Douglas High School in Parkland, Florida, on Wednesday afternoon, officials said.

At least 16 people were wounded, two of whom later died and five others of whom had life-threatening injuries Wednesday night, hospital officials said. The suspected gunman, identified as Nikolas Cruz, was also wounded but was released from the hospital and was in custody, authorities said.

"You come to the conclusion this is just absolutely pure evil," Florida Gov. Rick Scott, his hands clutched over his chest, said Wednesday night.
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Old 02-15-18, 11:11 AM
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The Onion oddly enough sums it up-

https://www.theonion.com/no-way-to-p...ign=&utm_term=
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Old 02-15-18, 11:22 AM
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SHock value is over with on mass shootings.
People tune in, say how tragic it is, and move onto something else.
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Old 02-15-18, 11:26 AM
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The post that same post every time there is this kind of event.
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Old 02-15-18, 11:27 AM
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SHock value is over with on mass shootings.
People tune in, say how tragic it is, and move onto something else.
No one cares.
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Old 02-15-18, 12:48 PM
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There no doubt needs to be a more rigorous process in place when it comes to buying guns.
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Old 02-15-18, 12:53 PM
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...A report I saw was that this kid was on a lot of people's radar to do something like this and they all dropped the ball.
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Old 02-15-18, 01:46 PM
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Looks like the loser trained with a white nationalist militia: http://www.latimes.com/nation/nation...215-story.html
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Old 02-15-18, 02:23 PM
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So say this person is on everyone's radar. Are we now allowed to follow around and watch a person of interest all the time. Isn't this...profiling??? There is no solution to this problem. We live in a free society, and in doing so, we have to "live" with some of the incidents that come up like this.
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Old 02-15-18, 02:28 PM
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So say this person is on everyone's radar. Are we now allowed to follow around and watch a person of interest all the time. Isn't this...profiling??? There is no solution to this problem. We live in a free society, and in doing so, we have to "live" with some of the incidents that come up like this.
For awhile I was in some areas where you went through a TSA like security for a mall, restaurant, grocery store, etc and it............was no way to live. Even getting cars searched going into a shopping center parking lot.


Something has to give. You are not going to take guns away, that is impossible to do.
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Old 02-15-18, 02:44 PM
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Had this kid used a hand gun or a conventional rifle he might have killed 5-6 people. Still awful but anyone with a grudge can now buy an AR and kill and maim as many as possible in a short window.

History will look very poorly upon us for our gun laws during this time.

The Onion heading sums it all up.
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Old 02-15-18, 03:10 PM
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Had this kid used a hand gun or a conventional rifle he might have killed 5-6 people. Still awful but anyone with a grudge can now buy an AR and kill and maim as many as possible in a short window.

History will look very poorly upon us for our gun laws during this time.

The Onion heading sums it all up.
I always enjoy debates with you, so Iíll say this: he could done a helluva lot more damage with a U-Haul and a stack of fertilizer.

And Iím not a gun nut, either. I have a 22 and a 12-gauge, and I would give both up tomorrow if it would put an end to school shootings. But it wouldnít.
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Old 02-15-18, 03:12 PM
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I don't think there's any reason for you to give up your gun, serpico, but a guy with known mental problems shouldn't be able to walk into a store, show ID, and walk out with a gun.
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Old 02-15-18, 03:34 PM
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I don't think there's any reason for you to give up your gun, serpico, but a guy with known mental problems shouldn't be able to walk into a store, show ID, and walk out with a gun.
Therein lies the problem.

Unless EVERYONE gets screen periodically, and I mean an intense examination, and receive a GO/NO GO sort of mental assessment then it would be impossible to do this.

For those who are mentally unstable and have been diagnosed/examined is there a database that would be able to be accessed for approval?

It is true, mental instability is the root cause but I don't see how it is going to flag you to buy a weapon.

EVERYONE would have to go through big time mental exams. Hell, Military folks have access to doctors and asked often about mental issues and its easy to say what would keep you off the radar.

Just don't see how it would work out.
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Old 02-15-18, 03:40 PM
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Everyone should be going through a more thorough background check than is currently required (none) IMO.
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Old 02-15-18, 04:08 PM
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I don't know what the answer is. Not even sure there is one at this point.
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Old 02-15-18, 04:18 PM
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FBI was warned about alleged shooter nearly 5 months ago, tipster says

Should we start taking what people say online more seriously? Is anonymity a good idea?
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Old 02-15-18, 04:28 PM
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Everyone should be going through a more thorough background check than is currently required (none) IMO.
That would require everyone trying to buy a weapon to also see a physician.
To do it right, said customer would need to be seen a number of times to make sure there is a good read on him.

Even at that.....you can always buy one illegally.
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Old 02-15-18, 04:31 PM
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"We had no idea he would just snap" says guy chanting Nazi salutes while conducting paramilitary exercises in the Florida woods and encouraging stashing of weapons.

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Old 02-15-18, 05:17 PM
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Everyone should be going through a more thorough background check than is currently required (none) IMO.
You do realize that when you buy a gun legally you have to register with the ATF and if a problem pops up you canít buy right?
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Old 02-15-18, 05:36 PM
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Had this kid used a hand gun or a conventional rifle he might have killed 5-6 people.
He also might have killed 30. Conjecture isn't an argument.

Hope this helps.

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Still awful but anyone with a grudge can now buy an AR and kill and maim as many as possible in a short window.
Assuming you're referring to all semi-auto weapons...since there are at least 12 models of rifle and countless handguns that shoot as fast as an AR-15...several more accurately.

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https://www.archives.gov/federal-register/constitution
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Old 02-15-18, 06:01 PM
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Do you think we will be looked upon poorly/harshly for killing so many people with motor vehicles?
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Old 02-15-18, 06:04 PM
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Do you think we will be looked upon poorly/harshly for killing so many people with motor vehicles?
I think it an irrelevant analogy created by those who couldn't keep their defense simple, and those that copy them.

However, if the global warming thing pans out, then yes, we probably will be but for completely different, non-analogous reasons to any potential future impression left by the arms policies in the country.
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Old 02-15-18, 07:57 PM
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The problem is that there are no moderates in this issue, just people screaming the same old $h!+ from both ends of the spectrum with no one willing to have a forthright conversation towards finding a solution. All the while, it happens again and again and again. It's an effing national embarrassment.
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Old 02-15-18, 08:38 PM
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That would require everyone trying to buy a weapon to also see a physician.
To do it right, said customer would need to be seen a number of times to make sure there is a good read on him.

Even at that.....you can always buy one illegally.
Youíd obviously still have a black market, and it would be naive to underestimate kids, but no doubt some of these kids who have shot up schools would never had gotten their hands on guns.
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Old 02-15-18, 08:41 PM
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The problem is that there are no moderates in this issue, just people screaming the same old $h!+ from both ends of the spectrum with no one willing to have a forthright conversation towards finding a solution. All the while, it happens again and again and again. It's an effing national embarrassment.
I donít think my stance is an extreme one on either end.
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Old 02-15-18, 09:03 PM
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Looks like the loser trained with a white nationalist militia: http://www.latimes.com/nation/nation...215-story.html
Not so fast:

http://www.tallahassee.com/story/new...say/341751002/

Local law enforcement sources have not found a connection between accused Parkland school shooter Nikolas Cruz and a Tallahassee-based paramilitary group.

Leon County law enforcement sources told the Tallahassee Democrat that they could not find information linking Cruz, 19, to the Republic of Florida Militia, as claimed by the groupís self-proclaimed leader Jordan Jereb.


And more here:

https://pjmedia.com/trending/media-s...-supremacists/

A self-aggrandizing leader of a white supremacist militia has put one over on the American media. Jordan Jereb apparently capitalized on the media frenzy over school shooter Nikolas Cruz and tried to gain some free publicity for his militia, the Republic of Florida.

Tallahassee police say they can find no connection between Cruz and the ROF.

Cruz may be a white supremacist. He may be a Trump supporter. But to take the word of a self-promoting yahoo playing at soldier and militia "leader" without making a minimal effort to confirm the facts is truly beyond belief.
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Old 02-15-18, 09:15 PM
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Youíd obviously still have a black market, and it would be naive to underestimate kids, but no doubt some of these kids who have shot up schools would never had gotten their hands on guns.
Why wouldn't they? Yeah they couldn't get them legally. Just like they can't buy beer legally.
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Old 02-15-18, 09:21 PM
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This kid could of taken a semi auto shotgun, unplugged and used 00 buck shot. The death toll may have been higher.
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Old 02-15-18, 09:32 PM
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The problem is that there are no moderates in this issue,
Nonsense.
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