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Old 10-29-17, 12:23 AM
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Division VI Poll Voting Discussion (Final)

The voting will take place until Monday, October 30th, 2017. The poll for each division will be released that afternoon.

Use this thread to discuss your top ten voting for D6:

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Old 10-29-17, 11:33 AM
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1 Maria Stein Marion Local
2 Kirtland
3 Creston Norwayne
4 Nelsonville-York
5 Lima Central Catholic
6 Coldwater
7 Mechanicsburg
8 Findlay Liberty-Benton
9 Rootstown
10 Mogadore
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Old 10-29-17, 11:43 AM
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1. Marion Local
2. Kirtland
3. Coldwater
4. Rootstown
5. Nelsonville-York
6. Liberty-Benton
7. Norwayne
8. Central Catholic
9. Liberty
10. St. Henry
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Old 10-29-17, 08:41 PM
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1. Marion Local
2. Kirtland
3. Coldwater
4. Rootstown
5. Nelsonville-York
6. Liberty-Benton
7. Norwayne
8. Central Catholic
9. Liberty
10. St. Henry
Fort Recovery beat St Henry this past Friday.....
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Old 10-29-17, 08:43 PM
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Fort Recovery beat St Henry this past Friday.....
I know but their loss to Versailles regardless of the circumstances was a really bad loss.

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Old 10-30-17, 10:20 AM
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1. Marion Local
2. Kirtland
3. Coldwater
4. LCC
5. Liberty Benton
6. York
7. Mogadore
8. Liberty
9. Mechanicsburg
10. Fort Recovery
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Old 10-30-17, 11:03 AM
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I know but their loss to Versailles regardless of the circumstances was a really bad loss.

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but then wouldn't St Henrys big loss to the FORT be a bad loss.....
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Old 10-30-17, 11:08 AM
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but then wouldn't St Henrys big loss to the FORT be a bad loss.....
No Fort Recovery is my #11 team. Versailles is way down the list.
I look at who each team has beat and lost to, in order to determine the order I rank them. I don't rank based on head to head results. Especially when there is often times a scenario where team A beats team B, team B beats team C and team C beats team A.

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Old 10-30-17, 12:33 PM
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No Fort Recovery is my #11 team. Versailles is way down the list.
I look at who each team has beat and lost to, in order to determine the order I rank them. I don't rank based on head to head results. Especially when there is often times a scenario where team A beats team B, team B beats team C and team C beats team A.

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so head to head matchups don't matter to you....are you a AP voter?
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Old 10-30-17, 12:36 PM
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so head to head matchups don't matter to you....are you a AP voter?
Would you rank Delphos St. John's above Coldwater if they were in the same division?

How about Versailles over Fort Recovery?
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Old 10-30-17, 12:38 PM
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so head to head matchups don't matter to you....are you a AP voter?
I am not. Head to head matters but it isn't my main determining factor.

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Old 10-30-17, 01:48 PM
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I am not. Head to head matters but it isn't my main determining factor.

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Of course..... because there are better ways to determine who is the best team than by actually playing each other. Lol

FR wins came against opponents who were 31-29.
St.Henry wins came against opponents who were 24-36.

FR losses came against opponents who were 31-9.
St. Henry losses came against opponents who were 30-10.
Clearly FR had better wins and ever so slightly better losses.
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Old 10-30-17, 01:53 PM
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Would you rank Delphos St. John's above Coldwater if they were in the same division?

How about Versailles over Fort Recovery?
No. Coldwater has a better record than DSJ.
Same with FR over Versailles.
Both were bad losses for FR and CW.

St. Henry and FR had identical 6-4 records. FR won head to head. FR had a tougher schedule.
FR had better wins and better losses.

FR eliminated SH from the playoffs in week 10.

No matter how you twist things FR is better than SH.... except in polls.
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Old 10-30-17, 02:03 PM
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Clearly it's important to you for someone to validate that Fort Recovery is indeed better than St. Henry, so let me do that for you.

Fort Recovery is better than St. Henry

My point was that head to head matchups aren't the be all and end all.
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Old 10-30-17, 02:07 PM
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Clearly it's important to you for someone to validate that Fort Recovery is indeed better than St. Henry, so let me do that for you.

Fort Recovery is better than St. Henry

My point was that head to head matchups aren't the be all and end all.
Of course they aren't the end all and be all but if everything else is equal (records, opponent quality etc) then head to head certainly matters.... a lot!
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Old 10-30-17, 02:08 PM
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Clearly it's important to you for someone to validate that Fort Recovery is indeed better than St. Henry, so let me do that for you.

Fort Recovery is better than St. Henry

My point was that head to head matchups aren't the be all and end all.
Fort Recovery validated that last Friday. But thanks anyway.
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Old 10-30-17, 02:16 PM
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Anyone who gets worked up about the state poll rankings needs to get their head examined.
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Old 10-30-17, 02:29 PM
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Of course..... because there are better ways to determine who is the best team than by actually playing each other. Lol

FR wins came against opponents who were 31-29.
St.Henry wins came against opponents who were 24-36.

FR losses came against opponents who were 31-9.
St. Henry losses came against opponents who were 30-10.
Clearly FR had better wins and ever so slightly better losses.
I don't put a lot of weight into records or head to head results.
St. Henry beat DSJ 34-7, Fort Recovery beat DSJ 21-14 that was one common opponent. St Henry also beat Minster 30-7, that was the best opponent they beat I don't care that they only had a 6-4 record either. Fort Recovery only barely beat Minster by 1 point. Fort Recovery got killed by Coldwater but St. Henry only lost by 3 points in a really close game. I can go on and on but overall St. Henry has a slight edge over Fort Recovery despite the head to head result. To me St. Henry played one of their worst games against Fort Recovery and Fort Recovery played on of their best games. I think St. Henry would beat Fort Recovery 2 times out of 3 based on everything that I have seen.
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Old 10-30-17, 02:48 PM
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Anyone who gets worked up about the state poll rankings needs to get their head examined.
Who is worked up? It's a message board.... it's all in good fun.
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Old 10-30-17, 02:50 PM
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I don't put a lot of weight into records or head to head results.
St. Henry beat DSJ 34-7, Fort Recovery beat DSJ 21-14 that was one common opponent. St Henry also beat Minster 30-7, that was the best opponent they beat I don't care that they only had a 6-4 record either. Fort Recovery only barely beat Minster by 1 point. Fort Recovery got killed by Coldwater but St. Henry only lost by 3 points in a really close game. I can go on and on but overall St. Henry has a slight edge over Fort Recovery despite the head to head result. To me St. Henry played one of their worst games against Fort Recovery and Fort Recovery played on of their best games. I think St. Henry would beat Fort Recovery 2 times out of 3 based on everything that I have seen.
Fair enough.... at least it is a well thought out argument even if I disagree on the last line.
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