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Old 11-14-17, 09:28 AM
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True Freshman state champs

Is anyone aware of a true freshman in the state of Ohio who has won a wrestling state championship above the weight class of 140lbs?
Follow up question what is the heaviest weight class a true freshman has won a state championship?
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Old 11-14-17, 09:49 AM
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So no red shirts?


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Old 11-14-17, 09:55 AM
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So no red shirts?
Um, the politically correct term is "nontraditional matriculator".

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Old 11-14-17, 10:05 AM
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Um, the politically correct term is "nontraditional matriculator".



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Old 11-14-17, 10:07 AM
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Marinelli was one of the heaviest ones I can recall.
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Old 11-14-17, 10:08 AM
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Does Alex Marinelli, Graham count?
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Old 11-14-17, 10:22 AM
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Chris Phillips?
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Old 11-14-17, 10:31 AM
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Does Alex Marinelli, Graham count?
Absolutely. Do you know his weight class?
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Old 11-14-17, 10:41 AM
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True Freshman please. The reason I am curious is because my son is a freshman and is wrestling 160lbs. He mentioned after practice that it is difficult going for 8th grade wrestling to now wrestling seniors during practice.
It made me think how impressive it would be if there was a freshman; who could beat juniors and seniors during those years of physical growth at any weight but especially impressive in the upper weights.
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Old 11-14-17, 11:37 AM
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I do not know for sure if these are true freshmen but McGee (Akron Coventry) 152/160 and I think Dean Taylor (Delta) won as a freshman or sophomore at 215 or heavyweight.
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Old 11-14-17, 11:46 AM
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I believe McGee was a 140 his freshman year
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Old 11-14-17, 11:56 AM
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Chris Phillips 171 from Monroeville
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Old 11-14-17, 11:58 AM
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i think i looked this up before and chris phillips is the heaviest freshman state champ ever winning at 171
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Old 11-14-17, 12:11 PM
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were any of those frosh champs NOT held back in elementary or MS?
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Old 11-14-17, 12:15 PM
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i think i looked this up before and chris phillips is the heaviest freshman state champ ever winning at 171
Thank you. Well done to Chris Phillips.
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Old 11-14-17, 12:34 PM
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were any of those frosh champs NOT held back in elementary or MS?
Pretty sure Phillips and Marinelli were never held back!
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Old 11-14-17, 12:37 PM
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were any of those frosh champs NOT held back in elementary or MS?
One of mine had to repeat Head start.
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Old 11-14-17, 01:06 PM
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Doogie Howser 175. Did it as a 7 year old. Jumped several grades due to his intelligence level. Then became a helluva doctor.


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Old 11-14-17, 01:07 PM
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But seriously, good luck to your son, mine started out at 138 and that was tough, he graduated at 17, and I definitely see your point.


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Old 11-14-17, 01:20 PM
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Phillips is the heaviest traditional matriculator to ever win at 171.
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Old 11-14-17, 01:37 PM
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Chris Phillips was unreal, came in as a freshman making MEN look like BOYS. I will forever be upset we never got to see him in college he could've been truly special.

Another one that comes to mind with this topic is Felipe Martinez. I believe he won his freshman title at 130, but what a weight that is for a freshman as well. Kid was a STUD.
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Old 11-14-17, 02:13 PM
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Bad = Chris Phillips
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Old 11-14-17, 03:09 PM
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Chris Phillips in his first or second high school tournament.
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Old 11-14-17, 03:28 PM
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Chris Phillips in his first or second high school tournament.
I heard rumors while I was in college from some guy in the know who said Phillips could go with Kilgore while he (Phillips) was still in HS.
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Old 11-14-17, 03:40 PM
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Chris Phillips in his first or second high school tournament.
Thank you. Wow, that is impressive!
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Old 11-14-17, 10:19 PM
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The other impressive thing about Phillips was that he stayed at that weight, one would expect a 171 lb freshman to eventually moved up a class or two over 4 years , but he won all 4 at 171
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Old 11-14-17, 11:10 PM
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Lagoa won this past season, 152 I believe
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Old 11-15-17, 01:51 AM
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Lagoa won this past season, 152 I believe
not a true freshman. 2015 jr. high state placer, 132 finalist.
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Old 11-15-17, 08:35 AM
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I'm maybe biased? But I think a senior 113 is just as seperated by maturity a freshman 113, as compared to the, say, 189 lbs. wt. class. I think it's a matter of reliance, as in the 189 will rely on strength as a 113 will rely on technique/speed. The speed is just as destructive at a young age as strength

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Old 11-15-17, 09:32 AM
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I'm maybe biased? But I think a senior 113 is just as seperated by maturity a freshman 113, as compared to the, say, 189 lbs. wt. class. I think it's a matter of reliance, as in the 189 will rely on strength as a 113 will rely on technique/speed. The speed is just as destructive at a young age as strength
But speed ("quickness" really) changes much less between age 15 and 18 than strength does. Athletes can easily double their strength in 4 years, they can't halve their speed. Most won't even improve their quickness by even 10%.

I think it has far more to do with body development. Larger bodies take longer to develop. That is why guys like Fickell or Vough are such rarities and why the upper weights are dominated by upper classman.
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