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eastside_purple · #**541** 02-12-18, 09:12 AM

14red wants the Cavs fan base to dwell on their effort prior to the trade versus their direction after it.

Taco MacArthur · #**542** 02-12-18, 09:25 AM

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Originally Posted by 14Red

It's incredible to me how Isaiah Thomas, coming back from hip surgery, played in only 15 games, and was suddenly a cancer on the team where everyone quit playing hard??
My first question to LeBron, JR, Tristen, Korver, Jeff Green after yesterday's game would have been..."Why were you playing so hard today? You haven't the last month?"

This is proof 14Red never played on a team past 5th grade.

cabezadecaballo · #**543** 02-12-18, 09:30 AM

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Originally Posted by Taco MacArthur

I think it was in the third quarter, LeBron and George Hill ran back to back to back pick and roll/pop plays and it worked each time. George Hill might have been the best picked up in the Cavs trade. His defense was stellar. He even forced Horford into a bad shot on the post and his shot came up short.

But did he shut Kyrie down ?

cabezadecaballo · #**544** 02-12-18, 09:34 AM

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He was on some pretty bad Celtics teams.

He was.

He was a really good 3, too. Great piece. Not the elite player he wanted to pretend he was, though.

eastside_purple · #**545** 02-12-18, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by cabezadecaballo

But did he shut Kyrie down ?

Did he? I didn’t watch.

clarkgriswold · #**546** 02-12-18, 10:14 AM

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Originally Posted by Taco MacArthur

He was on some pretty bad Celtics teams.

He sure was. His team averaged roughly 35 wins a season until Ainge brought in Garnett and Allen.

A comparison for Pierce- Pierce averaged 19-7 ppg, 5.6 rpg and 3.5 apg. Cavs 80s star Mike Mitchell averaged 19.8 ppg, 5.6 rpg and 1.3 apg. Nobody's throwing Mike Mitchell's jersey up in the rafters.

14Red · #**547** 02-12-18, 10:17 AM

That was a nice opening win by the "new" Cavs, but let's not get too excited yet. This team's been resting for a couple of weeks now, and playing good basketball wasn't out of the ordinary. The Cavs had alot more to play for yesterday than the Celtics. For the Celtics, this was like an exhibition game. They had no idea, no game plan for the Cavs, it was a very vanilla defense. It's like in baseball when the triple A pitcher makes his major league debut and shuts a team down in 6 innings. No one has a scouting report. Brad Stephens will take that game film, and the games ahead and begin to look at the tendencies of the new guys and their strengths and weaknesses.
And don't forget the ceiling of the old Cavs was still much higher than their current team. This team has major contributors who've either never, or played very few "playoff" type games.

Taco MacArthur · #**548** 02-12-18, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by clarkgriswold

He sure was. His team averaged roughly 35 wins a season until Ainge brought in Garnett and Allen.

A comparison for Pierce- Pierce averaged 19-7 ppg, 5.6 rpg and 3.5 apg. Cavs 80s star Mike Mitchell averaged 19.8 ppg, 5.6 rpg and 1.3 apg. Nobody's throwing Mike Mitchell's jersey up in the rafters.

Mitchell's career average defensive box plus minus was -2.4. For reference, Isaiah Thomas' career average for DBPM is -2.8. His best year on defense his 2nd year and his DBPM was -1.4. PP's worst year was a -1.1 and his career average is 0.5. So not a defensive stalwart, he wasn't a liability on defense.

I wouldn't have hung PP's jersey from the rafters if it were up to me though.

Taco MacArthur · #**549** 02-12-18, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by 14Red

That was a nice opening win by the "new" Cavs, but let's not get too excited yet. This team's been resting for a couple of weeks now, and playing good basketball wasn't out of the ordinary. The Cavs had alot more to play for yesterday than the Celtics. For the Celtics, this was like an exhibition game. They had no idea, no game plan for the Cavs, it was a very vanilla defense. It's like in baseball when the triple A pitcher makes his major league debut and shuts a team down in 6 innings. No one has a scouting report. Brad Stephens will take that game film, and the games ahead and begin to look at the tendencies of the new guys and their strengths and weaknesses.
And don't forget the ceiling of the old Cavs was still much higher than their current team. This team has major contributors who've either never, or played very few "playoff" type games.

you dolt.

clarkgriswold · #**550** 02-12-18, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by 14Red

That was a nice opening win by the "new" Cavs, but let's not get too excited yet. This team's been resting for a couple of weeks now, and playing good basketball wasn't out of the ordinary. The Cavs had alot more to play for yesterday than the Celtics. For the Celtics, this was like an exhibition game. They had no idea, no game plan for the Cavs, it was a very vanilla defense. It's like in baseball when the triple A pitcher makes his major league debut and shuts a team down in 6 innings. No one has a scouting report. Brad Stephens will take that game film, and the games ahead and begin to look at the tendencies of the new guys and their strengths and weaknesses.
And don't forget the ceiling of the old Cavs was still much higher than their current team. This team has major contributors who've either never, or played very few "playoff" type games.

Weren't the Cavs in a similar or worse position given that they had never played and barely practiced together?????? They could only run the most basic stuff on offense and defense. Also, team defense is based on principles that apply across the board, regardless of the opponent. Certainly, there are wrinkles in each game (i.e. how to handle the pick and roll, whether to front the post, etc.) but defense is defense.

I also have a tough time believing the Celts showed up at the Garden seeing this as an exhibition.

arizonawildcat · #**551** 02-12-18, 11:57 AM

Especially when it was a maor celebration day in honor of Pierce. If anything, I would have thought that the Celtics would have been motivated to put on a strong effort for their fans.

cabezadecaballo · #**552** 02-12-18, 12:12 PM

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you dolt.

He's approaching "The Dolt" status

eastside_purple · #**553** 02-12-18, 12:14 PM

Exhibition.

cabezadecaballo · #**554** 02-12-18, 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by arizonawildcat

Especially when it was a maor celebration day in honor of Pierce. If anything, I would have thought that the Celtics would have been motivated to put on a strong effort for their fans.

You just know that LeBron had to enjoy taking a giant stinking dump on Paul Pierce Day.

wolves82 · #**555** 02-12-18, 12:19 PM

I promise you that I come to Yappi to read other opinions and make my own comments, but them I get distracted by nonsense and it usually ends up as an attack on 14red. But he has company this time.

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Originally Posted by 14Red

It's incredible to me how Isaiah Thomas, coming back from hip surgery, played in only 15 games, and was suddenly a cancer on the team where everyone quit playing hard??
My first question to LeBron, JR, Tristen, Korver, Jeff Green after yesterday's game would have been..."Why were you playing so hard today? You haven't the last month?"

Clearly you have zero understanding of team sports dynamics. Bad relationships = poor chemistry = no enthusiasm = poor, lifeless play. It was so evident in their play. IT had a sole focus, his expiring contract, and his next contract. It was all about him.

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Originally Posted by 14Red

That was a nice opening win by the "new" Cavs, but let's not get too excited yet. This team's been resting for a couple of weeks now, and playing good basketball wasn't out of the ordinary. The Cavs had alot more to play for yesterday than the Celtics. For the Celtics, this was like an exhibition game. They had no idea, no game plan for the Cavs, it was a very vanilla defense. It's like in baseball when the triple A pitcher makes his major league debut and shuts a team down in 6 innings. No one has a scouting report. Brad Stephens will take that game film, and the games ahead and begin to look at the tendencies of the new guys and their strengths and weaknesses.

LOL. One look at the faces on the Celtic bench at the end of the game tells you they cared deeply, and they learned yesterday they have no chance at the making the finals this year unless LBJ gets hurt. Message delivered.

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Originally Posted by 14Red

And don't forget the ceiling of the old Cavs was still much higher than their current team. This team has major contributors who've either never, or played very few "playoff" type games.

LOL. the "old Cavs" were old and could not defend. DWade, IT, Frye. The "new Cavs" are long, athletic and young. Not even close as to which team is better.

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But did he shut Kyrie down ?

No one in the league can shut down Kyrie. The purpose of the trade was not to shut down Kyrie. What is your point?

cabezadecaballo · #**556** 02-12-18, 12:23 PM

It was a joke. A poke at e_p and a past strawman argument he twisted up.

He took the bait and I ignored him.

eastside_purple · #**557** 02-12-18, 12:27 PM

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Originally Posted by wolves82

No one in the league can shut down Kyrie. The purpose of the trade was not to shut down Kyrie. What is your point?

He’s not known as weirdo on here for nothing.

Michael Bluth · #**558** 02-12-18, 12:39 PM

"Yesterday was like an exhibition for the Celtics"

14Red never disappoints. That is an all-timer, even for him

WinstonSmith · #**559** 02-12-18, 12:44 PM

This is honestly the first time I may think he's just trolling. There are plenty of legitimate/potential reasons the Celtics lost, but them seeing it as an exhibition game is not even in the realm of possibility.

14Red · #**560** 02-12-18, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by clarkgriswold

Weren't the Cavs in a similar or worse position given that they had never played and barely practiced together?????? They could only run the most basic stuff on offense and defense. Also, team defense is based on principles that apply across the board, regardless of the opponent. Certainly, there are wrinkles in each game (i.e. how to handle the pick and roll, whether to front the post, etc.) but defense is defense.

I also have a tough time believing the Celts showed up at the Garden seeing this as an exhibition.

It was a freelance game and the Celtics had no idea what the Cavs would do. Also, if the Cavs shoot 53% from the field in every game the rest of the way, they go ahead and give them the title. It's not going to happen. They had a great shooting night when everyone was focused and on their game. It happens in the NBA all the time.

y2h · #**561** 02-12-18, 01:50 PM

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Originally Posted by wolves82

I promise you that I come to Yappi to read other opinions and make my own comments, but them I get distracted by nonsense and it usually ends up as an attack on 14red. But he has company this time.

Clearly you have zero understanding of team sports dynamics. Bad relationships = poor chemistry = no enthusiasm = poor, lifeless play. It was so evident in their play. IT had a sole focus, his expiring contract, and his next contract. It was all about him.

LOL. One look at the faces on the Celtic bench at the end of the game tells you they cared deeply, and they learned yesterday they have no chance at the making the finals this year unless LBJ gets hurt. Message delivered.

LOL. the "old Cavs" were old and could not defend. DWade, IT, Frye. The "new Cavs" are long, athletic and young. Not even close as to which team is better.

No one in the league can shut down Kyrie. The purpose of the trade was not to shut down Kyrie. What is your point?

Watching Kyrie pouting on the bench in the 4th as his team got bent over was pretty funny.

You could almost see the thought in his head of WTF was I thinking?

y2h · #**562** 02-12-18, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by 14Red

It was a freelance game and the Celtics had no idea what the Cavs would do. Also, if the Cavs shoot 53% from the field in every game the rest of the way, they go ahead and give them the title. It's not going to happen. They had a great shooting night when everyone was focused and on their game. It happens in the NBA all the time.

So there is no video on the new Cavs? They haven't scouted these guys before?

14Red · #**563** 02-12-18, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by eastside_purple

He’s not known as weirdo on here for nothing.

Yea EP and you are normal??

clarkgriswold · #**564** 02-12-18, 01:56 PM

I heard Bob Huggins once say that college basketball is 20 seconds of running your offense that never works because the other team has scouted you, followed by a pick and roll. That's now the NBA, with the exception of the Warriors. Defending it doesn't involve team specific planning.

Taco MacArthur · #**565** 02-12-18, 02:19 PM

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Originally Posted by 14Red

It was a freelance game and the Celtics had no idea what the Cavs would do. Also, if the Cavs shoot 53% from the field in every game the rest of the way, they go ahead and give them the title. It's not going to happen. They had a great shooting night when everyone was focused and on their game. It happens in the NBA all the time.

It's a LeBron James centered team. Nothing changes, you dolt.