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Old 02-12-18, 05:24 PM
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I'd agree with that, ronnie.
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Old 02-12-18, 05:29 PM
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With clearly inferior talent while he was at Butler. All 3 coaches are very good, so that can be debated. Not sure either Mack or Cronin have the Buckeyes where Holtmann does this year though, if they were in his position.


That “inferior” talent won 23,25 and 25 games. He had jones and kellen Dunham and some other very talented players there.


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Old 02-12-18, 05:32 PM
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I have already stayed my opinions on how highly i regard Holtmann. As of this point Mack has definitely accomplished the most but I foresee Holtmann surpassing him in accolades at some point.

That's not a criticism of Mack either, I think he is a GREAT coach.
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Old 02-12-18, 06:05 PM
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Yeah it's pretty obvious with what Holtmann is doing this year that great things are coming for OSU basketball.
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Old 02-12-18, 06:20 PM
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Not sure I agree that Butler has had clearly inferior talent over the past several years. In any event, all 3 are pretty damn good.
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Old 02-12-18, 06:25 PM
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Butler was never a scrub program, but their talent was not on par with XU. I've never heard of he players redskin mentioned.
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Old 02-12-18, 06:25 PM
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I have already stayed my opinions on how highly i regard Holtmann. As of this point Mack has definitely accomplished the most but I foresee Holtmann surpassing him in accolades at some point.

That's not a criticism of Mack either, I think he is a GREAT coach.
I tend to agree with this.
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Old 02-12-18, 06:48 PM
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Butler was never a scrub program, but their talent was not on par with XU. I've never heard of he players redskin mentioned.
Both Dunham and Martin were ESPN top 100 recruits. Dunham already makes a nice living overseas playing; Martin will likely join him. The talent wasn’t on par, but it wasn’t significantly behind Xavier. And that’s not to diminish Holtmann’s coaching ability. He’s a very good one.
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Old 02-13-18, 10:58 AM
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Both Dunham and Martin were ESPN top 100 recruits. Dunham already makes a nice living overseas playing; Martin will likely join him. The talent wasn’t on par, but it wasn’t significantly behind Xavier. And that’s not to diminish Holtmann’s coaching ability. He’s a very good one.
I would even say Kelan Martin has an outside shot at getting drafted. He's like a Draymond Green with better shooting/athleticism and without the defense.
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Old 02-13-18, 11:42 AM
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Question for you all. First I think Holtmann is a good coach, just not as good as Mack. Here is my question, is Osu's turn around really due to Holtmann, or more so to Matta leaving? I will admit, I never liked Matta, even when he was at Xavier. But he could recruit. But the he left a talent roster, 6- 4 star guys and 3- 3 star guys.
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Old 02-13-18, 01:34 PM
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It's a combination, no doubt. We have talked on the OSU thread about how OSU will likely regress next year in Holtmann's 2nd season because KBD will have left for the NBA in all likelihood.

With that said, Thad would have this team maybe 5 games above .500 with the energy he was bringing to the program the past couple of years.
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Old 02-13-18, 07:45 PM
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Question for you all. First I think Holtmann is a good coach, just not as good as Mack. Here is my question, is Osu's turn around really due to Holtmann, or more so to Matta leaving? I will admit, I never liked Matta, even when he was at Xavier. But he could recruit. But the he left a talent roster, 6- 4 star guys and 3- 3 star guys.
I have no doubt that most of OSU's decline the last several years was due to Matta's back problems. Matta took OSU to 2 Final 4's and a National Championship game while coaching at a football school, plus while at X took the muskies to the Elite Eight in his 3rd and final season at Xavier.
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Old 02-14-18, 11:08 AM
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Anyone want to start a petition to force Ohio State, UC, and XU to play each other every year? We could include Dayton in that too
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Old 02-14-18, 11:14 AM
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Do it Bluth. I'll sign it.
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Old 02-14-18, 11:31 AM
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Anyone want to start a petition to force Ohio State, UC, and XU to play each other every year? We could include Dayton in that too
there have been preliminary discussions about doing some kind of round robin type thing where each one of those 4 played the other (minus UC and X who will always play each other)

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Old 02-14-18, 11:49 AM
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Anyone want to start a petition to force Ohio State, UC, and XU to play each other every year? We could include Dayton in that too
No forced noncom games. And no need to include dayton
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No forced noncom games. And no need to include dayton
Why no Dayton?
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Old 02-18-18, 03:30 PM
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What would Dayton add?


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Old 02-18-18, 04:52 PM
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Why no Dayton?
Because he's a Xavier fan. XU wants nothing to do with UD now that they're not in the same conference similar to the way Louisville and West Virginia want nothing to do with UC.
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Old 02-18-18, 08:26 PM
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Rough weekend for Ohio basketball teams.
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Old 02-23-18, 08:12 AM
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Are any Ohio teams on the black list of the fifty programs?
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Old 02-23-18, 08:14 AM
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Old 02-23-18, 06:00 PM
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