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Old 06-15-18, 08:50 AM
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Yes

There's no reason to separate small children from their families and hold them in prisons for 22 hours a day. It's happening on a much larger scale due to the "zero tolerance" policy that is being implemented and the changes in the way crossing the border illegally is being prosecuted Thousands of children are being kept in cages, forced to live prison-style, sleep on floors, etc. And now they want to build tent cities to house these kids.
Are you this upset with the government when a set of parents commit a crime and get put in jail?

I mean we are separating the children from their parents and typically the kids have to go to state ran orphanages (like a prison) until a foster family can be found.

So, when both parents of a family of citizens get arrested are you this upset with the government? Or, are you just selectively outraged when someone from another country comes to ours, does something illegal, and gets arrested separating them from their children?

The only difference in the two scenarios is you are outraged over the non-citizen situation and not the citizen situation. In both cases the parents do something illegal, get arrested, and separated from their kids.
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Old 06-15-18, 12:09 PM
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Where do you read or hear this crap? Show me where Trump said this? Sources are needed for statements like that.
I beg to differ. happy and harry do not need sources or facts for their statements. They just make the statements.
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Old 06-15-18, 01:08 PM
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They're **cking children being held in what is essentially a prison. What is wrong with you?
Why is bad parenting my responsibility.
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Old 06-15-18, 10:25 PM
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Donald J Trump has said that 'Many parents of Gold star soldiers who died in the Korean war have asked the great man to try to bring back their remains to the United States .


Trump said he will try to do what he can do. The incredible part of this very truthful story coming from Trump is that the " MANY " parents who Trump has said have spoken to him pleading with him would basically have to be over 100 years old.


Yet another thing Trump is responsible for , THE LONGER LIFE SPAN OF CITIZENS.
Or could it possibly be he was lying for the first time in his life to make himself look better?
Likely mispoke. I'm sure he wishes he could be perfect like Obama was.
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Old 06-16-18, 06:27 AM
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I'm not so sure the president misspoke. The next day I saw a report that said he had checked with families in all 57 states before he made that statement.
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Old 06-17-18, 07:24 AM
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I thought I'd throw a couple of things out there before I head out for the day:

A lot of folks go on and on about Trump lying. But with Trump when does the loud mouthed boasting end and the lies begin? And Trump's lies seem to fall more under the category of what a guy says to his wife when asked about that new haircut.

But if you want deep lies told to us by a liar who knows he won't be found out well our last POTUS would qualify as a great example:

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/c...617-story.html

Obama told his silky lie when his chosen successor was Hillary Clinton.

Clinton had endangered top secret information by using an unsecured, home-brew email server when she was U.S. secretary of state. Any other American who dared risk top government secrets on a basement server would have faced federal prosecution and prison.

Obama’s lie was told in 2015, when Obama was asked by CBS’ Bill Plante when he learned Mrs. Clinton had used an unsecured email server.

“The same time everybody else learned it, through news reports,” Obama said. He was so silky that you couldn’t even hear his tongue rustling along his teeth.


But of course we now know for a FACT from the IG report that Obama knowingly communicated with Hillary using her private email & home server set-up.

And this nicely sums things up:

But Trump’s lies are obvious and blustery, like those told by a bad carny hustler.

Trump is no Obama.

Obama was the silky one.

And the silky ones prosper, in Washington, and as they did for a time, at Versailles.
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Old 06-17-18, 07:31 AM
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And here's a great description of the Deep State:

https://pjmedia.com/trending/the-dee...-a-conspiracy/

Every month on the 13th -- and on special occasions, like November 7, June 14, January 30, and May 1 -- they meet in a secret chamber under the Kalorama mansion of the Chairman. They don their white robes, with pride rainbow inclusive accents. Precisely at 7:00 p.m. -- it used to be midnight, but they can't depend on Hillary being functionally sober after 8:00 p.m. -- they sing the Internationale before sitting at the long zebrawood table. The Chairman stands, his hood thrown back, posing neatly framed, haloed by the All-Seeing Eye and the golden nimbus around it, and calls the meeting of the Deep State to order.

Or at least that's the way some on the far-Right seem to imagine the Deep State.


Okay, fair enough and I suspect there are a few folks on the "far right" who take this view but my experience is that most on the right view the Deep State more along these lines:

But this is a fallacy. There are plenty of systems we look at every day that have no boss: there is no tree sprite telling each tree how to grow, no homunculus in our head tripping switches and turning knobs with wild abandon trying to keep our bodies working. Instead, there are complicated feedbacks that respond to changing conditions more or less automatically. Blood pressure regulation, body weight, blood glucose concentration, sexual arousal, all happen through stimulus and response, impulse and regulatory counter-impulse.

One fascinating example is the body's response to wounds. You cut yourself, and platelets flow to the wound site with the blood flow, rupture, and cause clotting and then scabbing. They're followed quickly by white blood cells that excrete other chemicals that cause the wound to close and then heal. But there is no "manager" orchestrating this -- it's just chemical responses.


Bingo! And here's how it works:

But that's beside the point. From the point of view of the Administrative State, which survives on a diet of fresh government programs and mutual backscratching, Trump's unexpected election was like a wound. It was a danger to the organism, and the organism responded using its immune system -- which is composed of "incompetence, idiocy, bureaucratic self-aggrandizement, and partisan hackery." The organism responded, and individuals in the Administrative State saw it as their duty to #Resist. While there may have been conspiracies going on, there needn't be a grand conspiracy at all -- just a bunch of individuals rushing to defend their political power, their rice bowls, their phony baloney jobs.


And yes the real Deep State is scary, very scary:

Which is a lot more scary than some single conspiracy. A conspiracy can be rooted out, the conspirators removed from office, shamed, even jailed. But the real Deep State is the way the Administrative State responds to what it sees as a threat, with no central conspiracy in control. And I don't know how we can root that out.
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Old 06-17-18, 07:34 AM
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Lotr10 - You are missing the point they are not investigating Obama, they are investigating Trump. So all the things and crimes committed under Obama do not matter only what Trump might have might have done is important. Obama and Hillary are gone, so what difference does it make now?
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Old 06-17-18, 08:15 AM
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The deep state seems to be a a ever evolving and sadly somewhat natural state of bureaucracy. It's core revolves around self protection and need for more control and money.

The uninformed will point to the text between two lovers and say, you call that the deep state LOL" In reality the deep state permeates most of the top officials and agencies within our government. They all have their own special interest with self preservation the #1 priority. They often work together to protect one another as to expose one faction begins a dangerous path of possible exposure.
They often will use blackmail techniques and threats to promote and expand their power structure.

We all have witnessed this nasty side of human behavior to some degree either at work or in our community, what we have as a nation is the vastly more corrupt scaled up version.

You could imagine Trump as a new superintendent at a failing inner city school. He comes in and they try to tell him how it is gonna be, but he says screw you! we are changing things for the people of the community. You will have principals against him, school board, teachers, union some parents , students, city officials... all conspire and work together to destroy the threat to their own way and the uncovering their past misdeeds.
Trump needs to fire many to make the necessary changes to help the community.
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Old 06-17-18, 09:56 AM
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reality v fantasy(GRocks world)

Trump's modern Republican Party depends, in large part, on magical religion thinking described as extreme and extravagant in America. It is particularly virulent through the twisting of selected christian writings to justify perverse political ends like ripping babies from their mothers. Paradoxically, the message is both propagated and cordoned by modern communication. The package is tightly bound by good old American individualism and a distrust for edumacation.

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Old 06-17-18, 10:28 AM
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reality v fantasy(GRocks world)

Trump's modern Republican Party depends, in large part, on magical religion thinking described as extreme and extravagant in America. It is particularly virulent through the twisting of selected christian writings to justify perverse political ends like ripping babies from their mothers. Paradoxically, the message is both propagated and cordoned by modern communication. The package is tightly bound by good old American individualism and a distrust for edumacation.

That is a amazing piece of propaganda, beautifully done with spooky music witch trial comparisons and so much more. The fact you would use this to try to convince anyone shows the level of media control you are under. I was laughing when I realized you have no idea what you just posted.
Learn real history, use common sense... and you will begin to spot propaganda better.

The one thing they do get right is that religion is often used to control..it is usually a manipulative bureaucracy like any other.
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Old 06-17-18, 12:07 PM
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Phil Heimlich - on why he is voting Democrat...

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/opi...ear/701476002/

Trump also has showed little respect for democratic values. He’s talked about toughening libel laws, putting reporters in jail, and labeled the free press the “enemy of the people” (a term introduced by Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin for the purpose of annihilating those who disagreed with him). The president has asked the Justice Department to prosecute his political opponents and interfered in the Russia probe conducted by Special Prosecutor Robert Mueller. Finally, despite warnings from his intelligence chiefs that the 2018 mid-term elections are being targeted by Russian influence operations, Trump refuses to take any steps to stop the attack
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Old 06-17-18, 12:57 PM
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Phil Heimlich - on why he is voting Democrat...

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/opi...ear/701476002/

Trump also has showed little respect for democratic values. He’s talked about toughening libel laws, putting reporters in jail, and labeled the free press the “enemy of the people” (a term introduced by Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin for the purpose of annihilating those who disagreed with him). The president has asked the Justice Department to prosecute his political opponents and interfered in the Russia probe conducted by Special Prosecutor Robert Mueller. Finally, despite warnings from his intelligence chiefs that the 2018 mid-term elections are being targeted by Russian influence operations, Trump refuses to take any steps to stop the attack
Pretty sure you weren’t considering voting for Trump anyway
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Old 06-17-18, 01:09 PM
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Phil Heimlich - on why he is voting Democrat...

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/opi...ear/701476002/

Trump also has showed little respect for democratic values. He’s talked about toughening libel laws, putting reporters in jail, and labeled the free press the “enemy of the people” (a term introduced by Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin for the purpose of annihilating those who disagreed with him). The president has asked the Justice Department to prosecute his political opponents and interfered in the Russia probe conducted by Special Prosecutor Robert Mueller. Finally, despite warnings from his intelligence chiefs that the 2018 mid-term elections are being targeted by Russian influence operations, Trump refuses to take any steps to stop the attack
Well since Obama has the worst record on such things I doubt Trump could ever keep up...but if he does half as bad as Obama he would loose much support.
The pay/ bribe/ sex thing for info from our intelligence agencies (laid out in the IG report) does need to stop. Maybe he should start by arresting that bunch of criminals.

The leak chart.
https://thefederalist.com/2018/06/14...idely-ignored/
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Old 06-17-18, 01:49 PM
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Phil Heimlich - on why he is voting Democrat...

https://www.cincinnati.com/story/opi...ear/701476002/

Trump also has showed little respect for democratic values. He’s talked about toughening libel laws, putting reporters in jail, and labeled the free press the “enemy of the people” (a term introduced by Soviet dictator Joseph Stalin for the purpose of annihilating those who disagreed with him). The president has asked the Justice Department to prosecute his political opponents and interfered in the Russia probe conducted by Special Prosecutor Robert Mueller. Finally, despite warnings from his intelligence chiefs that the 2018 mid-term elections are being targeted by Russian influence operations, Trump refuses to take any steps to stop the attack
Who is Phil heimlich and why should I care what he says?

But seriously....you libs running with the whole dictator thing until 2020? Lol. That's a wonderful strategy! Keep it up losers.
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Old 06-17-18, 02:21 PM
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Who is Phil heimlich and why should I care what he says?

But seriously....you libs running with the whole dictator thing until 2020? Lol. That's a wonderful strategy! Keep it up losers.
Interesting how they never talk about anything that really matters to voters. They sooooo know they are in trouble
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Old 06-17-18, 02:36 PM
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If only there was a simple way to cut off the majority of the cartel's income flow...
Put little ronnie in jail and it would cut it half, easily fixed
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Old 06-18-18, 11:47 AM
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Trump is obviously OK with the border methods of taking even babies from their parents . I guess you think it's OK? Let me guess , these people are committing crimes and orchestrating their own situations and well this is what strong borders looks like? thought so
See even you get it...it's not a hard concept.

BTW where do people think these parents are? It ain't the Holiday Inn.

I'd be fine with turning them around at the border but the left would demonize that as well.
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Old 06-18-18, 12:07 PM
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Interesting how they never talk about anything that really matters to voters. They sooooo know they are in trouble
Or anything that is actually true. It's all about using exaggerated language to get an emotional vote out of someone.
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Old 06-18-18, 01:10 PM
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…... It is particularly virulent through the twisting of selected christian writings to justify perverse political ends like ripping babies from their mothers. …….
The government takes babies away from every criminal parent that gets arrested and incarcerated. Why should illegals be different?
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Old 06-18-18, 08:47 PM
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It is particularly virulent through the twisting of selected christian writings to justify perverse political ends like ripping babies from their mothers.

I thought Christians were against abortion.
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Old 06-18-18, 09:26 PM
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Politico: While Kelly himself once believed he stood between Trump and chaos, he has told at least one person close to him that he may as well let the president do what he wants, even if it leads to impeachment – at least this chapter of American history would come to a close.
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Old 06-19-18, 12:00 AM
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Politico: While Kelly himself once believed he stood between Trump and chaos, he has told at least one person close to him that he may as well let the president do what he wants, even if it leads to impeachment – at least this chapter of American history would come to a close.
Sure he did.
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Old 06-19-18, 03:15 AM
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Hey, be nice. If happygoloco said it, it must be true.
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Old 06-19-18, 07:40 AM
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Has anyone heard from GROCK this morning?


"An armed man blocked a highway near the Hoover Dam with an armored truck yesterday and demanded the release of the Justice Department's 'real internal report' on the Hillary Clinton email probe, which had already been released"
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Old 06-19-18, 08:24 AM
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Just maybe the man stated what he wants wrong. He might not want the real internal report but a report that tells the truth. Just because it is real does not make it truthful.
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Old 06-20-18, 07:16 AM
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Some odds & ends to throw out there:

Remember how the tax cut would blow up the deficit because it didn't address entitlements?

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/19/b...lications.html

The number of Americans seeking Social Security disability benefits is plunging, a startling reversal of a decades-old trend that threatened the program’s solvency. It is the latest evidence of a stronger economy pulling people back into the job market or preventing workers from being sidelined in the first place.

So the tax cut boosts the economy; this convinces some folks NOT to go on SS disability; the net result is we spend less money on this particular program! Funny how complex systems behave like this.
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Old 06-20-18, 07:19 AM
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Here's another odds & end:

https://jec.enews.senate.gov/mail/ut...1915.177&gen=1

In spite of Trump's tariff tirades on Twitter US exports have climbed to RECORD levels. In fact check out the graph in the article - exports have been strongly growing since the day Trump took office. But the experts said that all this tariff stuff would kill our exports and wreck the global economy?
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Old 06-20-18, 01:58 PM
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Why many Americans aren’t benefiting from robust US economy. Millionaires are doing quite well. Middle Class and lower income pretty much the same. The economic gains are almost all going to the owner class. Jeff Bezo's making $3B in a week.

My 401K worse last quarter than the 8 -10 prior.

https://www.mysanantonio.com/busines...m-13010726.php
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Old 06-20-18, 02:05 PM
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Some odds & ends to throw out there:

Remember how the tax cut would blow up the deficit because it didn't address entitlements?

https://www.nytimes.com/2018/06/19/b...lications.html

The number of Americans seeking Social Security disability benefits is plunging, a startling reversal of a decades-old trend that threatened the program’s solvency. It is the latest evidence of a stronger economy pulling people back into the job market or preventing workers from being sidelined in the first place.

So the tax cut boosts the economy; this convinces some folks NOT to go on SS disability; the net result is we spend less money on this particular program! Funny how complex systems behave like this.


and two paragraphs later:


In addition to stronger economic growth, the drop reflects newly tightened standards for eligibility and the increasing number of baby boomers who are leaving the program because they have become eligible for Social Security retirement benefits and Medicare.
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